A DD Hack - Page 30

sunday · 12-21-2012, 12:30 PM

So it does have 7 gr of fat??? Interesting, amazing that it worked for me!

The golden crinkles are the only crispy frozen fries that I have ever made. The key is to have your oven on 400 or higher and leave them in for at least 8 min. My grandsons think this is the best treat ever! With much more ketchup than I like, of course!

Rayne_W · 12-21-2012, 12:51 PM

I could live on fries! Of course, my favorite accompaniments are malt vinegar and good tartar sauce (not the sweet kind). I'm guessing tartar would be a major no-no...still, I may try the crinkle fries and see what it does.

Carlye · 12-21-2012, 01:02 PM

I totally loved the 9 days of PH that I did. I am very happy to have lost 4kg/8.8lbs.
One unexpected side effect was that my gluten intolerance has increased DRAMATICALLY! It used to take time for the stomach pain to kick in after eating gluten, now I can be halfway through a piece of bread and I'm doubling over in pain. So I'm calling that a positive, always wanted to get off gluten.

So now I'm ready to start my gluten free, lowcarb JUDDD induction

piratejenny · 12-21-2012, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayne_W

Or which add-ins would be counterproductive?

I'm still wondering if adding fat-free half-n-half to mash them would be ok.

I think watching out for protein & sugar content is a good idea. (SF ketchup instead of regular, for example).

Quote:

Originally Posted by C'Marie

What about adding fat free yogurt as "sour cream" on potatoes? I did that last night, but not currently doing the potato hack right now. I couldn't "hack" it

at the moment.

And don't the baked french fries (frozen dept, right?) have fat added to them?

FF yogurt (esp the Greek variety) might be higher in protein than FF sour cream...not sure, compare labels...but i believe I've read that too much protein can mess up the PHack.

I'm pretty sure the frozen french fries are lightly fried before being frozen. They always feel a little oily to me, and they're definitely not just cut-up raw potatoes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayne_W

Of course, my favorite accompaniments are malt vinegar and good tartar sauce (not the sweet kind). I'm guessing tartar would be a major no-no...

I make tartar sauce with mayo, dill (not sweet) relish & a little chopped onion. If it is decided that FF sour cream or yogurt is acceptable, maybe you could substitute that for the mayo.

PS--Add a little Worcestershire sauce, squeeze of fresh lemon, Old Bay seasoning, and/or dill weed (dried or fresh) for a little extra kick...might need it in a FF base.

GrannyPants · 12-22-2012, 06:23 AM

I was going to try this after the new year, but, my eating got out of control with all these temptations...

and I figured what the heck or hack in this case... I finished day 4 yesterday. This "hack" stopped my annual food frenzy right in its tracks...I am soooooo surprised by this... It is hard to explain...I feel a little hungry yet very full at the same time...Of course I love feeling full because it reminds me I have eaten.

I am so glad I didn't wait to try this, I'm sure I would have been up a few pounds. I was coming off today but I so like the feeling of not being cukoo hungry, I might do another day...
I feel back in control...amazing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlye

I totally loved the 9 days of PH that I did. I am very happy to have lost 4kg/8.8lbs.

Woweeee!! That is an incredible loss! And for your stats that is crazy, great.
Please share!
.
.

Joyjoy · 12-22-2012, 06:32 AM

So happy for you, Mere.

JKat · 12-22-2012, 11:47 AM

Just curious who is still hacking?? Is anyone doing Juddd along with it or is it I hard to get calories up??

sunday · 12-22-2012, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JKat

Just curious who is still hacking?? Is anyone doing Juddd along with it or is it I hard to get calories up??

I enjoyed the hack. Will try again. I think if you could add fat you could reach your UD cal. I found I can't.

Seabreezes · 12-22-2012, 12:01 PM

Mere,

Did you lose any weight or just stay the same?

I'm going to try this after all of the holiday company is gone.

Rayne_W · 12-22-2012, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratejenny

I think watching out for protein & sugar content is a good idea. (SF ketchup instead of regular, for example).

