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Old 06-27-2013, 08:20 AM   #1651
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WTG Jeanyyy! You go girl!

Thanks you so much Slow and Sunday. Your logic and rationale make perfectly good sense. Having read Diane Sanfilippo's Practical Paleo, I have a fair grasp of leaky gut. You have given me much food for thought, Slow. I think I need to reread her science section of the book and not write off Paleo just because I gained 10# doing it for 60 days of Whole30. But clearly I will not be able to eat fruit much at all if it is to work for me without major gains.

Clearly the Potato Hack eliminated something in my situation that resulted in the cessation of the appearance of NEW red skin patches.

Perhaps related, (perhaps not), but I had shingles 2 years ago related to a weakened immune system according to my doc. I thought it was tied to chronic stress after Dad died and dealing with my mother's onset of dementia (my cortisol was off the chart). But in retrospect, the shingles could have been an already faltering immune system from diet, that was merely exacerbated by 4 years of LC'ing and chronic stress. The stress has improved greatly this year. Now I just need to tackle dietary causes for weakening the immune system.

Thanks so much for being a "buttinski". I really appreciate you insightful comments.

BTW, I'm not <20g net carbs. Before all this PH, I ran about 30-40g NC a day on average. Fat averaged 60-70%.
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Good news Jeanyyy!

I weighed this morning...201. Not bad considering I was 208 over the weekend (gasp!). I was not doing low carb; I was failing at McDougall (high starch low fat) with trips to yogurtland and eating sushi and pho and the like. It was a bit of a vacation, since my daughter was out of school for a couple of weeks. We had a good time! So, after debloating, I find I did gain some real fat and it is time to get this off!!!

So, it will be interesting to see from here what happens...I need to make my stats honest soon
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May I ask how people are transitioning off the Potato Hack? I was on P4 of Round 3 of HCG when I started mine, if that matters... I'm thinking I will do today and tomorrow (Friday) on PH, then go back to P4. I leave for the Portland Blues Festival on Thursday and want to be back to "normal" by then - especially since I'll be facing fair food and line ups for the porta potties, probably

Just wondering if I should ease into P4, but ease in on what, precisely? Calories? Fat? Protein? It would be great not to rebound.......
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May I ask how people are transitioning off the Potato Hack? I was on P4 of Round 3 of HCG when I started mine, if that matters... I'm thinking I will do today and tomorrow (Friday) on PH, then go back to P4...

Just wondering if I should ease into P4, but ease in on what, precisely? Calories? Fat? Protein? It would be great not to rebound.......
Be cautious in reintroducing fat for the first few days. I don't understand HCG but I know that both Yennie and I had to be careful with the fat. Would emphasising protein with moderate carbs and a gradual ramping of the fat work for you?
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I also am interested in how people eat off the ph. I was 5:2 and lc when I started. In 4 days I've lost 3 lbs. Great considering I usually happy when I don't gain. When I turned 35 I was at my all time low, a comfortable 4 that could wear some 2's. I didn't change anything but the weight kept creeping up. I do the elliptical 3x wk and a weighted work out 3x and stayed lc yet the weight kept going up. I'm now 43 and a 10. This is the first time I have seen my weight go down in years. I know I can't stay on it forever and I am really missing wine. I think I can do it during the week and maybe lc on weekends with low fat. I have seen on *** that some keep eating potatoes for two of three meals so I may try that. I have been very happy with my energy when I work out.

Buttoni, it sounds like your body has adapted and I think going to another plan will shake things up again. I hope you report back as to how things are going and what you are doing because I suspect my body will adapt and I will have to change things myself.
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Thanks, Slow! Yes, that would work... I find I'm craving steak more than anything...
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Holy Cow this is a long thread, and I won't pretend to have read it all....but I've read some.

On another WoE, potatoes were bandied about as a possible addition, but it was stressed that you had to eat them when they were first cooked, and never reheated after they'd cooled, or you would lose the benefit of the resistant starch...it would be NON resistant. Has anyone seen this as a problem?

I'm still pretty new to UdDd on the whole, so I don't want to go totally potatoey, but I'm intrigued enough to try it just for a DD or two a week. Is that working for some of you?

