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Old 12-04-2012, 10:14 AM   #481
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I love coming here each morning to see how everyone is doing with the PD's! I'm down another pound this morning! I could be negative about since it's showing as "only" 1 pound down since November 30! But, I had an UD that day & bounced up over a pound. So, since starting on the PD the bounce has stopped & it's a slow progression downward. Downward is good, right?

So, today is an UDPD! I've got tons of work to do today! Some of you were talking about being happy on potatoes? Well, I read that to my DH and he said he's noticed that I'm much happier! I'm typically happy anyway; but, who's gonna fuss at more happiness?! Not me!!

Also, my blood pressure seems to have stabilized. That is a really good thing! And I'm taking 1/4 of the medication I was before JUDDD! Weight loss makes a huge difference for me! DH took some pics of me earlier; but, I'm not sure I want to post them. I'm just in baggy jeans & a too tight tshirt! I think I'll wait til I'm wearing something that fits! He wanted to take pictures to prove to me that I really look so different! He is such a wonderful DH. Gotta love a man that boosts your morale!

Have a great day, Potato Buds!
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:22 AM   #482
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Kettleboy, I wonder about inflammatory markers too. I'm not feeling anything, but I do wonder.
Ouiz, I like your explanation. Thanks. I wonder why some vacuum methods work while others don't for each of us. Even more, I wonder why some work for a while and then don't. We must be looking at a very complicated elephant.
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The mood lifting effect is quite interesting!
I am curious if this will help my friend with her sugar addiction? Ongoing depression? She has suffered with this for years and it has caused her to struggle with her weight as well.

Especially, since the basis of the book "Potatoes Not Prozac" is that the same brain chemicals that are altered by antidepressant drugs are also affected by the foods we eat. According to addiction expert DesMaisons, many people, including those who are depressed, are "sugar sensitive." Eating sweets gives them a temporary emotional boost, which leads to a craving for still more sweets. The best way to keep these brain chemicals in the right balance and keep blood-sugar levels steady, she says, is through the dietary plan she describes in Potatoes Not Prozac. Her rules are fairly simple--eat three meals a day, eat proteins with every meal (especially those high in the amino acid tryptophan, which creates the calming neurotransmitter serotonin), and eat more complex carbohydrates, such as whole grains and, yes, potatoes. Not only will this make you less depressed, DesMaisons says, but it will also keep you from craving too much of the foods you shouldn't eat, making it a self-regulating system.
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Having gained the weight initially due too two joint injuries, I'm very hot on imflammation, for me it is the root of all evil:-) so I may be over reacting? But maybe not...

As mentioned in other threads, I have been looking at ways of manipulating cortisol levels to reduce imflammation and therefore reduce Visceral fat. The potato hack did derail this manipulation, so perhaps a double whammy?

So back o what works for me
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I noticed that when I added sugary carbs back in after beginning JUDDD, that I really suffered the following DD. Almost to the point that the hunger physically hurt, if that makes sense? I have always suspected that I may have had this issue with sugar/breads, and not known what was happening???
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Having gained the weight initially due too two joint injuries, I'm very hot on imflammation, for me it is the root of all evil:-) so I may be over reacting? But maybe not...

As mentioned in other threads, I have been looking at ways of manipulating cortisol levels to reduce imflammation and therefore reduce Visceral fat. The potato hack did derail this manipulation, so perhaps a double whammy?

So back o what works for me
So what works for you? Just wondering?
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1 gram vit c every 4 waking hours, if you can tolerate it. and a Topical supplement called 7 spray. Both reduce Cortisol hugely ( for me) resulting in visible changes in days.

If you hold most of your fat around your belly it is visceral fat, and the root cause is Cortisol.

7 Spray was developed by Pat Arnold, the guy who was imprisoned in relation to the Baalco case. He is a very very clever guy with some cutting edge ideas.
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Should also explain Cortisol levels rise with age, stress levels, including exercise induced stress
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I know I have a lot of cortisol issues due to stress from my job.
And also the fact that my middle is where I carry my weight.