FF yogurt (esp the Greek variety) might be higher in protein than FF sour cream...not sure, compare labels...but i believe I've read that too much protein can mess up the PHack.

^^good to know

Quote:

I'm pretty sure the frozen french fries are lightly fried before being frozen. They always feel a little oily to me, and they're definitely not just cut-up raw potatoes.

I agree with you. I don't think they'll crisp up from the frozen state without that first fry (which is also what they do in restaurants).

Quote:

I make tartar sauce with mayo, dill (not sweet) relish & a little chopped onion. If it is decided that FF sour cream or yogurt is acceptable, maybe you could substitute that for the mayo.

PS--Add a little Worcestershire sauce, squeeze of fresh lemon, Old Bay seasoning, and/or dill weed (dried or fresh) for a little extra kick...might need it in a FF base.

Nice tips, thank you! If I decide to go that route, I'll probably use FF sour cream.

GrannyPants · 12-22-2012, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seabreezes

Mere,

Did you lose any weight or just stay the same?

I'm going to try this after all of the holiday company is gone.

Yes,...I didn't weigh til the 3rd day first thing in the morning...(cause I had about 4 UUAAD's in a row, very naughty ones

) at that point I was the same weight as I was before the (binge)...This morning day 5, I was 3 pounds lighter. It seems impossible, I'm thinking it might be a "light day" on the scale...I will finish today and weigh again tomorrow...

I did not JUDDD on the PH. I am not eating until I'm full, because we don't want to go there.

I am eating til "pretty full", because I can easily eat over my UD day limit (even with potatoes).

sunday · 12-22-2012, 02:29 PM

For Rayne & PJ...

Ore Ida Extra Crispy Golden Crinkles are Delicious « Black Coffee & Bourbon

This isn't my blog, but I am tellin ya, they were crispy and crrrrunchhy! Better than fried, my friends.

Check out the reviews on Ore Ida site too.

sunday · 12-22-2012, 02:31 PM

Disclaimer...

They mustn't be for every meal on tater hack. But I promise, once per day, they didn't phase my success. Remember, only use, SUGAR FREE ketsup or homemade.

Rayne_W · 12-22-2012, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunday

For Rayne & PJ...

Ore Ida Extra Crispy Golden Crinkles are Delicious « Black Coffee & Bourbon

This isn't my blog, but I am tellin ya, they were crispy and crrrrunchhy! Better than fried, my friends.

Check out the reviews on Ore Ida site too.

Want.

sunday · 12-22-2012, 02:38 PM

One more small bit of info... I had the temp too low, because I do use a convection oven, so at 400, I was close to the same as 450.

Directions

Preheat gas grill to medium (450° - 500° F).
Line aluminum foil pan with crumpled quick-release foil. Place frozen product in a single layer in pan; place pan on grill. Cook for 8-10 minutes with the lid closed; turn product & cook for 5-10 additional minutes.

If temperature drops below 450° F, increase cooking time. Increasing burner setting may cause burning.

Okay, on their own site it says only 4.5 gr of fat???

Serving Size 84g
Calories 120
Fat 4 1/2g
Sodium 290mg
Carbs 19g

sunday · 12-22-2012, 02:47 PM

Rayne,

I am actually looking forward to another hack because I love the rosemary roasted taters as well as these pretty lil "golden crinkles". Splash a bit of malt vinegar and I am all gaga for starch.

GrannyPants · 12-22-2012, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunday

Disclaimer...

They mustn't be for every meal on tater hack. But I promise, once per day, they didn't phase my success. Remember, only use, SUGAR FREE ketsup or homemade.

Disclaimer

sunday · 12-22-2012, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrannyPants

Disclaimer

I could and believe me I would.

gotsomeold · 12-23-2012, 04:24 AM

Mere, I am so happy for you!

I plan to have several nothing but potato days once the screaming and shouting of the holiday season settles down.