If I decided to do some potato only DDs, I'll probably do some small Yukon Golds prepared as Syracuse Salt Boiled...they turn out really creamy inside, and the salt doesn't really penetrate, just improves the flavor. (skipping the butter of course!)
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Adi is very partial to Yukon Gold, iirc. She also has regular potato DD and as she's in maintenance, yes, they work for her. My DH also has potato DD and they're fine for him.

Some people eat the potatoes both hot and cold. tbh, if potato is being eaten on alternate days, I doubt that the amount of resistant starch is substantial enough to make a significant difference. For different reasons, I supplement my resistant starch using BRM unmodified potato starch.
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I do potato DD's with cold boiled potatoes BUT I usually have a regular breakfast and start the potatoes at lunch and beyond. Cold boiled Yukon Golds with a little salt. Plain and easy. And I am in maintenance so I am not trying to lose just stay the same and it certainly helps.
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I haven't been able to tell much for certain (re: various preparation methods or hot vs. cold) except that both my daughter and I agree that if I make fat free mashed potatoes they just aren't filling. Really, even if you eat a hot potato, it cools quickly as you are eating it. I think this is why it is hard for me to tell the difference anyway regarding satiety.

I use peeled and unpeeled. I go between russets and yukon gold. I like them microwaved whole or peeled sliced, baked until cooked then add pizza sauce on top and put back in the oven to finish.
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Down another lb today making it 2.7 lbs in 6 days. That may not seem like much compared to some, but I had a few days at the beginning where I *gained* weight, probably because I was coming from a fairly low carb position... This weight today, 171.4, is a new low!!!
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I haven't been able to tell much for certain (re: various preparation methods or hot vs. cold) except that both my daughter and I agree that if I make fat free mashed potatoes they just aren't filling. Really, even if you eat a hot potato, it cools quickly as you are eating it. I think this is why it is hard for me to tell the difference anyway regarding satiety.

I use peeled and unpeeled. I go between russets and yukon gold. I like them microwaved whole or peeled sliced, baked until cooked then add pizza sauce on top and put back in the oven to finish.
I follow the purest regime and that is boiled and then stored in the frig and eaten as needed. Hence the cold boiled potatoes listed on my DD menu. I found that adding condiments just defeated the purpose since if it tastes really good, you want more. I use plain salt or lemon pepper on the cold gold potatoes. Just my way.
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Down another lb today making it 2.7 lbs in 6 days. That may not seem like much compared to some, but I had a few days at the beginning where I *gained* weight, probably because I was coming from a fairly low carb position... This weight today, 171.4, is a new low!!!
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My Potato Hack Experiment

Day 0 174.1
Day 1 173.6 -0.5 -0.5
Day 2 173.9 +0.3 -0.2
Day 3 174.8 +0.9 +0.7
Day 4 173.7 -1.1 -1.4
Day 5 172.4 -1.3 -2.7
Day 6 171.4 -1.0 -3.7
Day 7 170.9 -0.5 -4.2 Admitedly, this weight is a "got up late" one

So, -4.2 lbs in 7 days of Potato Hacking; more than any non-first-week HCG week *ever*. Very interesting. Now to see what happens when I try to (slowly-ish) ease back to normal.

The plan today is to go out for steak and asparagus at the casino (one of the best steaks around and the asparagus are to die for). We'll go on the early side, 5:30ish... so I might not eat before then, other than a couple of coffees.
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SlowSure, I think I've figured it out now. Your input is what got me to thinking. I just posted this over on the Lupin Flour thread, but I'm going to copy/paste that post here. I thank you for getting me to think more deeply about this. I do think I could have leaky gut going on as well, but I think the red skin issues were ALLERGY in nature:

Allergic Reaction?
Long story. Let me state categorically I have absolutely NO PEANUT ALLERGY. Been eating them all my life. But I think I may possibly have a sensitivity to lupin flour, known to cause allergic reactions in people with peanut allergies. It may be sheer coincidence, but the evidence I have is pretty convincing.

I baked my first recipe with lupin flour Feb 20th (I can document that because of my website). No reaction, so I thought I was OK with it. Sometime around the beginning of March, I developed a large brown to red skin patch the size of a quarter on my lower front torso. Then a week later a larger one on my right hip. Then several other smaller ones in just a couple days, and a few on my lower back even. In a few more days I had several more on my upper thighs.

