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Old 07-18-2013, 12:56 PM   #1771
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Well, kids, I'm trying the rice! I cooked up a cup of short-grain brown rice in 2 cups of FF chicken broth (the stuff that Costco has, organic and very tasty) yesterday - chilled it off and had probably 2/3 of a cup, with a little soy sauce, about an hour ago. Hadn't had anything else but a cup of decaf with a splash of half & half about 7:30 this morning.

So we'll see how it works! Eating it cold is supposed to activate the RS, from what I read, we'll see how my body responds to it. If I get shaky and/or hungry I'll know I better just stick with taters.

Which is what I plan to have for dinner, half of a large twice-baked potato (green onions, SCQ, a few bacon bits, paprika on top). I still think the potato has a lot more nutrients than the brown rice, although I haven't done a side-by-side comparison.
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I still think the potato has a lot more nutrients than the brown rice, although I haven't done a side-by-side comparison.
Potato has a lot more nutrients than rice - I just had to include rice because my GI system started acting up so early into the hack.

I ate white rice (mostly in the form of congee or idli) or sprouted brown rice which was good but a lot of faff although it did make me feel that I was trying to add in some of the nutrients that I was missing by not always eating potato and having so much appetite suppression that I needed nutrient density for what I did eat.
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Old 07-18-2013, 02:24 PM   #1773
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I only tried the PH for one DD, not for multiple days, but I'm trying to not fast right now, and am having some unexplained weight gain. I plan to give it a little while longer as I'm going, but I'm really tempted to try the hack for 3 days and see what happens, just eating to satiety. Thinking . . .
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I'm trying to not fast right now, and am having some unexplained weight gain. I plan to give it a little while longer as I'm going, but I'm really tempted to try the hack for 3 days and see what happens, just eating to satiety. Thinking . . .
Dawn, KeyTones has started a thread that might be of interest to you in parts: Stephan Guyenet Recommendations - Reduce Food Reward in Paleo Setting
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I am doing the hack today!!! Well, started today and plan on going til Monday. I leave on Tues for my trip to Japan and want to drop a few pounds. I say "plan to" because my 19th wedding anniversary is on Friday and we have a coupon (expires at the end of the month) for free food at a restaurant that we have not tried yet. I could possibly just eat a potato, or could wait til Monday to use it. But with day #1 of the hack on today, I am waiting at least 3 days before going out! Looking forward to getting on the scale tomorrow to see how I did today. So far, so good!
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Well, day #1 of the potato hack done and behind me. I am down 2.2 lbs!!! WooHoo!!!

This is my menu from yesterday;

AM--2 cups of coffee with cream (last one at 11AM)
starting around 3, maybe 4PM, I had baby yellow potatoes- warm out of the oven
6:30PM I had the rest of the bag of baby yellow potatoes- cold from the fridge. The bag was a total of 1.5 lbs. and I had the entire batch yesterday. I also slipped in some dark chocolate and 11 oz of coconut water.

Today will be pretty much the same--just finished my 2nd cup of coffee. Today is my anniversary and am a bit sad I won't be going out to dinner tonight, but will hold off til Sunday. I really want this hack to work!!! So glad that my 3rd attempt is still yielding losses.
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Down 2.2 lbs this a.m. after easing (sort of) back into P3 style eating, about 1700 calories, 99 grams of protein. 168.9, a new low! I think I was eating too little towards the end of my PH and therefore hanging onto fat. Still stopped up, though....
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:10 AM   #1779
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Hi everyone ! I've been doing 5:2 for 8 weeks and IF 16/8 for 5 weeks. Really just trying to maintain. My first 3 weeks of 5:2 I saw a small but steady downward trend and went from 124.8 to 123.6 but the last 4 weeks I've been going up when I added back in exercise. Last DD weigh in was 126.8.

