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Old 05-14-2013, 12:01 PM   #1501
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Oh and I believe people are eating to their hearts content of potatoes (no calorie counting) with the potato hack. From what I've read on blogs?? I was trying to watch calories just for JUDDD benefits before. One day eating six and the next potato day eating 8 and I actually lost more eating 8. But ik everyone's different!
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What is the minimum and maximum number of cals you guys shoot for? ...

I was only down 1.6 from my 5.2 gain from Sunday. I ate. 600 cals yesterday.
I've seen some people gained and that scares the tar out of me!...
Please advise on too much or not enough.
As far as I can tell, it's not possible to predict whether someone will lose or gain on the hack (it seems from reports that the majority lose rather than gain).

I didn't aim for a number of calories as such - the advice is to eat to satiety. I'd have been startled if that meant 2500kcals or more.

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Yes, gilly, I'm starting today. About to go eat my first taters, but not sure how much to eat. The baby yellows I halved look really good and really small. Maybe I'll measure put 4oz.

Do you do every other day? I'm doing today through Thursday. I'm praying I don't gain since I'm already 5.8 over LDW.
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gilly and shelby, what is your goal weight?
i'm at 137.2(134.2 last saturday, grrr) and goal is 130.
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My problem with the DDH is that I want something else in the evenings besides potatoes...coffee w/cream (measured and limited), or a diet treat if not both, and won't that mess up the hack?
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Gator, did u start today? I'll do a 3 day with u! But I have to start tomorrow. I'm an idiot. I was doing well with the potato hack and then had a potato day scheduled on Mother's Day but we had a dinner etc so I decided to make it an upday.. Long story short, the combination of my feastivus and t.o.m., I'm up to about 140.
Hey! I am popping over from the hcg (P4) threads. I am up for the 3-day potato hack. I will start tomorrow, too. I am up a little from LDW and cannot seem to get away with much.
I did this hack before, but I will have to go back and read the thread to see how many days I did -- I bet four. It worked for a while. I could use the benefits again. I don't want to stress every time the social calendar calls. It is no way to live.
I am going to put some russets in a crock pot with veg broth overnight. I'll do the bulletproof coffee early. At lunch, I'll start the cold potatoes with S&P and malt vinegar.
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My problem with the DDH is that I want something else in the evenings besides potatoes...coffee w/cream (measured and limited), or a diet treat if not both, and won't that mess up the hack?
I would skip the cream. When I first started I would drink some red velvet or vanilla rooibos tea with a splash of SF vanilla syrup. Then I had a treat that was PH approved.
In theory as long as there is no fat and very low calories you won't mess up the hack BUT the whole point of potatoes only is the satiety factor involved. If you start adding other things you might awaken the hunger beast and that risk, to me, isn't worth it.
You can see what happens if you tweak it but, like JUDDD, I'd try it straight first before trying to mess with it much.
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:57 PM   #1508
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gilly and shelby, what is your goal weight?
i'm at 137.2(134.2 last saturday, grrr) and goal is 130.
Goal is 120-125 for me. Cooking potatoes for tomorrow. Ps I like that idea of potatoes + veg broth in the crockpot. How much of each and how long/what temp do u set em at?
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I think I might try a PD tomorrow for my MD. I've been losing well so it makes me a bit nervous that I might gain but my last and only MD turned into an UD and I don't want that to happen this time. I will be having two UD's this weekend (going to Disneyland for a girls weekend) and would like into the weekend down a bit more.
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I do all of my potato DD's with coffee with HWC for breakfast and then wait until noon to start the cold boiled potatoes. Course I eat breakfast between 5:30 and 6am so that gives me a good 6 hours between cream and potatoes.
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I guess I did the PH, but I didn't eat any more potatoes after lunch. I had 2 fudgesicles last night, and a 2 cups of coffee with cream. Probably will never be able to eat only potatoes for a day, much less longer than that. At least in the foreseeable future. However, I can always incorporate them into my reg. DD.

