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Old 07-11-2013, 05:23 PM   #1711
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I had a question to run by you PH folks. I checked my foodtracker and it shows egg whites only have .1 gram of fat. What do you think about eating egg whites poached in water for breakfast with salt and pepper, or dropped into in homemade, chilled, defatted chicken broth for a sort of "wonton/egg drop" type soup, with a few leaves of spinach thrown in for good measure. Do you folks think it would be a mistake to introduce the egg whites? What are your thoughts?
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I think you have to try and see how it works for you. Some folks believe that it is just as important to keep your protein low as it is your fat. Ymmv.
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Be sure to visit REMcooks' website for full instructions on how he made the potato chips. He soaks them in water first to remove as much starch from the cut surfaces as possible before cooking. He said they might stick to the paper towels if not. A couple of mine did, too. I'm using parchment paper in future just to be safe.
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I think you have to try and see how it works for you. Some folks believe that it is just as important to keep your protein low as it is your fat. Ymmv.
Thanks for your words of wisdom. I don't want to take a chance on taking in too much protein, so I'll skip the egg whites.
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Oh, Wow, Buttoni thanks for the potato chip idea.
I am off to buy my Rival and follow suit. Chips sound great for a change. I wonder how my beloved baby dutch taters would slice up for chips? I would think the starch would be fine?

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Thanks, Buttoni, i found it! It looks like a useful tool! I saw Anne Burell actually brining her chips before frying, that could be good too...
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I used my silpat in the microwave to make the MW chips.
And for my potato DD's, I ate eggs and coffee with HWC for breakfast and then waited 5 or 6 hours before I started the cold boiled potatoes. But I really only want to maintain not lose and it works very well for that.
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I saw a comment under that recipe from someone who baked them at 400 under close supervision, they loved them
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I used my silpat in the microwave to make the MW chips.
What a clever idea! Why didn't I think of that?!

Granny.....I just have to tell you I just LOVE your avatar!! That's a classic! LOL

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What a clever idea! Why didn't I think of that?!

Granny.....I just have to tell you I just LOVE your avatar!! That's a classic! LOL

Thanks!
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WOO HOO! I started my hack on the 5th and I'm down 9#! I'm astounded how this works for me. Now to continue. I'm making my Potato Hack Soup and adding some diced canned tomato solids, green chilies and smoky paprika/chipotle/Mexican blend. Smells delicious cooking right now. Going to puree it all up with a stick blender. I think it'll be pretty good. If so, I'll post it in the PH Recipe thread.
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When you hack do you eat potatoes ud 1700cal worth and dd 380 cal worth
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When you hack do you eat potatoes ud 1700cal worth and dd 380 cal worth
Not sure if you're asking me, grammy, but I'm not doing JUDDD, so no UD or DD. I do Atkins with a Primal Blueprint twist, so on my potato hack, I'm eating potatoes exclusively EVERYDAY, and to satiety. I'm not counting or logging them, but when I was logging during my first round of PH, I was averaging 8oz (brekkie)-16 oz. (lunch and dinner), and another 8 oz. of small new or fingerling boiled potatoes cold for any between meal hunger issues. It averaged <1000 cals a day for me that 5 day stretch. It's working out to be around that this go round, too, and I'm just finishing day eight. I don't add much to mine, just spices, herbs, salt, pepper. Sometimes I make soup by pureeing them in their boiling water, sometimes I dry fry them (a long time) in a non-stick skillet, each week I bake a pan full of about 12 whole potatoes, chill and just cut into wedges and season with whatever spices I like and bake them until they crisp up at 400║. Cold, boiled straight from the fridge is my least favorite way to eat them, but I do that for snacks if I get hungry. I'm needing snacks less and less the longer I do this I notice. About every 3 days I treat myself to adding 1 tsp. butter on each side of a baked potato.
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When you hack do you eat potatoes ud 1700cal worth and dd 380 cal worth
I kept my JUDDD rotations (tho' the numbers were smaller for me) however, the advice is to 'eat to satiety' and that's a very good method.

The question became academic for me because eating potato had the effect of almost completing suppressing my appetite - it's an open question whether this is because of the potato or because after a few days of eating nothing but potato I seemed to go into abrupt ketosis and this may have been what suppressed my appetite.
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WOO HOO! I started my hack on the 5th and I'm down 9#! I'm astounded how this works for me.
I am so delighted to read of your progress. KUTGW

Both your chips and soup look/sound delicious.
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I kept my JUDDD rotations (tho' the numbers were smaller for me) however, the advice is to 'eat to satiety' and that's a very good method.

