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Chalagurl 12-14-2012 12:29 PM

Going from LC/JUDDD to higher carb JUDDD???
 
Those of you who did LC or LC/JUDDD, and then added carbs back in while still doing JUDDD, how much weight did you gain at first? How long did it take for it to even back out and start losing again?

I'm curious about eating normally again while still doing awesome JUDDD!!! :laugh:

KeirasMom 12-14-2012 12:31 PM

I lost around 13 pounds in 6 weeks on Atkins. I took a weekend off between Atkins and JUDDD and gained right around 3 pounds. I used that as my JUDDD start weight, so I'm not sure if that'll help you since I didn't do them concurrently.

Chalagurl 12-14-2012 12:37 PM

That could give me an idea...did you start losing immediately with JUDDD after your weekend off?

KeirasMom 12-14-2012 12:42 PM

Yep, I lost 5 pounds the first week, then it slowed down, so I know some of that was water, but at least 2 pounds was fat. That being said, I don't appear to have any problems with carbs in general, and some people do, so I may be a bit of an anomaly.

That weekend was particularly high carb as well, since it was my daughter's birthday party and we had cupcakes and pizza. :yummy:

Chalagurl 12-14-2012 12:49 PM

I have lost weight succesfully with both low carb and Weight Watchers, so I think my body doesn't have too much trouble handling carbs. The main reason I like low carb more is because I like savory flavors more than sweet.

How did it take for you to get to your current weight from your JUDDD starting weight?

Chalagurl 12-14-2012 12:50 PM

long*

mom23kids 12-14-2012 12:57 PM

I ate lc for one month before starting JUDDD. I started with the intention of doing lc and JUDDD together but after a couple weeks decided to add carbs again. I just checked my weight loss from around that time and it looks like I gained back 1.5lbs after I stopped counting carbs, but lost it and then kept losing on top of that in about a week. So a very minimal impact when I added them back in :) Since then (November 19ish), I've lost the 1.5 gain and another 6lbs.

Now, I eat carbs on a regular basis but I do stay away from things that I know are triggers for me-pasta and bagels especially. I actually tried a bagel last weekend and I seriously bloated up so much I could hardly button my jeans :p But, eating four cookies on an UD have no ill effects on me :laugh:

KeirasMom 12-14-2012 01:03 PM

Yesterday was one year on JUDDD and -97 pounds. :D

Chalagurl 12-14-2012 01:06 PM

Wow that is really impressive Dawn! I haven't decided when I want to add carbs back in, but I know at some point I want to. So it is nice to see great, consistent results like that!

Chalagurl 12-14-2012 01:08 PM

Thank you Sara, that helps :)
Funny how cookies aren't a trigger for you, but pasta and bagels are. Everybody is different. Cookies are a trigger for me, but bagels are just blah, lol

Rayne_W 12-14-2012 01:33 PM

I almost didn't post because my losses have been less than stellar.

That is, until I combined my daily stats since Nov. 1st:

11/1: 239.8
11/2: 238.6
11/3: 239.4
11/4: 238.6
11/5: 241.0
11/6: 239.0
11/7: 238.8
11/8: 240.0
11/9: 239.4
11/10: 241.6
11/11: 240.2
11/12: 241.0
11/13: 241.0
11/14: 239.4 Movement!
11/15: 239.4 TOM arrives
11/16: 239.0
11/17: 239.4 ::lip quivering::
11/18: 240.8 UD

LOSS ON ATKINS 11/1 - 11/18: ZERO. 1# GAIN :annoyed:

11/19: 241.0 DD #1. DH and I started JUDDD yesterday (UD)
11/20: 238.8
11/21: 239.8
11/22: 238.2 Thanksgiving (UUAD)
11/23: 241.0
11/24: 238.4
11/25: 239.2
11/26: 237.6
11/27: 239.4
11/28: 238.6
11/29: 239.2
11/30: 237.4
NOVEMBER LOSS: 2.4
LOSS ON JUDDD 11/19 - 11/30: 3.6#
 
12/1: 237.4 DD Yesterday's UD dinner didn't sit well or stay long. ugh.
12/2: 237.0 UD
12/3: 238.4 DD
12/4: 238.4 UD Didn't drink enough water yesterday
12/5: 238.4 DD (UD yesterday, which I mistook for All-You-Can-Eat-Falafel-Fest-2012, saved by last-minute water flush)
12/6: 236.6 UD
12/7: 238.2 DD
12/8: 238.2 UD (make that an emotional UUAD with macadamia nut pig-out)
12/9: 239.4 UD TOM -- surprise!
12/10: 239.4 TOM (SPUDDD #1)
12/11: 239.4 TOM (SPUDDD #2 [1/2 day]) >>UD
12/12: 238.6 TOM DD
12/13: 237.2 TOM UD
12/14: 236.4 DD

I think I'll know more for December once I get further away from my recent TOM...but I'm losing, not gaining, with carbs added back in.