SICCHI · 12-23-2012, 04:15 PM

yes I am hanging out to do a 3-4 day hack again, just struggling at the moment to find 3 days in a row with out some sort of 'party/visitor'. And, I want to let me skin heal. It's finally going down, thank god. I am sorta having a PDD today because its easy

Merry Christmas to all you hackers!!!!

JKat · 12-24-2012, 02:56 AM

Hi everyone. I would like to share my experience the last 3 days with you.

I started Judd the beginning of last week. I have done it before and know it really works BUT only if I keep UD calories in check and keep sugar out of my meals.

So I saw this hack on Friday and thought Potatos I love them but do not eat them. Decided to start Friday eve DD with 250 calories.. Over the weekend I worked. The office was filled to the top with everything u can possibly think of to eat and I had NO desire to eat it!!!! Calories over weekend were 800-1200

Here what I noticed
1. Once I eat the potato I kinda feel full but really want to eat more. It takes a good hour to settle down my hunger or feeling of wanting to eat

2 I do get real hunger pains though out the day but they do pass. I really want to eat when it hits. It does pass but takes a while.

3 I struggle with the blues my mood has been fantastic!! Just a happy feeling

4. Weight loss 3 days 3 pounds and I have seen a low I have not seen in a while

5 easy no thinking at all involved. That alone has decreased my stress level

6 breath is up and kicking yuk!!

So I would say it was a success just before Xmas. What I would like to do is cycle it in with Juddd for about a week and c what happens. I would have to really concentrate on eating enough calories on up day but then I would be looking at those hunger pains I need to get through.

gotsomeold · 12-24-2012, 03:01 AM

Hey Jodi! Sounds like you and potatoes have a possible future together. I was a little confused about your after-holiday plans, are you thinking of regular UDs and PDDs?

Don't completely panic about the hunger - it is very likely that will change as your body adapts.

JKat · 12-24-2012, 03:36 AM

Yes I was thinking to try ppd with the rotation but just not so sure its a good idea.

What do u think??

sunday · 12-24-2012, 06:14 AM

I can do the DD just fine. It is UD that I struggle with. I believe my high was 1200. My next hack I will concentrate on getting more in on UD. If I could add fat or even protein to this, I could hit my numbers on UD.

I never had hunger pangs until late evening. I usually just drank a cup of broth and it helped. I really like the way this hack works.

Also, thinking about doing this from 26-29.

ouizoid · 12-24-2012, 06:47 AM

sunday--on UD's, what about having potatoes during the day and a protein/fat/veg dnner? some of the MDA folks were doing that with success--

Starting after xmas I am thinking of going back to JUDDD and doing potato hack on my UDs and having some protein on my DD's. Just short term--

sunday · 12-24-2012, 07:08 AM

I believe I will try it! I wonder if I reverse and have the protein for breakfast and then nothing but potatoes ??? My body enjoys protein first thing.

I am off to read the MDA forum. thanks!

ouizoid · 12-24-2012, 08:44 AM

I don't see why that wouldn't work. Just make sure there is a significant gap between protein and potatoes--

C'Marie · 12-24-2012, 12:04 PM

@Sunday, that's what I did again yesterday..... protein in the am (whey protein powder in my coffee, 30g protein)....wait four hours, then two meals of potatoes/malt vinegar fairly close together...... then at bedtime (four hours after last potato) another 20g whey powder in my evening caffeine-free tea. BAM! down 2 pounds this am. Best DD stats ever for me. It was a bit of a struggle, but I managed it. Also had some miracle noodles with the potatoes and some ff chicken broth and spices. Total calories were just shy of 500.

I continue to be perplexed by the lovely potato.

sunday · 12-24-2012, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C'Marie

@Sunday, that's what I did again yesterday..... protein in the am (whey protein powder in my coffee, 30g protein)....wait four hours, then two meals of potatoes/malt vinegar fairly close together...... then at bedtime (four hours after last potato) another 20g whey powder in my evening caffeine-free tea. BAM! down 2 pounds this am. Best DD stats ever for me. It was a bit of a struggle, but I managed it. Also had some miracle noodles with the potatoes and some ff chicken broth and spices. Total calories were just shy of 500.