The question became academic for me because eating potato had the effect of almost completing suppressing my appetite - it's an open question whether this is because of the potato or because after a few days of eating nothing but potato I seemed to go into abrupt ketosis and this may have been what suppressed my appetite.
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I am so delighted to read of your progress. KUTGW

Both your chips and soup look/sound delicious.
This answers a lot I think
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Down another pound today!! That's more than I lost 4 months on JUDDD, when I only lost 6#. So that makes 10# down since the 5th of July. This really encourages me to keep going with this experiment, only letting up a little bit for my anniversary celebration on the 19th. It would be sooooooo nice to finally get off this 170 lb. stagnating roller coaster and get to my goal of 150ish by Christmas. I've decided that's what I want Santa to bring me this year, at any rate.

And I cooked a new ground bison patty recipe last night for DH and even partook myself of a 2 oz. portion (without the smoked gouda and bacon I put on his) alongside my potatoes. Wanted to evaluate it for possible website posting, as I've never eaten bison before. I expected a bounce up on the scale this morning, but instead, got a bounce DOWN! And I've decided I really like bison. Not gamey at all. So I'll be posting this quick recipe on my website soon.

So today it's back to all potatoes. I really don't want to push the envelope any further, since this WOE (all potatoes and nothing but potatoes) seems to agree with my metabolism for some inexplicable reason.

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Thanks SlowSure. I really think this is gonna work for me and am so thankful to have found this thread.
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I just wandered into this Potato Hack situation

At a loss as to where to start reading??
I have been at a permanent stand still in my weight losses for
far too long. I cannot imagine eating my favorite food and losing.
It would be very kind of someone, maybe Peggy to tell me where to
start looking. I can't figure how you, Peggy can do Atkins and potatoes?
It would be nice to know.

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Barbo--the potato hack is not atkins or lowcarb. We don't know why it works exactly. You eat potatoes with no fat or protein. Pretty much just potatoes with a little vinegar or some spices. For some people, the weight comes off pretty easily doing this. Some people who are doing JUDDD are doing potato down days which means eating 500 calories worth of potatoes. On their Up Days they eat whatever. However many of us who have done the potato hack are just eating potatoes for 4-5 days (or longer for some) and only eating to appetite. Seems to work well for many people.
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What Ouiz said, Barb. I read the post at MDA (pretty much all 106 pages) mentioned in Post #1 this thread and then came back here and read this one. Like Ouiz said, it appears to be working for some. Is for me at least. So my Atkins is on hiatus when I'm doing a PH stretch. I will resume Atkins/Primally when I stop the PH'ing (which won't be until I reach goal.

I honestly thought I'd get so sick of potatoes I'd not last past 3-4 days, but not so. I do crave fat/butter on them, but I'm abstaining 95% on that front, allowing a pat of butter if (and only if) I make a baked potato (only 2x in 15 days of my 2 PH efforts). My current PH began July 1st and I'm down 10#. That's 10 days so far, and I plan to keep on until my Anniversary celebration the 19th. I plan to only break my PH for 1 day, because I learned breaking it longer last time got me a gain back of 5# of the 9# I lost in the 5 days of my first PH. Not sure of the biological process that are allowing it to work (though what I've read makes sense to me). All I know is it is working for me, where nothing was working any longer for me, not Atkins, not JUDDD, not dropping all baked goodies, not dropping dairy, not anything. On this, you're probably dropping just about everything, so if any food intolerance are at play with me, this would seem to remedy that situation. I dang sure KNOW I'm not allergic/sensitive to healthy potatoes. Thank goodness.

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Just to agree with Buttoni and Ouizoid - the mechanism is unclear and it's difficult to predict who this will work for and who it won't.

