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Old 05-17-2013, 10:53 AM   #1531
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Thanks Shelbyla! I love to read about your experience w/ thyroid/adrenals. I have a doctor that I have been speaking to, that I would like to PM you about.
I love her posts too! I was just saying this morning, when I read her posts it makes me want to eat potatoes Love ya Shelby Have a great trip!!! And you rock that bikini.
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Thanks Shelbyla! I love to read about your experience w/ thyroid/adrenals. I have a doctor that I have been speaking to, that I would like to PM you about.
PM'd ya back! Oddly the doc that originally recommended the hCG to me was the one you PM'd me about! At least I got THAT much outta him...

Dawn - you know I WILL have fun and I WILL rock that bikini, dang it! Hey, at 46, I'm just glad that I CAN wear a bikini!
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Have I mentioned that I LUUUUUV these dang green plantains??? Almost a little too much... I've got the peeling and slicing (almost--sliced a chunk out of my knuckle last night! ) and drying all figured out and they are just tasty tasty! And LOTS of RS--I think I probably am eating at least 1/2 of a green plantain daily which if I am getting it right, ends up being somewhere around 20-30g of RS. A whole cooked and cooled potato is about 8g. But yum. Crunchy, tasty, and a nice texture and taste change from taters.
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So glad to hear about the plantains! I have yet to find any? Hoping to see some at the natural grocer!

Yes, you will rock the bikini, so thrilled you are having some fun time.
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I'm still unclear about how you can get into ketosis on the potato hack but I can sure tell that I am!
Ketones are a byproduct of fat mobilization & the use of fat for energy. Basically, when liver glycogen stores are depleted, lipolysis kicks in. The fat (triglycerides) are cleaved into shorter chain fatty acids and through beta-oxidation you end up with acetyl-CoA which can enter the citric acid cycle in the cell to produce ATP. Also, the liver will use the acetyl-CoA to make ketones as well. Ketones can cross the blood brain barrier & can also be used by the brain as fuel (entering the citric acid cycle).

NB: Ketones are, in fact, acidic but a healthy body will use other methods to compensate for this. Diabetic ketoacidosis occurs due to problems with the compensation mechanisms (usually a renal compromise or inability to regulate bicarbonate) - ketosis is not unhealthy for a "normal" human for long term as long as the acid/base compensation mechanisms are in place. I know people used to harass low carbers about being in ketosis back in the day, I don't know if they still do or not now. Maybe LC is mainstream enough now...now people have moved on to harassing IFers!

Anything that mobilizes fat for energy could, in theory, result in ketosis. So obviously low carb, the potatoes do and I would imagine its also possible in an HCG diet but maybe with HCG the build up of ketones is slower & they're utilized before they have a chance to cause symptoms? Don't know.

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So I did 3 whole days of the PH. On the fourth day, Saturday, I had some potatoes around noon. Well, I really started to feel awful so I decided that was enough. I tried to wait the four hours, but cracked after three. I broke with salmon, fage w berries. A couple hours later, I had some nuts. Well, that held me for the night. I did have some wine at a party, but I did not feel the need to eat anything. I know that is dangerous, but I was really just sipping a small amount of wine. I wasn't interested in overdoing it. I was a little hungry when we got home after midnight. I saw the BBQ potato chips trying to lure me over to them. I decided to def skip it. I woke up the same weight as yesterday.
I am still a few pounds over my comfort zone, but I don't think the potato hack was going to fix it. I'll try working out and keeping it low carb. I may try a GYD or egg day later next week, if nothing comes off. It is tough bc correction days used to work, but have very little payoff for me now.
One of the things I wanted out of the potato hack was to increase my intake of resistant starch. My mother died from colon cancer so it was almost a relief to see there is something I can do improve the health of my colon that is so effective.
Another hope, dream and desire was to be able to have some wine or eat a little more freely without a spike on the scale.
By reading a ton of threads over the last few days, I decided to add unmodified potato starch to my diet to increase my intake of resistant starch. I will start with a small amount added to something I am eating, like, my fage or maybe almond butter. I hope it doesn't cause any gains and gives me the benefits of RS.
I did not lose any weight from my PH. I went up one day, came down a little the next, came down a little more, stayed the same. The bummer is that I had gained a few pounds over the week before (just life + mother's day picnic.) Since I figured it was inflammation, I was hoping it would come off. It did not.
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Plantains are another way to get great resistant starch in your diet without bulk. Just a thought.
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Plantains are another way to get great resistant starch in your diet without bulk. Just a thought.
I will def try them. It was probably you and Shelby that had me ready to throw on my shoes and run to the nearest market so I could get the 8-hour process underway. It was pretty late, though. Thanks!
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I am sorry to hear about your mother.

Do you have some Bob's Red Mill Unmodified Starch? I mix mine in water and it doesn't taste. Also, it is half the cals, so instead of 40 cals per tbsp it would be 20. The recommended dose is 3 tbsp per day for colon health. I would start out w/ 1 tbsp and work up to 3. Yes, the colon microbiota is one of the good health benefits.

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Do you have some Bob's Red Mill Unmodified Starch?.
I've been thinking about BRM - it would cost me the equivalent of approx. $14 for a small bag here in the UK but I might just have to bite the bullet because I'd otherwise have to make my own (and that's quite a faff).
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SlowSure, I am on my 2nd week. I take a two day break on Sat/Sun because I really want to eat. Bob's is unmodified and simply raw potato flour, no additives.

I dried plantains outside today because it reached 90 degrees here. Shelby has me anxious to try this treat.