I decided I needed to let a dermatologist to evaluate and I saw him on March 19th, 3-4 weeks from the first lupin flour ingestion. He asked if I was using any new household or personal products or eating any new foods. I mentioned the lupin flour was a recent baking addition, but despite that information, he diagnosed the red patches, with a 90% certainty, as something called Purpura "lichen aureus", a very rare skin disorder with unknown etiology and no cure. In most patients, it responds well to and lightens with the application of steroid cream topically. Over the next couple months, many, many more red patches showed up, and would slowly and only stubbornly lighten up with the cream treatment, always with 4-5 new patches appearing just when the old ones would go away. Mind you, I made 3-4 new lupin flour recipes during this 2 months as well, which in retrospect, I suspect caused the "new appearances". Didn't make any connection with the lupin flour, as the skin disorder typically causes repeat, random occurrences, according to literature.

But I haven't baked any lupin recipes since the end of May May 17th to be exact). The patches began to not only finally become lighter and lighter (something they had been pretty resistant to) but NO NEW ONES SHOWED UP!!! As of today, I only have 1 red patch left, and no new ones in a 2-week period (pretty phenomenal really).

Coincidentally and concurrently, I started a Potato Hack for 10 days on June 17th. SlowSure on the Potato Hack thread thought perhaps that severe an elimination diet might have eliminated some food intolerance I might have been unaware of before. But then I started checking the dates of my lupin baking and realized I had just ceased baking with it May 17th and that was right about the time I did my Potato Hack experiment.

I now think it was the lupin flour all along and that my doc has misdiagnosed this totally. If I continue to see no further eruptions of red patches, I'm going to assume this was most certainly an allergic/immune system reaction to the lupin flour. Needless to say, I will NOT be doing further experimenting with lupin flour. I'm going to have to let you other folks work with this one from here on.

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My Potato Hack Experiment

Day 0 174.1
Day 1 173.6 -0.5 -0.5
Day 2 173.9 +0.3 -0.2
Day 3 174.8 +0.9 +0.7
Day 4 173.7 -1.1 -1.4
Day 5 172.4 -1.3 -2.7
Day 6 171.4 -1.0 -3.7
Day 7 170.9 -0.5 -4.2 Admitedly, this weight is a "got up late" one

So, -4.2 lbs in 7 days of Potato Hacking; more than any non-first-week HCG week *ever*. Very interesting. Now to see what happens when I try to (slowly-ish) ease back to normal.

The plan today is to go out for steak and asparagus at the casino (one of the best steaks around and the asparagus are to die for). We'll go on the early side, 5:30ish... so I might not eat before then, other than a couple of coffees.
That is great Jeanyyy! It is interesting to hear your comparison to HCG.

Buttoni- Glad you were able to figure out what was causing the skin reaction!
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Down 1.0 lbs today, 169.9... I'm shocked.

We went to the casino restaurant last night for an early dinner and found out on arrival that the prime rib was on special for $9.98. We both ordered it (8 oz) and instead of "silky" mashed, they gave us a small salad with dried cranberries and slivered almonds (very, very good). It came with about 2 baby carrots and 4-5 green beans. We also ordered a side of their excellent grilled asparagus to share. A glass of merlot for me and an ale for him. Thoroughly enjoyed it all.

And then we decided to split one more serving.... not including the side of asparagus. So, 12 oz prime rib for me and 1 1/2 times everything else other than the lovely asparagus. We ate every bite! And honestly, while it was all good, I think that salad with the oh-so-light vinaigrette dressing was the best part!

When I got home, I had another coffee with cream (#4 for the day), and later in the evening, 2 Grissini breadsticks (at different times) and a strawberry sorbet made with 1 cup of frozen local strawberries, 1 Tbsp heavy cream, and water.

I calculated about 1500 calories for the day, 94 grams of protein - that's just guessing at the fat that was used for the veggies and salad dressing, of course. I figured I'd gain for sure! Colour me amazed this morning! I think I'm in love with the Potato Hack!
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Buttoni, how fantastic that you were able to figure it out!! I LOVE this Forum... !!!!
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Down 1.0 lbs today, 169.9... I'm shocked.

.... I figured I'd gain for sure! Colour me amazed this morning! I think I'm in love with the Potato Hack!
I'm delighted for you and that the Potato Hack (PH) suits you so well.