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I guess I did the PH, but I didn't eat any more potatoes after lunch...Probably will never be able to eat only potatoes for a day, much less longer than that...
You don't like rice? Or the notion of (say) having congee for your evening meal/snack if you can't bear the thought of another potato?
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I just have a routine and it involves coffee w/cream in the evenings. Every day. On DDs, it's much less cream, but it's something I don't like to do without. It's like my after work "drink". It interferes with any hack, so I doubt I could do the PH with or without rice. It's not that I was overly hungry or couldn't eat "just" potatoes...but I couldn't go without my "drink", and also my bedtime treat.
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Goal is 120-125 for me. Cooking potatoes for tomorrow. Ps I like that idea of potatoes + veg broth in the crockpot. How much of each and how long/what temp do u set em at?
So I popped about six russets into the crock pot so they had some space between them. I put about two cups of veg broth. It came up about 1/4 inch on the potatoes. I put the crock pot on high for an hour. I'll switch to low for about three hours while I meet a friend at the gym and run errands.
Since I am going to the gym, I decided I should eat a potato in the AM. I just microwaved it, so it is baked potato style. I put cinnamon and stevia on it bc I have a sweet tooth. It is good bc I cannot take vitamins on an empty stomach.
I figure about three russets are a pound. I hope to stay between under two pounds a day.
I plan on eating the rest cold with SP and malt vinegar.
BTW, I'll reuse the broth when I do another pot of potatoes later today. I'd like to have my three-days worth cooked and ready to go. Also, I have kids so I need to have some extra in case they want one. They are more into pasta and rice, though.

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So I popped about six russets into the crock pot so they had some space between them. I put about two cups of veg broth. It came up about 1/4 inch on the potatoes. I put the crock pot on high for an hour. I'll switch to low for about three hours while I meet a friend at the gym and run errands.
Since I am going to the gym, I decided I should eat a potato in the AM. I just microwaved it, so it is baked potato style. I put cinnamon and stevia on it bc I have a sweet tooth. It is good bc I cannot take vitamins on an empty stomach.
I figure about three russets are a pound. I hope to stay between under two pounds a day.
I plan on eating the rest cold with SP and malt vinegar.
BTW, I'll reuse the broth when I do another pot of potatoes later today. I'd like to have my three-days worth cooked and ready to go. Also, I have kids so I need to have some extra in case they want one. They are more into pasta and rice, though.
Awesome!! You're pretty creative in finding ways to make it work/bearable for u! Thanks for sharing the advice! And haha I know, I watch my cousins kids and had a potato and the little girl was like, well can I have a potato? I was like I guess.. But I don't think ur gonna like it, it's pretty plain. And she ate it and was like, mmm I love potatoes! So I always make an extra for backup now!
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hi guys. well, i was down .8. i'd be excited if i were coming off a low instead of a 5.2 gain! how come it took one day to gain 5.2, and most of it has to be water and/or inflamation, yet here i am 2 days later and have lost only 2.2! at this rate, i won't even have it off for the dinner friday night. this has been the last 20 yrs of my life.

anyway, doing another potato day so we shall see what tomorrow brings. ate about 2lbs worth yesterday so around 800 cals and 600 monday(not potatoes), but still haven't made up for pancakes and yogurt pie

anybody else doing it today?
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I recommend weighing the potatoes if you are trying to keep up with the calorie count. They can be deceptive little creatures.
I only do potato DD's and that was yesterday so regular food today.

I have discovered that a 16 ounce potato is WAY too big for a meal for me now. I used to easily eat a 16 ounce baked potato as a meal not along with other food.
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I agree with Adi. If you're tracking you need to measure.
A 0.8# loss for potatoes is great. Those who lose average 0.5-1#/day so you're right in the middle. I don't know how coming off HCG affects metabolism & weight loss post-HCG but I can't think of any plan that would allow for a 5# loss in 3-4 days. Potatoes are awesome but even they aren't that awesome.
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hi guys. well, i was down .8. i'd be excited if i were coming off a low instead of a 5.2 gain! how come it took one day to gain 5.2, and most of it has to be water and/or inflamation, yet here i am 2 days later and have lost only 2.2! at this rate, i won't even have it off for the dinner friday night. this has been the last 20 yrs of my life.

anyway, doing another potato day so we shall see what tomorrow brings. ate about 2lbs worth yesterday so around 800 cals and 600 monday(not potatoes), but still haven't made up for pancakes and yogurt pie

anybody else doing it today?
I completely know what you mean. When u get that 1-2 day 5lb weight gain you expect the same amount of time to lose it. And I believe you will.. The potatoes in ur body I think just make u weigh heavier. That's what happened with me. Once I went to the bathroom I weighed lighter and stomach was flatter. Another thing I've done that has worked to get rid of the 3-5lb gain is 2 32oz tubs of light and fit yogurt (eating nothing else). I feel like I have 3 weapons now: yogurt fast, egg fast, and potato fast. I'm diggin potatoes though. I feel more satisfied and love that its an unprocessed non-dairy food.
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i did weigh the potatoes, that's how i knew how much i ate. the calories are a little iffy b/c different sites have different #s.
i ate 4oz baby yellows lunch and 4 oz snack baked and weighed after baking