Do you have a link where I could read about this? I find this fascinating!
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I woke this morning with a slight headache, but that happens sometimes to me for no apparent reason. I "only" had a drop of .6 AND my calories ended at only 585, so I actually did a Potato DD, and would've liked to have seen a bigger drop. I did carb up several days before trying to get ahead of the bloat, if that were possible. Who knows. Today will be an Potato UD and I will report back tomorrow. I felt fine yesterday except for one about 40 minute period which passed. I drank 2 glasses of water (in case it would help processing somehow LOL) and felt fine the rest of the day. I plan to go through Thursday, if all goes according to plan and I continue to feel ok on this.
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Hey Sunday, I buy that potatoes-not-Prozac stuff except that, in my case, as soon as I eat grains I begin to crave sugar more. I'm hoping the potato thing improves this cycle in me. I'd love to broaden my diet without feeling like a addict again. This is SO fascinating.
Kettleboy, thanks for the thoughts. Do you notice a difference if you just do the vitamin C?
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Would you be able to use Ore Ida frozen hash browns? Or is this only going to work with fresh? She is definitely not going to take the time to shred potatoes, but if the frozen ones would suffice.
There seems to be no fat added to them, just potatoes so should be fine.
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Sunday, google "cortisol visceral fat" and take your pick, there is tons of stuff.

Then google vit c and cortisol control.

For 7 spray take a look at
Q & A with Patrick Arnold

And look at the 7 spray thread, some of his other sprays control cortisol too, but do other things too, so careful...

I have also used Erase pro too, which is a well known cortisol controller, but is systemic, I find the targeted approach of 7 spray creates less sides. That will make sense once you start reading.

I really find this fascinating, it can be applied in combination with any diet, and is the only truly targeted fat loss out there.

Sorry to side track this thread, a new cortisol control thread may appear soon:-)
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Thank you so much Kettle boy! I really do believe this will help me as well as my daughter! She has much more stress than I do, with a 2 year old who has serious Peanut allergy and her job.

Are you doing Paleo or HFMP? Or just plain JUDDD?
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Please do start a new "Cortisol" thread. I will be right there!
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Please do start a new "Cortisol" thread. I will be right there!
Me too I love this board. I learn so much from everyone.......even if I am not doing the potato hack, I am learning a heck of a lot And I am going to follow the cortisol thread since I have adrenal fatigue. I am fascinated in stuff like this.
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Thanks Seabreezes! I am sure this will be best for the "on the go" peeps!
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So far today I've eaten one russet, two small reds and one smallish white potato, and I'm very full I'll probably eat a couple more reds tonight and then call it good for my first potato day Besides the potatoes I've just had a bit of ketchup, one cup of diet hot cocoa/can of diet soda and then I also ran through drive through at Wendys and got a diet Pepsi, but it tasted off to me-I drank part of it and then tossed it. Really hoping it wasn't regular, ugh.
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Sunday, I jump around, from plan to plan. Everything seems to work for a while. I suspect the secret is to keep the body guessing. I've played with LC in all it's forms, primal, warrior diet. Even had a week on cream and nuts, this was probably my most effect fat loss period. I have very detailed logs.

I do monitor body fat with impedance scale and calliper, as I want fat loss not weight loss. And all the time maintain exercise performance.

In all honesty I suspect what is really going on, is I'm trying to keep pace with Father Time:-) reasonably successfully so far, but unfortunately a lost cause, but I will try...
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Sunday, I jump around, from plan to plan. Everything seems to work for a while. I suspect the secret is to keep the body guessing. I've played with LC in all it's forms, primal, warrior diet. Even had a week on cream and nuts, this was probably my most effect fat loss period. I have very detailed logs.

I do monitor body fat with impedance scale and calliper, as I want fat loss not weight loss. And all the time maintain exercise performance.

