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Old 02-27-2013, 02:09 PM   #1291
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berta....i am planning to start doing potatoes on my DDs....i am not planning on counting. i think some do, some don't.
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berta....i am planning to start doing potatoes on my DDs....i am not planning on counting. i think some do, some don't.
I made some homemade potato chips in the microwave today and they were really good. Next time I think I will sprinle some McCormick BBQ seasoning on them!Tomorrow is a DD so zI am going to try it and see if I loose on the next DD morning

I just peeled and washed the taters then sliced them very thin and layed them on a paper plate and zapped for about 5 min.You have to watch them close and when they start to crisp up take them out let them cool and eat!!They get more like a chip when they are cooled off.
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I am wondering if I do the Potato Hack on my DD do I count the calories or just eat potatoes until I am full?
Berta, when I do the PH, I count everything! The first time I did it, I did not count & regretted it!! Then, when I began to count, it worked beautifully! I could not believe that my cravings for junk went completely away. I was satisfied all day long! I hope it works well for you!
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I made some homemade potato chips in the microwave today and they were really good. Next time I think I will sprinle some McCormick BBQ seasoning on them!Tomorrow is a DD so zI am going to try it and see if I loose on the next DD morning

I just peeled and washed the taters then sliced them very thin and layed them on a paper plate and zapped for about 5 min.You have to watch them close and when they start to crisp up take them out let them cool and eat!!They get more like a chip when they are cooled off.
Tried this, very very yummy. I used a bit of the Johnny's seasoning salt - ok, I used a lot of the seasoning salt. Mine may have been too thick as it took about 8-9 minutes for them to be done but so satisfying to have a crunch. Then I made ranch dip using fat free greek yogurt & low cal ranch powder mix. Just sprinkled a little of the ranch into the yogurt & mixed. Dipped my chips in there to replicate one of my all time favorite junk food meals: Ruffles & ranch dip!!!
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:34 AM   #1296
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I did eat a large quantity of mashed potatoes for breakfast one morning (maybe 3 potatoes' worth), and that was my worst day. I have decided to move away from mashed, except for a treat in controlled situations.

I do best eating as few potatoes as possible - usually none for breakfast, just two for lunch around 11:00 am, maybe two around 4:00, then around three of them in the evening. When I eat in pairs, I pick a small and medium. I sprinkle with chili pepper, curry powder, and sometimes vinegar. Definitely eat when really hungry (if hunger passes in 15-20 minutes, I don't), and I drink plenty of chai or cinnamon apple tea all day long and coffee in the morning, no cream, just pure stevia to sweeten now (did use Splenda the first few weeks but was going hog wild with the splenda)

Mashing them with bone broth disrupts my ability to do this (I can even eat a lot of these cold), so I will go back to roasting in crock pot and having bone broth on the side. Just my experience. I haven't weighed in yet this week, but I don't think it will be good. I find I don't know how many potatoes I am eating when I mash them and can eat much more than usual.
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Can this be done with sweet potatoes?
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Can this be done with sweet potatoes?
I've never really gotten a concrete answer to this but my feeling is no, you can't. There are some who say absolutely not, there are some who've had success adding in a bit of sweet potato, but no more than 10-15% of the total potato load overall.

I've made the personal decision to not use sweet potatoes, because I'm having success with the russets and yukon golds.
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Oooh, if I have sweet potato's, it has to be with all the trimmings - butter, sweetner and marshmallows melted on top

Will stick to russets and yukon golds. . . . for the hack. . . . .
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So how does the potatoe hack work?

How many calories ? Do I just stay within my daily allowance
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I have been doing the Potato Hack for about 6 months in various forms, and would love to share some of the things I've learned in that time.

I'm a 48yo guy, went from 250 to 180 with LC over 2 years, then from 180 to 165 with potatoes over 2 months. I now keep my weight in a very tight range around 170 using the potato trick.

I eat very healthy, carbs in the 100-150 range every day, this keeps me warm, full of energy, and able to work out. Cutting to below 100 makes me cold and unable to do even basic exercise with much ooomph. The trouble is, it also leads to a bit of weight gain.