8oz late afternoon of small reds, boiled and weighed after boiling
8oz dinner of above.
finished by 6:30

only added small amount of malt vinegar and black coffee.

gilly, i've only tried the 32oz of full fat fage and that didn't work for me. you're saying you ate 2 tubs of 32oz of light and fit(that's fat free, right?) plain or a flavor?

what do you eat on your egg fast? that's about the only one i haven't tried.

i'm actually thinking about going on the drops again to get this off.

i'll see what happens in the next two days.

also, i just thinly sliced some russets, or idaho(they are the same thing aren't they??) so do i weigh them now or prior, b/c they sure have shrunk?
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Yes, gilly, I'm starting today. About to go eat my first taters, but not sure how much to eat. The baby yellows I halved look really good and really small. Maybe I'll measure put 4oz.

Do you do every other day? I'm doing today through Thursday. I'm praying I don't gain since I'm already 5.8 over LDW.
Eat to satiety. Do NOT starve yourself to get the weight off. If you are eating less than 1200 calories daily, your body will go into starvation mode and will hang on to every ounce of weight that it can. Folks eating the 600-800 calorie days are usually doing JUDDD which is alternating calorie days.

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gilly and shelby, what is your goal weight?
i'm at 137.2(134.2 last saturday, grrr) and goal is 130.
I am 5'9" and my goal is between 140 and 150. You are 5'8" and your goal is 130? I think you might need to adjust that but that's JMHO.

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My problem with the DDH is that I want something else in the evenings besides potatoes...coffee w/cream (measured and limited), or a diet treat if not both, and won't that mess up the hack?
As long as you keep 4-6 hours between potatoes and treats theoretically it's fine. Yennie is right though. I tried my first hack "pure" just to see how it worked for me. I DO think it takes a few days to see weight go down.

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hi guys. well, i was down .8. i'd be excited if i were coming off a low instead of a 5.2 gain! how come it took one day to gain 5.2, and most of it has to be water and/or inflamation, yet here i am 2 days later and have lost only 2.2! at this rate, i won't even have it off for the dinner friday night. this has been the last 20 yrs of my life.

anyway, doing another potato day so we shall see what tomorrow brings. ate about 2lbs worth yesterday so around 800 cals and 600 monday(not potatoes), but still haven't made up for pancakes and yogurt pie

anybody else doing it today?
Yup. I'm on day 3 today. Haven't seen my weight move since the weekend but I'm cool with that. Just experimenting right now and as I said, I usually see good results after days 3-5

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i did weigh the potatoes, that's how i knew how much i ate. the calories are a little iffy b/c different sites have different #s.
i ate 4oz baby yellows lunch and 4 oz snack baked and weighed after baking

8oz late afternoon of small reds, boiled and weighed after boiling
8oz dinner of above.
finished by 6:30

only added small amount of malt vinegar and black coffee.

also, i just thinly sliced some russets, or idaho(they are the same thing aren't they??) so do i weigh them now or prior, b/c they sure have shrunk?
Personally, since you are potato fasting, as opposed to doing potato DDs, I wouldn't count calories or worry too much about weighing. I eat between 1 and 2 pounds per day but thats just an estimate. Just eat until you are full. All your condiments seem fine, btw.

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Personally, since you are potato fasting, as opposed to doing potato DDs, I wouldn't count calories or worry too much about weighing. I eat between 1 and 2 pounds per day but thats just an estimate. Just eat until you are full. All your condiments seem fine, btw.