I continue to be perplexed by the lovely potato.

Thanks for sharing, great to hear! Right before Christmas to be at this low is amazing!

I love the fact that this hack works, and hope that it will continue till after all of the holiday insanity! It is easy and even if it gets a bit boring, I am very pleased with the results.

Ouis, I am going to eat the lean protein for breakfast and wait as long as possible before taters. I will report back as soon as I do this.

Joyjoy · 12-24-2012, 12:56 PM

Sunday, what lean protein will you use? I wouldn't mind trying this and am not so interested in protein powders.

12-22-2012, 02:38 PM	#885
sunday Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Heartland- smack dab in the middle Posts: 4,521 Gallery: sunday Stats: 225/145/ ... WOE: Perfect Health Diet- 16hr Daily Fast Start Date: JUDDD - 2/01/12 Began at 200, Goal 130	One more small bit of info... I had the temp too low, because I do use a convection oven, so at 400, I was close to the same as 450. Directions Preheat gas grill to medium (450° - 500° F). Line aluminum foil pan with crumpled quick-release foil. Place frozen product in a single layer in pan; place pan on grill. Cook for 8-10 minutes with the lid closed; turn product & cook for 5-10 additional minutes. If temperature drops below 450° F, increase cooking time. Increasing burner setting may cause burning. Okay, on their own site it says only 4.5 gr of fat??? Serving Size 84g Calories 120 Fat 4 1/2g Sodium 290mg Carbs 19g __________________ ""Nutrient hunger can cause weight loss to plateau and reverse, even if the diet does not change."--Paul Jaminet I guess I am a little weird, I like to talk to animals. . Perfect Health Diet May Thread Last edited by sunday; 12-22-2012 at 02:44 PM..

12-24-2012, 02:56 AM	#891
JKat Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,642 Gallery: JKat Start Date: December 2003	Hi everyone. I would like to share my experience the last 3 days with you. I started Judd the beginning of last week. I have done it before and know it really works BUT only if I keep UD calories in check and keep sugar out of my meals. So I saw this hack on Friday and thought Potatos I love them but do not eat them. Decided to start Friday eve DD with 250 calories.. Over the weekend I worked. The office was filled to the top with everything u can possibly think of to eat and I had NO desire to eat it!!!! Calories over weekend were 800-1200 Here what I noticed 1. Once I eat the potato I kinda feel full but really want to eat more. It takes a good hour to settle down my hunger or feeling of wanting to eat 2 I do get real hunger pains though out the day but they do pass. I really want to eat when it hits. It does pass but takes a while. 3 I struggle with the blues my mood has been fantastic!! Just a happy feeling 4. Weight loss 3 days 3 pounds and I have seen a low I have not seen in a while 5 easy no thinking at all involved. That alone has decreased my stress level 6 breath is up and kicking yuk!! So I would say it was a success just before Xmas. What I would like to do is cycle it in with Juddd for about a week and c what happens. I would have to really concentrate on eating enough calories on up day but then I would be looking at those hunger pains I need to get through. __________________ Jodi

12-24-2012, 12:04 PM	#898
C'Marie Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,037 Gallery: C'Marie Stats: 270/down 110-ish/ goal 147 WOE: hCG Rx shots/JUDDD maintain Start Date: 1/4/2010 Now R9 P2	@Sunday, that's what I did again yesterday..... protein in the am (whey protein powder in my coffee, 30g protein)....wait four hours, then two meals of potatoes/malt vinegar fairly close together...... then at bedtime (four hours after last potato) another 20g whey powder in my evening caffeine-free tea. BAM! down 2 pounds this am. Best DD stats ever for me. It was a bit of a struggle, but I managed it. Also had some miracle noodles with the potatoes and some ff chicken broth and spices. Total calories were just shy of 500. I continue to be perplexed by the lovely potato. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* HCG Rx to lose - JUDDD to maintain Last edited by C'Marie; 12-24-2012 at 12:05 PM..