As soon as I see the scale hit 175, I do a potato diet until the scale hits 168. This usually takes about 5-7 days. I've only had to do it once since Christmas, so I don't think I'm in a dangerous yo-yo pattern.

When I do the potato diet, here's what I do:
- Buy 10 pounds of smallish reds, about golf-ball to tennis ball size, and 10 pounds of bigger ones like russets or yukon golds, about 1/2 pound in size (baseball).

- Immediately boil 5 pounds of the reds, don't boil too long, just until you can poke them with a knife. Cool and keep in fridge.

- Skip breakfast, eat 2 of the bigger potatoes for lunch, 2-3 of the bigger potatoes for dinner, and if snacks are needed outside meal times, sprinkle salt on a cold red potato and munch on that.

- I don't eat anything other than potatoes. If I have so much as a couple almonds or a piece of cheese, I might as well call it quits. The cravings hit hard. When I stick to just spuds, I can go indefinitely. I made it 14 days once!

- To prepare the larger potatoes for meals, I like baked potatoes to eat while at work because they are so easy. Fix the night before and heat in microwave. Sometimes I will dip it in ketchup/mustard, like 1 packet per potato, and I always salt pretty heavily. For dinner, I like to slice or shred and dry-fry. I could eat these hashbrowns every day! I use salt, pepper, and vinegar.

- I have tried mixing other foods, but it doesn't work for me. Same as using butter or oil to cook in, the satiety effect is gone.

- I have found that in adding potatoes to my menu most every day when not doing a potato diet, my weight is much more stable and my energy level is very high. On LC I was subject to pretty wild weight swings if I ate off-plan, nowdays my weight is very stable day to day.

- When coming off a potato diet, I expect to regain about 2 pounds over the next week or so, but most of the weightloss is fat it seems. I always experience a loss of waist inches and never a loss of energy or muscle as noted in the gym.

- When doing a potato diet, I lay off of working out that week and just walk for exercise. No running or lifting etc...


If you have any questions, let me know!
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Otzi--

A lot of folks try the hack and give up because they have an initially awful reaction. I try and encourage them to keep trying--that something ends up detoxifying or working through or the like--that the initial insulin crisis won't happen every time they eat a potato--just wondered if you had any further thoughts on that.

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A lot of folks try the hack and give up because they have an initially awful reaction. I try and encourage them to keep trying--that something ends up detoxifying or working through or the like--that the initial insulin crisis won't happen every time they eat a potato--just wondered if you had any further thoughts on that.

Thanks again Otzi

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I'm always happy when I see people talking about the Potato Diet. I think it has the potential to be a game-changer for many and it's so simple it shouldn't turn into a big-profit machine like so many other diet plans (Atkins, Weight Watchers, Paleo, etc...) anybody can do it--Eat Potatoes, Repeat.

I will admit, your head has to be in the game to get started and keep it going. It's hard, but losing weight is hard, and this makes it easier.

I have started a few potato diets and had to quit after a few hours or days just because I hadn't planned ahead enough or forgot about a food-centered event, but the beauty is, you aren't really 'out' anything if that happens. It's a very personal experience that only you control. I find it very empowering once I get going and have 4-5 days under my belt of eating nothing but potatoes--your weight is decreasing daily and you are not hungry, food planning is a breeze, you have extra money, you discover how good potatoes can actually taste not drown in butter and sour cream.

I took a lot of heat over the insulin aspect early on, so I went and bought an Ultra Mini OneTouch glucose monitor and 100 test strips and tested my BG until my fingers were raw.

I found that at first, I would get glucose readings at 200mg/dl an hour after eating 1 pound of potato, but only 140 with a half pound. It would dip to 65 or so at the 3 hour point and quickly climb back to the 80's and level out for the day. The second meal would never cause a spike over 160 no matter how many I ate--even 3 pounds.