I'm actually still doing LC, just every other day. :)

mom23kids 12-14-2012 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayne_W (Post 16136780)
I almost didn't post because my losses have been less than stellar.

That is, until I combined my daily stats since Nov. 1st:

11/1: 239.8
11/2: 238.6
11/3: 239.4
11/4: 238.6
11/5: 241.0
11/6: 239.0
11/7: 238.8
11/8: 240.0
11/9: 239.4
11/10: 241.6
11/11: 240.2
11/12: 241.0
11/13: 241.0
11/14: 239.4 Movement!
11/15: 239.4 TOM arrives
11/16: 239.0
11/17: 239.4 ::lip quivering::
11/18: 240.8

LOSS ON ATKINS 11/1 - 11/18: ZERO. 1# GAIN :annoyed:

11/19: 241.0 DH and I started JUDDD yesterday (UD)
11/20: 238.8
11/21: 239.8
11/22: 238.2 Thanksgiving (UUAD)
11/23: 241.0
11/24: 238.4
11/25: 239.2
11/26: 237.6
11/27: 239.4
11/28: 238.6
11/29: 239.2
11/30: 237.4
NOVEMBER LOSS: 2.4
LOSS ON JUDDD 11/19 - 11/30: 3.6#
 
12/1: 237.4 DD Yesterday's UD dinner didn't sit well or stay long. ugh.
12/2: 237.0 UD
12/3: 238.4 DD
12/4: 238.4 UD Didn't drink enough water yesterday
12/5: 238.4 DD (UD yesterday, which I mistook for All-You-Can-Eat-Falafel-Fest-2012, saved by last-minute water flush)
12/6: 236.6 UD
12/7: 238.2 DD
12/8: 238.2 UD (make that an emotional UUAD with macadamia nut pig-out)
12/9: 239.4 UD TOM -- surprise!
12/10: 239.4 TOM (SPUDDD #1)
12/11: 239.4 TOM (SPUDDD #2 [1/2 day]) >>UD
12/12: 238.6 TOM DD
12/13: 237.2 TOM UD
12/14: 236.4 DD

I think I'll know more for December once I get further away from my recent TOM...but I'm losing, not gaining, with carbs added back in.

I'm actually still doing LC, just every other day. :)

That's a good point-DDs are usually pretty low carb by default. So most of us are still doing a form of low carb eating, even if it's not intentional :D

deedee 12-14-2012 01:42 PM

I'm interested to hear others experiences on this, since that's what I'm trying to do.

I have been adding carbs back in since day 1 of JUDDD so I have no idea how different my loss would be if I was still vlc. But so far I've lost 7 pounds in 2 and 1/2 weeks. I was already 50 pounds into my weight loss overall so I wasn't expecting huge numbers.

deedee 12-14-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

I almost didn't post because my losses have been less than stellar.
Slow and steady is the way to go though! Are you going high-carb on your UD's? Or just not very low carb?

Rayne_W 12-14-2012 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deedee (Post 16136794)
Slow and steady is the way to go though! Are you going high-carb on your UD's? Or just not very low carb?

I honestly pay little attention to carbs on UDs or DDs. I was petrified at first (my first UD included rice, which I hadn't eaten in over 6 wks), but I now only pay attention to calories...and I'm striving to be more careful on each day.

My carb range, per ******, has been from 12 to over 300, but that high number is not typical. Most UDs are around 100 carbs.

ETA: Looks like my lowest carb day was Nov 15th at 10.8 carbs. I only lost 0.4 by the next day. It was becoming clear to me, by the time I started JUDDD, that low carb was not a miracle weight loss strategy for me...by itself.

Chalagurl 12-14-2012 02:06 PM

I hate my body above 200 lbs, so i find myself extremely impatient and wanting to lose weight really, really fast until I get below 200, then I don't mind losing slowly. So just to be safe, I might try to stick with low carb until I am below 200, then I will add carbs back in!