Going to give the potato hack a try and see if I can lose a few lbs and hopefully see less fluctuations on my UD and go back to my downward trends on 5:2 without having to add more DDs. So far hoping for a 3 day PH. Mon-DD, Tues/Wed UD. Thurs which is my normal DD if I can handle it I'll make it 4 days of PH or if not a regular DD. Hope next Friday's weigh in I can see 123-124 again

Going to stick to basic boiled potatoes with s/p & malt vinegar. Maybe I'll get a little creative on my UD and broil them or make french fries. I hope my coffee with fat free h&h is ok because I can't stomach plain coffee. Hoping for the best !
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Let me wish you both good luck with your PH starts, Dawn and Pandora.

Pandora, I'm finding that although I have always preferred coffee with cream, I've been able to drink it now with just Steviva (stevia and erythritol) in it and am not finding is so bad. But I'm on my 3rd hack and it's just now getting easier to drink it black (with sweetener). Maybe if I keep doing PH's, I can ditch the cream in my coffee for good. I'd like very much to be able to do that. Then I'll tackle ditching the sweetener.......but I'm a "one thing at a time" kinda gal.

Resumed my 3rd hack today at 174 (4# bounce up, as dinner was quite salty last night). Had a lovely anniversary dinner last night. I ordered bacon/jalapeno/cheese wrapped shrimp and what else? a baked potato, of course. I allowed myself butter and chives on it. had a cup of lobster bisque, but didn't eat the not-so-good rice pilaf that was on the shrimp plate!
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:58 AM   #1781
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Quick questions for the experts before I start my PH tomorrow Should I still take my fish oil & CLA supplement ? They have fat so I am trying to stick to protocol 100 % on this potato hack. I am assuming my others supplements like acv, potassium, multi vitamin, calcium, vitamin C, raspberry ketone, biotin, milk thistle, aminos are ok ?

Also I have some Bragg's amino and Bragg's nutritional yeast that I add to my foods and it has some calories but no fat so I'm thinking they should be ok to use as a seasoning ? I am worried about being constipated since I have mild IBS but I normally add fiber sprinkles to my food or have fiber crispbread I buy on Netrition. Going to give that a break but I do have some teas that help if I find myself constipated.

So far have planned for 3 days but if I can make it may just do 4 days. Can't wait for my weigh in on Friday. I so want to see 123-124 again.

Any advice or suggestions are very welcome !! Thanks ladies
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No expert here, but I sure didn't stop my oil-based capsule supplements and still lost. Took all my other supplements, too. I blow up like a balloon with water weight from Braggs aminos from the sodium (even off the PH), so I avoid it personally, whether I'm on or off the PH. But that's just me, I avoid most soy/sodium. I just use straight salt on my PH potatoes and not too much of that.

I know nothing about nutritional yeast, but after Googling it, it sure looks pretty innocent, but I'll let someone else weigh in on whether they think it will hurt your PH efforts.

Morning 2 of my third PH and the scale shows me down 2# today.
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This is one of those 'it depends on what you think the mechanism of action is' responses.

If you think it's the insulin action then don't take your oils with hot potato although as the insulin response should be lower for cold potato, unless you're taking something in the order of 150kcals of oil calories to accompany (say) 100kcals of cold potato.

If the hack seems to work because it has the appetite-suppressing effect of a mono-food diet then I'd suggest that unless you're taking an additional 300kcals a day from your supplements, I'd doubt there's any good reason to omit them. (I wish there were some published research about this so that there could be more confidence in answering questions, but there isn't.)

I'd say take your supplements - if I'm wrong, I apologise but I'd hope that any error became apparent quite quickly.

ETA: because I lean to the reduced intake explanation, I would think that the aminos and NY would be OK as long as it didn't make your potatoes so tasty and desirable that you could eat them past the point of satiety.

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Thank you Ladies for the quick replies ! I think I'll be keeping in my supplements. I've kept them in on on 500 cal DD and still lost so I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the PH will work for me.

Going to get them started in the crock pot and then the fridge. Going to try and eat them cold as well. Will keep everyone posted.