My suggestion for anyone who is curious or has had issues with blood glucose, is to buy a $25 meter and a bunch of strips and test yourself at 15 minute intervals for 3 hours after eating 1 big potato. Make a chart with those readings, even if you just hand-draw it on a piece of paper. Keep this chart and compare with other amounts on other days. It's like giving yourself a 3 Hour Oral Glucose Tolerance Test. If you see a spike that is unacceptable to you, you should see a doctor. I think any spike over 200 that lasts more than 30 minutes is probably cause for concern. You should see a climbing trend for about 1 hour, then a sudden drop which will continue for 1-2 more hours ending well below your fasting glucose, and it should then climb to very near your fasting glucose level. 12-16 strips are needed, it's a pain in the butt, but if your only hold-up is worrying about glucose, this is the way to set your mind at ease, and if you see a problem, it's good to find out this way than to go on for years undiagnosed.

People with diabetes and on meds know what they can get away with and whether this is a good diet, they need to think long and hard before they do it, but they already know this.

Hope this helps!

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I just want to mention that I've been taking raw cornstarch (in a glass of cold water) after eating potatoes, and it has prevented the blood sugar "crash" I had the first couple times I tried it.

I got the idea from this study:
Cornstarch ingestion after oral glucose loading: effect on glucose concentrations, hormone response, and symptoms in patients with postprandial hypoglycemic syndrome.
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I just want to mention that I've been taking raw cornstarch (in a glass of cold water) after eating potatoes, and it has prevented the blood sugar "crash" I had the first couple times I tried it.

I got the idea from this study:
Cornstarch ingestion after oral glucose loading: effect on glucose concentrations, hormone response, and symptoms in patients with postprandial hypoglycemic syndrome.
I posted this on the other potato thread:

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I take really green plantains, cut them in thin slices, salt and dry them. A whole plantain contains about 100g of RS, so only a quarter or so of one is needed per day to get more RS than you could ever hope for eating potatoes.

An easy way to handle green plantains (they are almost impossible to peel) is to cut them in half cross-wise and length wise, then kind of roll the meat out of each quarter-section. Take these sections and cut in half again so you end up with 8 pieces shaped like a tongue, about 1/4" thick.

Lay these pieces on a cookie sheet and sprinkle with salt or whatever spice you like (cinnamon, chili, etc...) and either air dry for a couple days or put in a heated oven--but not over 140 degrees! It will ruin the RS presumably if heated too much, they have to air-dry as much as possible.

Anyway, I munch on a few of these with dinner or as a snack. They are just like saltine crackers texture-wise and are good to spread things on, like pate or almond butter.

Alternatively, you can cut the whole thing into rounds and eat them like chips. Just be sure you let them get really, really dry. They taste nasty (bitter) when still moist--you'll see if you try! Without salt they are like a salt-free cracker, very bland, but edible. You have to salt them when you first cut them otherwise it won't stick when they are dried.

Cheap, easy, fun, tasty, and a super resistant starch source.
I read the article you linked. I think it's a great idea if you are worried about a hypoglycemic crash, but like it said, compliance is low because cornstarch is hard to eat. You may want to try a handful of these plantain chips and see if it does the same thing. I would think about 1/4 of a plantain would provide the same amount of starch as 3-4TBS of cornstarch.

Are you checking your BG with a meter? If so, I'd be curious to see what you find. I have checked my BG after eating a large portion of plantain chips and saw that it only went up slightly (120), but I never did a long term test with them and potatoes to check the after-drop.

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Welcome to JUDDD Otzi.
I had to work my way up to a full day of potatoes since they m,ade me REALLY hungry at first. Now I do most DD's as a potato day although I still have breakfast of 2 eggs and coffee with HWC. Nothing until noon and then cold boiled potatoes with salt the rest of the day. it is working well for me in maintenance and I can eat more calories on my DD and still maintain and sometimes I lose.
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...compliance is low because cornstarch is hard to eat. You may want to try a handful of these plantain chips and see if it does the same thing. I would think about 1/4 of a plantain would provide the same amount of starch as 3-4TBS of cornstarch.