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12-21-2012, 12:30 PM	#871
sunday Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Heartland- smack dab in the middle Posts: 4,521 Gallery: sunday Stats: 225/145/ ... WOE: Perfect Health Diet- 16hr Daily Fast Start Date: JUDDD - 2/01/12 Began at 200, Goal 130	So it does have 7 gr of fat??? Interesting, amazing that it worked for me! The golden crinkles are the only crispy frozen fries that I have ever made. The key is to have your oven on 400 or higher and leave them in for at least 8 min. My grandsons think this is the best treat ever! With much more ketchup than I like, of course!

12-21-2012, 12:51 PM	#872
Rayne_W Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Western WA>>Eastern Indiana Posts: 805 Gallery: Rayne_W Stats: 255/229.4/140 5'6" (12.5" lost) WOE: JUDDD Start Date: 10-2-12 (LC) 11-18-12 (JUDDD)	I could live on fries! Of course, my favorite accompaniments are malt vinegar and good tartar sauce (not the sweet kind). I'm guessing tartar would be a major no-no...still, I may try the crinkle fries and see what it does.

12-21-2012, 01:02 PM	#873
Carlye Junior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 19 Gallery: Carlye Stats: 120kg/108kg/TBA WOE: LC JUDDD Start Date: Jan 2013	I totally loved the 9 days of PH that I did. I am very happy to have lost 4kg/8.8lbs. One unexpected side effect was that my gluten intolerance has increased DRAMATICALLY! It used to take time for the stomach pain to kick in after eating gluten, now I can be halfway through a piece of bread and I'm doubling over in pain. So I'm calling that a positive, always wanted to get off gluten. So now I'm ready to start my gluten free, lowcarb JUDDD induction

12-22-2012, 06:32 AM	#876
Joyjoy Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,690 Gallery: Joyjoy Stats: 150?/134/136 5'8" 50 yo WOE: JUDDD Start Date: 4-19-12	So happy for you, Mere.

12-22-2012, 11:47 AM	#877
JKat Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,642 Gallery: JKat Start Date: December 2003	Just curious who is still hacking?? Is anyone doing Juddd along with it or is it I hard to get calories up??

12-22-2012, 12:01 PM	#879
Seabreezes Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paradise Posts: 1,192 Gallery: Seabreezes Stats: 191/155/160 WOE: Low Carb ala JUDDD Start Date: Seems like forever - restart June '11	Mere, Did you lose any weight or just stay the same? I'm going to try this after all of the holiday company is gone.

12-22-2012, 02:29 PM	#882
sunday Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Heartland- smack dab in the middle Posts: 4,521 Gallery: sunday Stats: 225/145/ ... WOE: Perfect Health Diet- 16hr Daily Fast Start Date: JUDDD - 2/01/12 Began at 200, Goal 130	For Rayne & PJ... Ore Ida Extra Crispy Golden Crinkles are Delicious « Black Coffee & Bourbon This isn't my blog, but I am tellin ya, they were crispy and crrrrunchhy! Better than fried, my friends. Check out the reviews on Ore Ida site too.

12-22-2012, 02:31 PM	#883
sunday Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Heartland- smack dab in the middle Posts: 4,521 Gallery: sunday Stats: 225/145/ ... WOE: Perfect Health Diet- 16hr Daily Fast Start Date: JUDDD - 2/01/12 Began at 200, Goal 130	Disclaimer... They mustn't be for every meal on tater hack. But I promise, once per day, they didn't phase my success. Remember, only use, SUGAR FREE ketsup or homemade.

12-22-2012, 02:47 PM	#886
sunday Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Heartland- smack dab in the middle Posts: 4,521 Gallery: sunday Stats: 225/145/ ... WOE: Perfect Health Diet- 16hr Daily Fast Start Date: JUDDD - 2/01/12 Began at 200, Goal 130	Rayne, I am actually looking forward to another hack because I love the rosemary roasted taters as well as these pretty lil "golden crinkles". Splash a bit of malt vinegar and I am all gaga for starch.