Librarygirl 12-14-2012 04:47 PM

I did low calorie on my own from about June-August and lost 4 lbs. (and gained one back). Obviously, I wasn't consistent, lol. I joined LCF Sept. 13 and did LC for exactly 2 months before I started JUDDD. During that 2 months LCing I lost 6 lbs. In 1 month on JUDDD with no carb restrictions, I've lost 5 lbs. So far, doing better on JUDDD though not losing nearly as quickly as some. :)

gotsomeold 12-15-2012 02:33 AM

The rule of thumb for former LCers who chose to add carbs back immediately when they start JUDDDing: the more volume and the more different kinds of carbs, the higher the bounce. Six to eight pounds after that first carb-frenzy UD is not unheard of.

The important things to remember are:
1) That bounce is water. It goes away. It is absolutely not possible to gain eight pounds of fat in a day.
2) Adding carbs in smaller portions usually means lower bounces.
3) If you can't stand to see the bounces, weigh weekly or monthly.
4) Always have an alternate way to check how things are going - this means measure or keep some slightly tight clothing around to try on once a week.

I really want to emphasize this one, it is important. If you weigh daily, you want see a bounce after each UD. That bounce tells you that you ate enough to 'break' the famine response that DD started. That bounce shows you are keeping the magic going.

If you can weigh daily:
1) Keep a daily log. Include what you ate, what you weighed, how you felt.
2) Calculate your weekly and monthly trend (or average) to see weight loss happening.
3) Learn your personal weight loss pattern. I dropped weight about every six or seven days (after a DD or a UD). I never saw a gradual decrease - I bounced above/around last week's low, then suddenly dropped two more pounds. Others do see gradual decreases - sliding ever downward. It is not what you want, it is what it is.
4) Watch the height of your bounces. You will learn what is normal for you. Say 2 pound bounces are normal. If you bounce 3 or 4 pounds, think about what you ate and how you felt. An unusual bounce may mean you ate something that is not 'good' for your personal body.
5) Bounces after a good DD can mean you need to drink more, a 'bug' is disrupting your hydration pattern (prepare to start sneezing or worse), or something you ate yesterday caused a disruption and may need to be avoided for a few weeks or even forever. DD bounces can be very revealing.

JUDDD is a teacher. What it teaches can be very useful for long-term health and stable maintenance.

LoCarbGal 12-15-2012 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotsomeold (Post 16137325)
I really want to emphasize this one, it is important. If you weigh daily, you want see a bounce after each UD. That bounce tells you that you ate enough to 'break' the famine response that DD started. That bounce shows you are keeping the magic going.

Nancy, this was a great post - all of it. But the above really hit home for me. This is going to help me immensely in dealing with the bounce. I'm getting better at accepting it, but I'm still uncomfortable every time the scale goes up a bit. Maybe now I won't be. Thanks!

Chalagurl 12-15-2012 06:58 AM

Nancy, that you so much! That was informative, helpful, and reassuring! :goodpost:

Chalagurl 12-15-2012 06:59 AM

thank you*

sunday 12-15-2012 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotsomeold (Post 16137325)
I really want to emphasize this one, it is important. If you weigh daily, you want see a bounce after each UD. That bounce tells you that you ate enough to 'break' the famine response that DD started. That bounce shows you are keeping the magic going.

If you can weigh daily:
1) Keep a daily log. Include what you ate, what you weighed, how you felt.
2) Calculate your weekly and monthly trend (or average) to see weight loss happening.
3) Learn your personal weight loss pattern. I dropped weight about every six or seven days (after a DD or a UD). I never saw a gradual decrease - I bounced above/around last week's low, then suddenly dropped two more pounds. Others do see gradual decreases - sliding ever downward. It is not what you want, it is what it is.
4) Watch the height of your bounces. You will learn what is normal for you. Say 2 pound bounces are normal. If you bounce 3 or 4 pounds, think about what you ate and how you felt. An unusual bounce may mean you ate something that is not 'good' for your personal body.
5) Bounces after a good DD can mean you need to drink more, a 'bug' is disrupting your hydration pattern (prepare to start sneezing or worse), or something you ate yesterday caused a disruption and may need to be avoided for a few weeks or even forever. DD bounces can be very revealing.