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Morning 2 of my third PH and the scale shows me down 2# today.
It seems that when you don't lose it's your body's way of saying take a break for a day.
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It does, Oreo. So 2 days without loss will be when I end each of my hacks. I can read the writing on the wall when it's written so clearly each time. I tell ya, my 64 year old metabolism is one smart cookie. Sorry, that was an inexcusable word choice on a diet forum.
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So apparently, I am one of those people who do NOT do well with the PH. Tried it yesterday for the first time on my DD. Had coffee with coconut creamer (30cal) for breakfast. Did my run and a long walk in the afternoon and about 4pm ate my first meal. I microwaved 300 calories worth of yukons and then sprayed them with my EVOO mister and salt and pepper. My son, grabbed a fork and we ate them together. Still hungry, I made another one - same way. Within 20 minutes I had to go lay down and then slept for about an hour (I was tired anyways). Woke up groggy and miserable. Drank a bunch of water all evening and then finally went to bed at 9pm hungry and foggy.
I woke up this morning with a headache and ate a big protein breakfast. Feeling better now - but still have a tater hangover!
On the scale front - I did drop 2 pounds and am .2 under my last low of 5 days ago. Thankfully. It was a DD and could have nothing to do with the potatoes...
I don't understand the science enough to know what this all means. If I continue, will this help with insulin resistance, or is it futile? Or is this even insulin resistance? I found the potatoes really satisfying to eat and filling. If they hadn't made me feel so lousy, I would have had more last evening, but I didn't think it wise at the time.
If you have any ideas, I would love to hear them.

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So far my first DD of PH and boy are they filling ! Actually not too bad cold. Had 1 Yukon gold for Breakfast, 1 Idaho & another Yukon for lunch with lots of Malt Vinegar. I definitely can do this for 3 days, let's see if I can push it & make it to 4 days. I can see where you would get sick of potatoes though. They just look so unappetizing in my crock pot.

So far no bloat or any grogginess and energy is pretty good for a DD. I can't imagine eating double or more tomorrow on my UD but will definitely not be hungry.

Hope the scale is kind tomorrow
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I'm not so much into the science of how this works, so I'll let those that are answer your questions, Jrudq. I just know I've hot had any ill effects from eating carbs/potatoes, no grogginess, no headaches, no issues at all really. When I feel hungry or momentarily weak I just go eat a small potato (or 2) and that resolves the feeling in 5 minutes or less. In my 2 hacks, that scenario has only played out twice that I can recall, and it didn't happen after a long stretch without eating, as one would suspect, but instead, after only a 2-3 hour break from the last potato.

I'm now on day 3 of my 3rd hack, down 4# this morning, and haven't had a BG drop on this hack (yet). I just don't allow hunger to set in or linger. The minute I get hunger pangs, I stop what I'm doing and go eat 1-2 cold finger/new potatoes. I keep boiled tiny potatoes and larger baked potatoes cooked and ready in the fridge at all times.

I've been mildly hypoglycemic since my college days, so I recognize that weak feeling and actual "hand shakes" coming on and KNOW to get food in my stomach right away when it happens.
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Thanks Buttoni. I don't really know what is going on with me. I am not shakey, just, well, feel groggy and hungover and almost flu like. I ate again this morning and took two aspirin. Maybe that will help. And, I guess, it is possible my feeling so lousy has nothing to do with the potatoes...What concerns me most, is my response to this and what it means physiologically. I have a feeling it is not a great endorsement for my metabolism. Have been doing a few searches but not finding anything relevant yet...
IF I try it again, I don't think I will wait 18 hours and then eat a pile of potatoes. I will do the cold, and eat them more frequently.
Even after all of this, it still appeals to me and I want to try it again. Kinda crazy...
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I've noticed in following the Potato Hack both here and over at MDA that some folks have an initial negative reaction that resolves as they continue to do it. You might just keep hacking and see if it goes away--
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I've noticed in following the Potato Hack both here and over at MDA that some folks have an initial negative reaction that resolves as they continue to do it. You might just keep hacking and see if it goes away--
Thanks, O. I do feel that this is in someways a great solution for my DD hunger and issues. I also think that if I have issues again, I won't tough it out and I will just get some protein in me ASAP.