12-23-2012, 04:24 AM	#889
gotsomeold Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Asheville, NC / Marietta, Ga Posts: 3,287 Gallery: gotsomeold Stats: 175/127.6/GOAL at 128, size six fits! 5'4, 60yo WOE: JUDDD, PHD Start Date: LC/EFGT - 9/15/11, JUDDD - 1/1/12	Mere, I am so happy for you! I plan to have several nothing but potato days once the screaming and shouting of the holiday season settles down.

12-23-2012, 04:15 PM	#890
SICCHI Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: MELBORNE, AUS Posts: 341 Gallery: SICCHI Stats: 68KG/63.9/59 WOE: JUDDDD Start Date: 29/8/12	yes I am hanging out to do a 3-4 day hack again, just struggling at the moment to find 3 days in a row with out some sort of 'party/visitor'. And, I want to let me skin heal. It's finally going down, thank god. I am sorta having a PDD today because its easy Merry Christmas to all you hackers!!!!

12-24-2012, 03:01 AM	#892
gotsomeold Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Asheville, NC / Marietta, Ga Posts: 3,287 Gallery: gotsomeold Stats: 175/127.6/GOAL at 128, size six fits! 5'4, 60yo WOE: JUDDD, PHD Start Date: LC/EFGT - 9/15/11, JUDDD - 1/1/12	Hey Jodi! Sounds like you and potatoes have a possible future together. I was a little confused about your after-holiday plans, are you thinking of regular UDs and PDDs? Don't completely panic about the hunger - it is very likely that will change as your body adapts.

12-24-2012, 03:36 AM	#893
JKat Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,642 Gallery: JKat Start Date: December 2003	Yes I was thinking to try ppd with the rotation but just not so sure its a good idea. What do u think??

12-24-2012, 06:14 AM	#894
sunday Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Heartland- smack dab in the middle Posts: 4,521 Gallery: sunday Stats: 225/145/ ... WOE: Perfect Health Diet- 16hr Daily Fast Start Date: JUDDD - 2/01/12 Began at 200, Goal 130	I can do the DD just fine. It is UD that I struggle with. I believe my high was 1200. My next hack I will concentrate on getting more in on UD. If I could add fat or even protein to this, I could hit my numbers on UD. I never had hunger pangs until late evening. I usually just drank a cup of broth and it helped. I really like the way this hack works. Also, thinking about doing this from 26-29.

12-24-2012, 06:47 AM	#895
ouizoid Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,920 Gallery: ouizoid Stats: 225/165/145 WOE: JUDDD	sunday--on UD's, what about having potatoes during the day and a protein/fat/veg dnner? some of the MDA folks were doing that with success-- Starting after xmas I am thinking of going back to JUDDD and doing potato hack on my UDs and having some protein on my DD's. Just short term--

12-24-2012, 07:08 AM	#896
sunday Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Heartland- smack dab in the middle Posts: 4,521 Gallery: sunday Stats: 225/145/ ... WOE: Perfect Health Diet- 16hr Daily Fast Start Date: JUDDD - 2/01/12 Began at 200, Goal 130	I believe I will try it! I wonder if I reverse and have the protein for breakfast and then nothing but potatoes ??? My body enjoys protein first thing. I am off to read the MDA forum. thanks!

12-24-2012, 08:44 AM	#897
ouizoid Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,920 Gallery: ouizoid Stats: 225/165/145 WOE: JUDDD	I don't see why that wouldn't work. Just make sure there is a significant gap between protein and potatoes--

12-24-2012, 12:56 PM	#900
Joyjoy Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,690 Gallery: Joyjoy Stats: 150?/134/136 5'8" 50 yo WOE: JUDDD Start Date: 4-19-12	Sunday, what lean protein will you use? I wouldn't mind trying this and am not so interested in protein powders.