JUDDD is a teacher. What it teaches can be very useful for long-term health and stable maintenance.

:agree: I don't like to weigh. But when beginning JUDDD, very important!!!

Carly 12-15-2012 07:45 AM

I was low calorie/ low carb from 2/21/12-3/27/12 lost 10 pounds, but that was almost like a DD every day for 5 weeks. I would not recommend that. I started JUDDD on 3/28/12 and kept carbs under 20 net. That was not fun either. On 4/28/12 I abandoned low carb in one huge shot on an UD. I never looked back and honestly I don't recall a huge bounce so it must not have been that big... I know I thought it was going to be something earth shattering, but obviously it must not have been if I can't even recall. Well, since that day in late April when carbs and I reunited I have not felt like I've been on a "diet"- I eat virtually nothing on DDs, but the little I do eat always involves a small amount of stuff that would have been forbidden on low carb even if it is just a rice cake or diet hot chocolate. I hope your experience is a smooth transition- welcome to the dark side :cool:

jenericstewart 12-17-2012 05:23 AM

Previous to JUDDD, I'd been on moderately low carbs, where I'd lost 2 pounds a week for two months. I went directly to JUDDD, and continued to lose a steady 2 pounds a week for a couple of months. I never gained weight from the transition. I'm a slow loser, considering my weight, but at least it is coming off.

wildflower 12-26-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotsomeold (Post 16137325)
The rule of thumb for former LCers who chose to add carbs back immediately when they start JUDDDing: the more volume and the more different kinds of carbs, the higher the bounce. Six to eight pounds after that first carb-frenzy UD is not unheard of.

The important things to remember are:
1) That bounce is water. It goes away. It is absolutely not possible to gain eight pounds of fat in a day.
2) Adding carbs in smaller portions usually means lower bounces.
3) If you can't stand to see the bounces, weigh weekly or monthly.
4) Always have an alternate way to check how things are going - this means measure or keep some slightly tight clothing around to try on once a week.

I really want to emphasize this one, it is important. If you weigh daily, you want see a bounce after each UD. That bounce tells you that you ate enough to 'break' the famine response that DD started. That bounce shows you are keeping the magic going.

If you can weigh daily:
1) Keep a daily log. Include what you ate, what you weighed, how you felt.
2) Calculate your weekly and monthly trend (or average) to see weight loss happening.
3) Learn your personal weight loss pattern. I dropped weight about every six or seven days (after a DD or a UD). I never saw a gradual decrease - I bounced above/around last week's low, then suddenly dropped two more pounds. Others do see gradual decreases - sliding ever downward. It is not what you want, it is what it is.
4) Watch the height of your bounces. You will learn what is normal for you. Say 2 pound bounces are normal. If you bounce 3 or 4 pounds, think about what you ate and how you felt. An unusual bounce may mean you ate something that is not 'good' for your personal body.
5) Bounces after a good DD can mean you need to drink more, a 'bug' is disrupting your hydration pattern (prepare to start sneezing or worse), or something you ate yesterday caused a disruption and may need to be avoided for a few weeks or even forever. DD bounces can be very revealing.

JUDDD is a teacher. What it teaches can be very useful for long-term health and stable maintenance.

I'm copying some of this by hand as my printer is working.:dunno:

I really needed this right now as I'm going in the other direction on the weight scale and my 'diet/lc' mind is telling me that I shouldn't be eating as much on UDs. Even yesterday, an UD, I was telling myself to not eat this or that instead of enjoying the day. Thank you so much!

Arlene

Crazy PreK Teacher 12-26-2012 01:56 PM

Just chiming in...

I am very carb-sensitive...and truly believe that I will probably never be able to eat higher carbs. I become very bloated, and overall feel sluggish. I tend to have the big water retention bounce-up afterward...but lose it over the course of 2-3 days when I return to LC woe.

Over the last 2 weeks (11 days actually)...I have been adding in carbs, and was up technically 8 lbs. from an all-time brief low...have since lost about 5 of it...so it still netted me a 3 lb. gain...but I should lose that with my LC rotations this week.

What I have found is that I can do mainly LC/high protein/high fat and add a few carbs and maintain very well...this is ideal for me! Best of both worlds...I love LC foods, just tend to get tired of it when going W/O carbs every so often.

So...I'm back to LC for a few weeks to get back into goal/maintenance...about 8 lbs....then onto LC w/ a few carbs daily.


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