In all honesty I suspect what is really going on, is I'm trying to keep pace with Father Time:-) reasonably successfully so far, but unfortunately a lost cause, but I will try...
Okay, Kettleboy - I gotta know. What is this cream and nuts diet? Sounds like it would be effective with almost all fat. How did you eat and how much? So curious!
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The all nut day is just like potato hack, just eat nuts. I eat mac & walnuts. Is that what you do Kettleboy? It is amazing how high fat can release fat!
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Hey Sunday, I buy that potatoes-not-Prozac stuff except that, in my case, as soon as I eat grains I begin to crave sugar more. I'm hoping the potato thing improves this cycle in me. I'd love to broaden my diet without feeling like a addict again. This is SO fascinating.
Kettleboy, thanks for the thoughts. Do you notice a difference if you just do the vitamin C?
I wonder if sprouted grains could be the difference or not? Do you ever eat sprouted bread? I can't eat bread period, but suffer less with the sprouted grains. My suffering isn't cravings but a hunger that won't quit.
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Simple stuff, can't remember the source, but famously a few years ago a guy lost 150 lbs by drinking cream for breakfast, then ate nuts all day, e only other thing he did was swim in the cold sea. ( that's another subject for. Thread, how to lose weight using cold baths or ice packs across the back of the neck, this works too!)

So I tried it, I was in the region of 4,000 kcals/day at about 80% fat. Lost weight faster than any other time. And some interesting side effects, skin was excellent, every one said how well I looked, stress levels dropped (I have a very stressful job) libido through the roof, etc...

I suspect most of this is related to testosterone levels being elevated by the fat.

You have to have some courage to try it, but it works. I stopped due to lack of variety and lack of different textures in my food.
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I'm intrigued and may try a 2-3 day cream/nut hack some time. I'm really into the idea that eating fat burns fat. Thanks Kettleboy!
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High fat is what brought me to this website, but the efgt section isn't very busy, but again google will uncover many gems. Lots of stuff on *** too ( the source of the potato hack)
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I'm intrigued and may try a 2-3 day cream/nut hack some time. I'm really into the idea that eating fat burns fat. Thanks Kettleboy!
That would what we low carbers call a "fat fast". If you search on LCFs forums you can find other doing it. Dr Atkins talks of this in his book.
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Joyjoy, I think the vit c takes longer to be effective, and I think an early morning dose is the key one, as Cortisol is at its highest in the morning. The 7 spray is excellent, and makes me feel good generally. Very expensive over here! As are most imported supplements, but I have a sister in the US, so that helps.

Start slowly with Vit c, I tolerate it very well, but many don't, but you do build a tolerance.
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So, here are the results on my second run at potatoes yesterday.

History
05:00 - 07:00 two cups of coffee, each with one teaspoon of hwc
07:00 - 13:00 water (normal DD so far, but the story gets more exciting now)
13:00 Blood Glucose 93, ate 2 oz boiled, cooled, mixed potatoes with 2 teaspoons malt vinegar
13:30 BG 99
14:00 BG 106, feeling a bit shakey but not bad
16:00 couldn't get BG monitor to work, ate 2 oz spuds with 1 teaspoon malt vinegar
17:00 BG 92, ate four more oz spuds with no vinegar
18:40 BG 137

Observations
* I was shaky and a bit ill through the whole thing. But no worse than others have described for their first days.
* I was hungry. But, I am one who gets hungry once I eat solid food. Frequently, I drink my whole DD. So, eating a wee bit o potato so early in the day may explain the hunger.
* Malt vinegar appears to suppress the blood glucose/insulin surge somewhat. I love mv, but it does leave a lingering after-taste.
* I adored the discipline of eating only one food. DDs have gotten very easy for me, this challenge was very interesting.
* I woke up starving this morning. Very unusual for me.
* No bloating. In fact, my tummy which is still a bit swollen from surgery went down a bit.
* I had major DD style chills. First time since soon after I started maintenance.
* I was down a pound this morning - drop is consistent with every DD drop.

Interim Conclusions
* Today, I am eating 'regular' UD food.
* Tomorrow I am going to eat potatoes and monitor my BG again.
* Since I am using malt vinegar to suppress some of the blood glucose surge, I am wondering if 1/4 teaspoon of fat or a small amount of leafy veg would produce the same result...without this after-taste that still has not gone away. May try that.
* I need to do more research - is this deliberate spiking potentially going to help regulate BG/insulin? Or is this actually very bad for me? (I figure it cannot be worse than the bad old stress days when I sometimes lived on candy.)

I am willing to experiment a bit more. This is very interesting. I also think I may be playing with fire - as Kettle suspects. So, I am keeping a hunk of cheese with me at all times.

'zoid, I agree with you that there seem to be many paths all leading to approximately the same place.
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