I appreciate your feedback.
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So apparently, I am one of those people who do NOT do well with the PH. ..Within 20 minutes I had to go lay down and then slept for about an hour (I was tired anyways). Woke up groggy and miserable. Drank a bunch of water all evening and then finally went to bed at 9pm hungry and foggy.
I woke up this morning with a headache and ate a big protein breakfast....
I don't understand the science enough to know what this all means. If I continue, will this help with insulin resistance, or is it futile?
The PH won't suit everyone. If you think it might have been more of a general issue than the PH itself, then you might want to try white rice as well as potatoes (I did when I was horribly ill but wanted to continue so tried out rice as well and improved but I have no history of blood sugar issues).

Nobody knows what the science is and if it differs for people at this point (I attribute the success of my PH to appetite suppression and its attendant caloric restriction, others feel differently about how they experienced theirs).

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So far my first DD of PH and boy are they filling ! ... can see where you would get sick of potatoes though. They just look so unappetizing in my crock pot.
I found the PH taught me the distinction between hunger (willing to eat a potato when I really didn't fancy one) and being hungry for something (if I fancied something but decided to eat a potato instead at which point my appetite's response was, "Actually, I'm not that peckish"). I also realised the difference between eating to satiety and beyond that point (e.g., cleaning the plate and eating for entertainment).

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.What concerns me most, is my response to this and what it means physiologically. I have a feeling it is not a great endorsement for my metabolism...
IF I try it again, I don't think I will wait 18 hours and then eat a pile of potatoes. I will do the cold, and eat them more frequently.
Maybe it's wise not to mix 2 things for you but to eat to satiety? Introduce elaborations such as timings when you have more experience of what PH is for you and more personal data as to how you respond?
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I'm now on day 3 of my 3rd hack, down 4# this morning, and haven't had a BG drop on this hack (yet). ..

I've been mildly hypoglycemic since my college days, so I recognize that weak feeling and actual "hand shakes" coming on and KNOW to get food in my stomach right away when it happens.
I'm so pleased that your positive experience of the PH is continuing for you.
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First day of PH done & down -1.6. Not too bad but I am used to bigger drops after my DD. Going to stick it out for 3 days and then do a regular DD on Thursday. The big measure for me will be Friday's weigh in but also next week when I start eating normal how the fluctuations go.

After Day 1 I didn't find it difficult nor was I hungry. I kept it pretty basic with cold potatoes and malt vinegar. I will see if more calories as today is an UD gives me different results than yesterday. I'm hoping it works like the FF that I get bigger drops the 2nd and 3rd days.

Will keep everyone posted but so far so good
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Well, I am happy to say, after my UD following my PH, I am only up .4 - which is quite excellent for a very full UD!
I am going to try the PH again today, but I am not going to wait all day and then eat a pile of potatoes! I also cooked them last night (in the crockpot - nice!) and they await me in the refrigerator.
Feel great this morning after my run and ready for a good DD.
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Scale is down another pound today, 169. That's a milestone pound, as it puts me below my 3-year stall weight of 170. I struggled my way down to 160 last summer, but didn't hold the 160's for long, as I trialed Paleo for 4 months and gained back to 170 pretty quick. Fruit and honey and I clearly don't mix well.

To avoid much of a bounce this time when I suspend my hack, I'm going to try to eat just seasoned vegetables and only a couple ounces of meat at a meal. Will see how that works out. I hate that bounce up 2-4# each time I stop a hack. I'm sure it's water gain, but would like to stop the bounce if I can.
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peggy--you are doing great. This clearly agrees with you. Keep up the great work!
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Thanks Ouiz. So glad I finally found something that DOES! Took me long enough. Just downed 2 lovely bowls of my Potato Hack Soup with a wee bit of green onion added before pureeing.
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Quick and big THANK YOU! Went to whole foods today and found malt vinegar, no sugar ketchup (both 5 cal a T) and jalepeno jack queso (25 calorie for 2T). OMG!!! Am I enjoying my potatoes! The malt vinegar and ketchup combo is fabulous and I CANNOT believe the queso is 12.5 cal a T! Quiz, I believe it was you who mentioned it and I was so happy I remembered it as I walked through the store.
I am thinking I could eat ALOT of potatoes this way...
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