Are you checking your BG with a meter? If so, I'd be curious to see what you find. I have checked my BG after eating a large portion of plantain chips and saw that it only went up slightly (120), but I never did a long term test with them and potatoes to check the after-drop.
I really don't find cornstarch hard to take. I stir it into cold water and drink it--it doesn't taste like anything. Buying, slicing, & dehydrating plantains would take a long time & cost more! But your "chips" sound interesting...I ate plantains often when I was a kid; grew up in Costa Rica & Puerto Rico.

I'm low on strips--usually I just test in the morning. If I'm doing an "experiment"/trying a new food, I go through a lot of strips.
I have Type II diabetes, so I'm only doing the hack for a few meals per week. I've had better readings doing the potatoes + cornstarch than I did with potatoes alone.

PS--I'm not entirely sure that the effect raw cornstarch has on blood sugar is entirely due to resistant starch.
As far as I can tell (from reading several forums for parents with children who have Type 1 diabetes or Glycogen Storage Disease), raw cornstarch is rather unique in that it digests very slowly. Replacing it with plantains or other sources of RS might not work...I do think RS is wonderful, and I'm trying to get more of it, but the cornstarch is a bit of a mystery to me.
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Since I don't have any desire to do more than one day at a time of potatoes, I don't see how it could work any better on DDs than nothing at all, or less than 300 calories of other foods....

ETA: I just read Otzi's description of how he follows the hack, and I still *might* try a week one day! He makes it sound so easy!!!

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Since I don't have any desire to do more than one day at a time of potatoes, I don't see how it could work any better on DDs than nothing at all, or less than 300 calories of other foods....

ETA: I just read Otzi's description of how he follows the hack, and I still *might* try a week one day! He makes it sound so easy!!!
It works better than straight fasting because with fasting you're (in theory) creating a calorie deficit so you're working off the calories in, calories out premise (other benefits of JUDDD notwithstanding).

The science of the potato hack is that you're blasting your system with a high glycemic load with no additional fat or protein. Th protein will slow the absorption of the carbs, which negates the big glycemic load.

In order for your body to produce and utilize insulin, you need fat. Normally, when you load your potato with butter and sour cream, you provide the necessary fat for insulin utilization from the dietary source. However, if you don't have any fat (or negligible fat) from a dietary source, your body is forced to mobilize peripheral fat for insulin utilization.

We (mostly me) have been chatting it up on the Paleo board, where there is also a potato hack thread. I'd been stalled for about 2 weeks after a 2 week "vacation" from JUDDD. This is potato hack day 4 and I'm down 3.5#. You can read my daily blogging on the other thread detailing my experiences thus far. And yes I'm sure its not all just water
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I can eat higher calories on DD when I do just cold boiled potatoes so I am not hungry and I still maintain and in fact have lost 3 pounds this month doing the potato DD's. I inched my DD potato calories up to 1000 and I did not gain. I try to do between 600-800 on normal potato DD's. I love the potato miracle.
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In order for your body to produce and utilize insulin, you need fat. Normally, when you load your potato with butter and sour cream, you provide the necessary fat for insulin utilization from the dietary source. However, if you don't have any fat (or negligible fat) from a dietary source, your body is forced to mobilize peripheral fat for insulin utilization.
This is the best explanation I have read so far, I almost get it!
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Since I don't have any desire to do more than one day at a time of potatoes, I don't see how it could work any better...than nothing at all...
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In order for your body to produce and utilize insulin, you need fat... However, if you don't have any fat (or negligible fat) from a dietary source, your body is forced to mobilize peripheral fat for insulin utilization.

Excellent explanation!

I think of the potato hack as being sort of like one of those mythical "negative calorie foods". But in this case, you need extra fat to digest the potatoes, so it's "stolen" from the fat already on your body.
(Just a simplified explanation/visualization I made up. )

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You know, I wonder about this...I think some people are having small amounts of lean protein with the potatoes and doing okay. It might change the satiety factor, but if I eat 100g of carb, wouldn't I need the same amount of insulin regardless of whether it takes me 1 hour or 3 hours to digest it? IDK, and I'm not going to mess with protein at this point, but I'm just curious.