My experience was that it suppressed my appetite - possibly because it triggered ketosis. I didn't have any weight rebound after I finished the hack. It very decisively broke a 5 week, 5 day duration plateau.
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Love the new avatar, Slow! For me, the hack broke a 3-year stall at 170, that had just in the last few months or Paleo fruit experimenting, turned into a 10# fructose gain! So I really need to stick with this. I'm only 20# from goal and think this is going to do it for me.
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I'm curious about how much you are eating, Buttoni? As in how many pounds/oz of potatoes throughout the day? I have lost some on PH but seem to be stalling out and it could be, possibly, that I'm not eating enough. I am sure most days I don't make even 1 lb of taters....
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Jeanyyy, I find now I don't want to eat when I first get up, so not eating breakfast (did in the beginning though). Since I don't eat after 9pm, I figure that's a 14-hour fast, in essence, so I see that as a good thing metabolically speaking. I eat on average 8-12 oz potatoes around 11AM. I call it potato brunch. I have another 8-16 oz. at 5pm for dinner (early, I know, but I'm usually famished by then). Then my final meal is 8-12 oz. of potatoes around 9pm, because I've learned if I don't, I'm starving when I go to bed at 10 or 11 and just can't go to sleep when I'm hungry. So hunger is triggering off about every 5 hours. I've been doing it since July 5th. I had to snack on cold boiled finger potatoes OFTEN on my first hack in June, and again the first couple days of this current hack. Back then, hunger was pretty noticeable every 3 hours. But that hunger window is widened to about every 5 hours now, so I'm just going with hunger (and satiety) as my guide to how many and when to eat my spuds. I'm just not needing the in-between meal potato snack anymore.

Mostly I eat them hot, not cold:

dry-fried in a non-stick skillet with salt and pepper
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baked completely, refrigerated and then cut into wedges, baked at 400║ til crisp
boiled and then pureed into soup (in their boiling broth) skins and all (with green onion) baked eaten with just salt and pepper. I eat the flesh and then the skin, too, sprinkled with salt and pepper (one time I even put 1 tsp. butter on my baked spud, but just once)

I didn't lose any today. Hopefully I will tomorrow. I sooooooo don't want to stall out.

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Wow, that's way more than I'm eating...

I start the day with (usually) 2 cups of coffee with 1 Tbsp hwc each, then wait 4 hours to eat potatoes. On the weekends, this sometimes means I don't eat anything until 4 - 5 pm. I eat around 5-8 oz of potatoes (at a time) at that time, then again around 7-8 pm and occasionally a bit more around 10:30 pm.

Yesterday, I had 2 scrambled eggs with a 3rd cup of coffee (bit of onion and tsp of butter in the eggs); then used 1 tsp oil/1 tsp butter on 2 types of hash browns (so a total of 3 tsps of fat plus 3 Tbsps hwc in the day). The final meal was just cold reheated taters with vinegar and salt. And I not only did not lose for the 2nd day in a row, I actually went UP 0.1 lb (no big deal, but 2 days in a row). I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.
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I don't know, but I would suspect the difference is you're using cream in your coffee (I stopped using it just for my PH), the eggs (which are themselves fat and protein) and the oil you're using. I'm not using any oil really. I even chill and defat the homemade chicken broth I mentioned. I think it's the total lack of fat that makes this really work. FORCES your body to have to dip into STORED fat for its fat needs, like for the heart and brain and transporting vitamins and minerals and such. If you're giving it dietary intake fat, it doesn't have to dip into stored fat. The body exhausts all intake fat first and then goes after stored fat for its needs. That's just from my internet reading about fats.

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jean--I agree with Peggy. For this to work, the theory is, that in the absence of fat, the potatoes cause an insulin spike that triggers the mobilization of fatty acids from body fat to modulate. If you are adding fat to your food, I think you are interfering with that reaction. That's the theory, anyhow.
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Although I am not diabetic, I have been told over the last few years that my fasting BS is on the high side (89). I don't know if my reaction when I tried the PH for a day (I felt like I needed to run around , and even less sleep). I am wondering if the research shows it balances out, or if it is just a bad idea to try again.
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I should mention that the fat added on Sunday was a rare occurrence, by far. I have used (not altogether) a tsp of queso (like you ouizoid) and a bit of 0% fat greek yogurt on a couple of occasions, malt vinegar, white vinegar, low sodium soy sauce, etc.

Even when I did add fat, it was 1 tsp of olive oil for a panful of shredded hashbrowns, for instance.

Anyway, today I have had 2 cups of coffee with 1 tbsp hwc each, just had a handful of microwaved potato chips with 0 fat while waiting for the oven ones to be done. So we'll see....

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