I should clarify that it's not that we're concerned about the fat re-introduction as far as weight gain, it's more that Yennie had a very rough ride when she ate fat again after being fat-free during her PH. I was very cautious because I'd done the PH for 28 days and there was a good chance that I'd overload my gut flora with unfamiliar substances if I hadn't gradually brought the fat back into my diet.

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SlowSure, I think I've figured it out now.
Thank goodness for your record keeping. I'm so pleased that you've sleuthed your way to the most plausible explanation.

Fingers crossed that it proves to be the lupin flour and that you have such a straightforward remedy in eliminating it.
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Curious about one thing... When you've ended your Potato (only) Hack, do you continue to eat some potato in the following days? I have a sweet potato in the kitchen that is calling my name, but I also want to have it with some chicken.

I'm getting ready to go to Portland in a few days for the blues festival and want to be eating more or less "normally" by then, so hopefully the fair food won't hit me quite as harshly. Thank goodness the hotel has a breakfast buffet sort of thing so at least one meal might be healthy. I'll get some fruit for the room, as well.
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Yes, Slow, I'm keeping my fingers crossed, too. I'm going to resume Round 2 of my Potato Hack on Wednesday. My website made it to 1,000,000 hits today!! I've said to DH now for 4 years that when I hit 1,000,000 visitors, we were celebrating at Cheeves Brothers Steak House, the nicest restaurant in town. Steak and their wonderful creamed spinach is on the menu.
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Curious about one thing... When you've ended your Potato (only) Hack, do you continue to eat some potato in the following days? I have a sweet potato in the kitchen that is calling my name, but I also want to have it with some chicken.

I'm getting ready to go to Portland in a few days for the blues festival and want to be eating more or less "normally" by then, so hopefully the fair food won't hit me quite as harshly. Thank goodness the hotel has a breakfast buffet sort of thing so at least one meal might be healthy. I'll get some fruit for the room, as well.
I have been more successful when I resumed back to my usual paleo low carb diet. I have tried to transition to a mcdougall diet (starch based) but end up with fatigue and end up overeating. I'm not saying I've given up on it.
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Curious about one thing... When you've ended your Potato (only) Hack, do you continue to eat some potato in the following days? I have a sweet potato in the kitchen that is calling my name, but I also want to have it with some chicken.
Eat it if you want it. After 28 days, I was only too ready to relegate any more potato to DH for the next few weeks.

Have a super time at the festival.
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'm going to resume Round 2 of my Potato Hack on Wednesday. My website made it to 1,000,000 hits today!! I've said to DH now for 4 years that when I hit 1,000,000 visitors, we were celebrating at Cheeves Brothers Steak House, the nicest restaurant in town.
1,000,000 hits is some milestone. Many congratulations

Creamed spinach is a thing of loveliness when executed well and it sounds like that Steak House knows what it is doing.

I'll be so interested to see what happens during Round 2 of your PH.
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Thanks Slow. You know I'll post how Round 2 goes for me.
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I may have overdone the starch yesterday. I had oatmeal, a pumpkin seed cracker (one serving), and about 170 grams of sweet potato yesterday, the last 70 or so umm.. quite close to bedtime. I'm up 0.4 today to 170.4. Not sweating it, but possibly that last 70 grams of sweet potato wasn't exactly needed
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I took a hiatus this weekend from Saturday dinner to Sunday dinner (about a 26 hour hiatus). This actually feels pretty good - felt good Saturday, Sunday, and have plenty of energy today. It improves three days. I have problems with fatigue on the potato hack.

I noticed my daughter stopped eating (she just feels like she will "barf" she said if she eats another potato), so I made curried vegetables with garbanzo beans over brown rice and she started eating again. Of course, I can't stay out of this (delicious), so I will report back on how well this works.
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I got the mastrad microwave potato chip maker and it is awesome!!! I tried both russet and white, the white potato taste the best. I patted the slices with a paper towel, salt them and microwaved for 5 min and they tasted just like potato chips! I see that pampered chef makes the same trays. I've seen that you can put the slices on a paper towel but I think the key is the air circulating underneath the trays. I am pleased.
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Hmm, I will have to look into the chip maker.

I can report back already. My daughter announced the rice is not working. I have to agree. By the time I went to bed I had eaten a lot more than usual. Sigh.
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