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Yeah! 2 of those purple light n fit containers (flavored). It adds up to about 880 calories for the day, so, I think that and the fact that its a monotonous diet w/no fat and how yogurt helps w/belly fat-the combination of it all just works. I started trying it when my bro told me that's how he'd cut before a wrestling match and still be able to eat. The only problem is that all the dairy will prob back u up for a day. Same with the egg one. Egg fast I just eat as many eggs as I want with salsa or pico de gallo through out the day. I think its prob better for me to use these fasts as down days though to keep things moving. I don't think I will be doing the 3 day fast.. Today I ate a quarter of a potato that tasted funny and was grey-- that pretty much killed my appetite for potatoes for the day.
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This is a really good point. This thread was originally populated by mostly JUDDDers and so that's the mindset from which a lot of the advice is coming from. Starvation mode is a real possibility, I think, with a multi-day and I have absolutely no idea how going from HCG to the potato hack would affect metabolism.
The original concept came from (I think) the paleo blogs and Mark's Daily Apple. Folks over there do it for days on end, as have a few people from here. I did a 7 day and ate around 8-900 calories of potatoes but had 2-300 calories of cream, coffee & usually a bit of something else in the morning to get the day started. It was separated by 4+ hours, of course, but it was there.
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The same thing happened last time. I think it is from the salt. Today, I'll skip it and just use malt vinegar. I was planning on doing three days. I may have to add another day if I follow the same path as last time by going down 2.5 lb over days 4 and 5. I have a party Sat night and Sunday, but maybe I can just lay low and not partake in the food and drink. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
I think I ate a little over 2 lbs of potatoes yesterday. I am hoping to eat less today.
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stayed the same today so still 3lbs up since sunday and .8 down from my 2 days of potatoes. i'm really bloated and didn't poop yesterday. i've been taking 2 aloe pills at 5pm every day and that's been giving me something-i'd give a 3 out of 10 if it were a dive .
anyway, 2lbs of potatoes and no bm is not fun. i feel like i'm stuffing a straw with socks if you know what i mean.

suggestions? i guess i'll stick with it one more day.

does anyone else have anything that helped them drop from a 5lb gain in one day, that after three days of clean eating has taken off only 2 of it??? so much for calories in calories out
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Day2, +.5.
The same thing happened last time. I think it is from the salt. Today, I'll skip it and just use malt vinegar. I was planning on doing three days. I may have to add another day if I follow the same path as last time by going down 2.5 lb over days 4 and 5. I have a party Sat night and Sunday, but maybe I can just lay low and not partake in the food and drink. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
I think I ate a little over 2 lbs of potatoes yesterday. I am hoping to eat less today.
Last time I hacked I went to a party on Saturday night and HAD a mini-party Sunday. I just ate potatoes and did ok with club soda. Of course these were close personal friends who are intimately familiar with my weird eating!

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stayed the same today so still 3lbs up since sunday and .8 down from my 2 days of potatoes. i'm really bloated and didn't poop yesterday. i've been taking 2 aloe pills at 5pm every day and that's been giving me something-i'd give a 3 out of 10 if it were a dive .
anyway, 2lbs of potatoes and no bm is not fun. i feel like i'm stuffing a straw with socks if you know what i mean.

suggestions? i guess i'll stick with it one more day.

does anyone else have anything that helped them drop from a 5lb gain in one day, that after three days of clean eating has taken off only 2 of it??? so much for calories in calories out
Dara - Ok...first off... for feeling like a straw-stuffed sock.

Second, I really shouldn't laugh but...straw stuffed sock made me ...

I hope the aloe helps with the BM and you get things moving today.

I will bet money that when you go OFF the potato hack and if you go back to high fat/low carb that you will see some of that weight drop off. From water weight if nothing else. The hack has more benefits than just weight loss. There is definitely some "resetting" that goes on from re-introducing carbs. FOR ME, it helped more with the carb sensitivity and every time I do it, I find that I get less and less sensitive.

Next time, I am planning to alternate rice and potatoes to see if I can decrease rice sensitivity. It's an ongoing experiment of n = 1!

Yennie - on your point of the JUDDD vs hCG potato hacks, when you are on hCG, your body is releasing stored fat so you're really not existing on 500 calories per day but more 500 + whatever your body is releasing. After your vlcp (very low calorie protocol), you are supposed to find a good calorie level for you and try to stay within two pounds of your last dose weight. A lot of people automatically reduce calories because that's what we've always been taught to do to get the weight off. Stupid ADA! As I understand JUDDD (I did it for a short time but had binge issues on UDs), your calories actually average out to a normal'ish level, especially if you are not at diet levels on DDs. I think my numbers for maintenance were something like 800 on DDs and 2300 on UDs??? So an average of 1550, which isn't super high but also isn't starvation levels. I worry that on the potato hack, if you do it for a long time or try to eat really small amounts, that we put ourselves on that starvation diet. I have been eyeballing it mostly and eating to hunger (usually one large plus one small or 3 medium taters for a meal) but with my BP coffee in the morning plus potatoes plus about 1 large green plantain daily I think I'm hitting about 1300 calories. And I'm full which is awesome!

Going strong on day 4. Down a pound from Monday. Here's hoping for a little more tomorrow!
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I don't know if I am ready, but I might read up on JUDDD. I just do not like feeling restricted. I need to figure something out though bc I do gain easily. I do not lose easily. I am hoping the potato hack helps with the sensitivity. I do not want to have to think about my daily food intake so much. I need a break. I think the UD could help. However, I am afraid that I will feel trapped on a DD.
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Last time I hacked I went to a party on Saturday night and HAD a mini-party Sunday. I just ate potatoes and did ok with club soda. Of course these were close personal friends who are intimately familiar with my weird eating!