I can pick some up at Sprouts for 3.20 per 24 oz bag. Can you not purchase from Amazon? If you can't find Bob's try to find Green Banana or plantain flour. They both have RS although not quite as much. If you have time to read, we have quite a few who are supp'ing with taters and RS over at Perfect Health. Link in my siggie. RS is excellent for gut health. I am also using the flour for gluten free baking mixed w/ tapioca or rice flour.

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If you have time to read Dr. Jeff Volek's research paper on RS, linked on PHD, it is pretty interesting. He sits on the board for UCAN which is a new sports drink that includes RS for athletes. He found through research that RS...

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No gastric distress, because SuperStarch is a large molecule that passes through the stomach quickly and is digested slowly in the intestines.
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Bob's is unmodified and simply raw potato flour, no additives. ..
I can pick some up at Sprouts for 3.20 per 24 oz bag. Can you not purchase from Amazon? If you can't find Bob's try to find Green Banana or plantain flour. They both have RS although not quite as much. ..
$14 is the Amazon price in the UK why it's so costly here but it is. The cooked potato starch is much cheaper but I can't find another source of raw/unmodified starch.

I've looked in several Caribbean shops for the Green Banana or Plaintain flour but haven't been successful as yet.

I'll take a look at your links, thank you for posting them.
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I found plantains!
A question, though. Why do we dry them instead of just eating them?
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A question, though. Why do we dry them instead of just eating them?
Well you could try and eat them (raw)...


There's a reason plantains are usually boiled or fried. (They're pretty much inedible without a lot of preparation.)..You can dehydrate them to maintain most of the RS but much will depend on whether or not you like them (my DH does, I don't).

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A question, though. Why do we dry them instead of just eating them?
If you like them raw, go ahead.
I dried mine today on very low heat 90 degrees out in the sun. They remind me of banana chips.
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I am on day #4 of the potato hack and getting the same results as last time. I have dropped 2.4 lbs in 3 days of hacking!! I am quite excited. Not down to where I was when I finished my last hack, but getting there! I am very happy, once again!!! Nothing but taters, coffee and water. Very boring, but at least it is working!
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I'm currently 4:3'ing and want to try a potato day today (only had coffee so far). Do I still only eat 500 calories worth or do you eat more on potato days? It makes me nervous to eat potatoes because all we've been told is how "bad" they are for you and your blood sugar/insulin levels but I'm curious if this might help my carb sensitivity.
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I don't think anyone can predict what it might do to your carb sensitivity.

The usual recommendation is to eat to the point of satiety when doing a potato hack, that's for DDs and UDs - don't count the calories.

I can't really comment as doing the extended potato hack obliterated my appetite so I nowhere near made my calories on either day of the rotation.
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I can't really comment as doing the extended potato hack obliterated my appetite so I nowhere near made my calories on either day of the rotation.
I guess that's a good thing? LOL I think I'll try it today...I don't really have much to lose since I've pretty much stayed the same doing 4:3/5:2 for the last 3 weeks!
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I titrated up to the first hack, because I was very low carb for a few years before trying this. I had one tater every day for lunch for a week and then went straight into the my first hack. I have not stopped eating taters since.
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I am starting my first PH day today. It's a DD for me, but I think I will just eat to satiety as many here have suggested. I brought just over a pound of cold boiled gold potatoes to work along with some sea salt and malt vinegar. If I am still hungry tonight I will make more taters for dinner. I think I will try to do today and tomorrow with taters, as Fridays I typically go out and have Mexican food/Margaritas. Depending on how these 2 days go, I may try a longer hack next week. Hoping for good results!
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I'm currently 4:3'ing and want to try a potato day today (only had coffee so far). Do I still only eat 500 calories worth or do you eat more on potato days? It makes me nervous to eat potatoes because all we've been told is how "bad" they are for you and your blood sugar/insulin levels but I'm curious if this might help my carb sensitivity.
I think it will help for, at least, a little bit of time.
Yesterday, I did my first DD. I kept it simple by eating six hardboiled eggs spaced out into three meals. I thought I'd work off the egg ACD. It worked. I was down 2 lbs. today.
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I guess that's a good thing? LOL I think I'll try it today...I don't really have much to lose since I've pretty much stayed the same doing 4:3/5:2 for the last 3 weeks!
Nicole, I just realized your question re the DD potato hack. I hope it is not too late, but I have read you are supposed to stay under 500 cal. Good Luck!
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I have had good success with the potato hack while keeping my calories under 800. If I am following JUDDD I often do a DD a few times a week (maintenance) eating only potatoes and I would then stay under 500. I have this weekend free form any social obligations so I am starting the potato hack today to bring my weight down a little bit more and then go back to JUDDD for maintenance again. My weight is 147.6 as of this morning and I would love to be under 145 next week sometime.
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. I have this weekend free form any social obligations so I am starting the potato hack today to bring my weight down a little bit more and then go back to JUDDD for maintenance again. My weight is 147.6 as of this morning and I would love to be under 145 next week sometime.
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Ok, restart! Potatoes lost that round. Husband came home yesterday with all of the great food that he and his friends didn't eat on the weekend and I put the bowl of potatoes in the fridge. Current weight is 148.8 but I am pretty sure that is a salt induced gain that should come off quickly if I follow the potato hack for a few days.
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I seem to be doing the potato hack JUDDD style as in every second day I am doing a potato DD followed by an UD. I have the willpower to eat potatoes only for one day. I am back down to 146.2 this morning so I am not complaining. I am hoping that the scale will be 145 by Friday.
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I seem to be doing the potato hack JUDDD style as in every second day I am doing a potato DD followed by an UD. I have the willpower to eat potatoes only for one day. I am back down to 146.2 this morning so I am not complaining. I am hoping that the scale will be 145 by Friday.
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