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You know, I wonder about this...I think some people are having small amounts of lean protein with the potatoes and doing okay. It might change the satiety factor, but if I eat 100g of carb, wouldn't I need the same amount of insulin regardless of whether it takes me 1 hour or 3 hours to digest it? IDK, and I'm not going to mess with protein at this point, but I'm just curious.
I'm not 100% sure since all my research was done in T1D so the dietary issues are a little different than for T2D which, I think, is where you'd find the real answer to this question. However, lets posit:
(I recently read the word "posit" in a book and decided I wanted to try to work it into a conversation at some point...yay for me! Good lord I'm a nerd!)

First, not all carbs are created equal. 100g of a monosaccharide will hit the blood stream faster than 100g of a di- or polysaccharide because the bonds between the carbon rings will need to be broken down into monosaccharides before absorption.

In individuals with NORMAL glucose/insulin responses, the insulin response to a glucose load should be fairly predictable. This predictability is the theory behind oral glucose tolerance tests. Drink 50-100g of straight glucose (not sugar, as that is a disaccharide, but actual glucose) and within a certain time frame, blood glucose levels should return to an acceptable level. Failure to do so indicates abnormalities in the glucose/insulin system a la Diabetes. For longer, more complex tests, a glucose curve can track the swings and the insulin spikes.

I think the key to the potato (or rice) hack working is the high glycemic load of the food, which sends the blood glucose skyrocketing (if you'll forgive the unscientific term). Since we know how much the body wants equilibrium, the spike of BG results in a massive insulin dump (why some people end up wiht rebound hypoglycemia - they dump too much insulin). In a panic, the beta cells of the pancreas just start grabbing whatever resources they have to produce that massive insulin spike.

We know from other research that consuming protein with carbs will slow carbohydrate digestion/absorption. Its been recommended to eat protein along with carbs to PREVENT the blood glucose spike followed by the insulin spike. BUT - in this case - that is the exact reaction we want!

Having said all that (some of it is kinda me thinking out load) - we had our grams of fat/grams of potato discussion the other day. I think this is going to end up being a bit like that...where it will vary based on the individual AND there may be some trade off - add protein and you may only lose 0.9# instead of 1# but you're happier emotionally.

(Jen, I know you know the glucose physiology, mostly that was me thinking out loud...)
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Thanks for that detailed explanation, but *I* posit (lol, I love that word) the theory
that the BG "spike" isn't necessarily what causes the potato hack magic...
it's just the need for insulin in the absence of dietary fat.

So, as I said before, if you eat xxx amount of potatoes, you're going to need xxx amount of insulin to metabolize it; if you don't eat any fat with it (or for a few hours afterwards), you're going to use the same amount of body fat to produce that insulin...regardless of whether it spikes your blood sugar or digests more slowly.

I don't inject insulin...someone who does might be able to clear up that mystery.
Or I'll check my Dr Bernstein sometime tomorrow.

IIRC, some people don't even get a BG spike after a few days on the hack.
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We need Ouiz to chime in here and tell us why adding protein is bad. I know I've read that in multiple places. Maybe Otzi knows...
I don't think I'll have time at work tomorrow but I do have some of my physiology books at home - I may see if I can read more into carbohydrate metabolism and see if we can figure this out. I'm loving the results, I would love to know WHY!!!
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One main reason seems to be that if you add different foods, you don't get the satiety (that some people get from eating only potatoes), and then you eat too many calories for the potato hack to work.

I haven't been adding protein but the purpose of the cornstarch is to make the blood glucose peak/nadir less pronounced. So I'm hoping my theory isn't wrong.
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One main reason seems to be that if you add different foods, you don't get the satiety (that some people get from eating only potatoes), and then you eat too many calories for the potato hack to work.

I haven't been adding protein but the purpose of the cornstarch is to make the blood glucose peak/nadir less pronounced. So I'm hoping my theory isn't wrong.
Makes sense...the satiety portion. And I've been following your corn starch discussion. Hopefully you're right too so it can work for you.

The theory is really awesome to try to hash out but can't argue with the results.
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Yennie and Jenny~ Fascinating discussion!!
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