Dara - Ok...first off... for feeling like a straw-stuffed sock.

Second, I really shouldn't laugh but...straw stuffed sock made me ...

I hope the aloe helps with the BM and you get things moving today.

I will bet money that when you go OFF the potato hack and if you go back to high fat/low carb that you will see some of that weight drop off. From water weight if nothing else. The hack has more benefits than just weight loss. There is definitely some "resetting" that goes on from re-introducing carbs. FOR ME, it helped more with the carb sensitivity and every time I do it, I find that I get less and less sensitive.

Next time, I am planning to alternate rice and potatoes to see if I can decrease rice sensitivity. It's an ongoing experiment of n = 1!

Yennie - on your point of the JUDDD vs hCG potato hacks, when you are on hCG, your body is releasing stored fat so you're really not existing on 500 calories per day but more 500 + whatever your body is releasing. After your vlcp (very low calorie protocol), you are supposed to find a good calorie level for you and try to stay within two pounds of your last dose weight. A lot of people automatically reduce calories because that's what we've always been taught to do to get the weight off. Stupid ADA! As I understand JUDDD (I did it for a short time but had binge issues on UDs), your calories actually average out to a normal'ish level, especially if you are not at diet levels on DDs. I think my numbers for maintenance were something like 800 on DDs and 2300 on UDs??? So an average of 1550, which isn't super high but also isn't starvation levels. I worry that on the potato hack, if you do it for a long time or try to eat really small amounts, that we put ourselves on that starvation diet. I have been eyeballing it mostly and eating to hunger (usually one large plus one small or 3 medium taters for a meal) but with my BP coffee in the morning plus potatoes plus about 1 large green plantain daily I think I'm hitting about 1300 calories. And I'm full which is awesome!

Going strong on day 4. Down a pound from Monday. Here's hoping for a little more tomorrow!
shelby, your post made me feel better. if i can somehow desensitize my body to carbs it could change the way i live, well, that and sodium.

what do you suggest i eat tomorrow coming off of this 3 day hack?

btw, i did have some relief from the aloe today. Yippee! i really need to find these dancing icons, i'd put the party one. i hit the paper and pen thing at the end of your post, but don't see the icons on the side. let's see if the quote shows up.

also, have you known anyone to go on the injections for a wk or 10 days to get off 5lbs that won't budge? i did the homeopathic for 23 days last time, didn't cheat in p2or 3 and still have had trouble.

the endocrinologist said i could get a month worth of injections that last 6 mos. to a year.
i'm thinking about going to get them today or tomorrow. thoughts?
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shelby, your post made me feel better. if i can somehow desensitize my body to carbs it could change the way i live, well, that 1. and sodium.

2. what do you suggest i eat tomorrow coming off of this 3 day hack?

3. also, have you known anyone to go on the injections for a wk or 10 days to get off 5lbs that won't budge? i did the homeopathic for 23 days last time, didn't cheat in p2or 3 and still have had trouble.

the endocrinologist said i could get a month worth of injections that last 6 mos. to a year.
i'm thinking about going to get them today or tomorrow. thoughts?
Dara - a couple of points...

- you seem like you might have thyroid adrenal issues and if you have issues with salt almost certainly so. Two things might help that. Switch to Celtic Grey Sea Salt or Himalayan Pink Sea Salt. Both of them help with sodium balance. Also, if you don't regularly supplement potassium, you might consider that as well.

- coming off the hack, I've done it two ways: first hack, I did a low carb follow up which was great. That might work for you if you are still wanting to drop the extra pounds. This last hack, ate taters for lunch and "regular" dinners including small portions of starches including taters, sweet potatoes, rice and even some bread. During that week I stayed within 1 pound of where I started. So for me that was good for maintenance.

- on doing hCG for a week or 10 days, if you were only in the first two weeks of P3, I'd say go for it. But you're well into P4 and I really hesitate to recommend doing less than the 3 weeks of protocol. I just feel like you'll not stabilize very well or regain anything that you lose in the shorter timeframe. You've also been eating VERY light so you would probably be best re-loading which will undoubtedly put on a few pounds, if simply because of the low cals you've been on for a while. I just would hesitate to deviate too much, ESPECIALLY with the shots. As always, your course is completely up to you but those are just my thoughts.

Good luck however you decide to go forward!
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