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Old 11-13-2012, 07:01 AM   #391
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Stats: 251/224.2/140
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: JUDDD REstart 05/09/14 at 232.5
Ended October 225.4
August loss: 7.2 lbs (3 weeks)
September loss: 1.5 lbs.
October loss: 5.0 lbs

11/01 UD 225.8 (2300ish)
11/02 DD ------ (409 net)
11/03 UD 225.0 (2500ish)
11/04 DD ------ (541)
11/05 UD 224.2
11/06 DD ------ (570)
11/07 UD 225.6
11/08 DD ------ (2160)
11/09 UD 225.6
11/10 DD 224.2 (116 net)
11/11 UD 223.0 (1927)
11/12 DD 225.2 (241 net)
11/13 UD 223.4
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:21 AM   #392
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Start Date: 9/16/13
November Goal: 235

Nov1... 240.0
Nov2... 238.5
Nov3... 237.0
Nov4... 239.0 --- Yowza! ...late dinner out.
Nov5... 238.0
Nov6... 239.0
Nov7... 236.5
Nov8... 237.5
Nov9... 236.0
Nov10. 238.5
Nov11. 237.5
Nov12. 238.0 --- ate way too much junk..had a nothing-fills-me-up kinda day.
Nov13. 236.5
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:28 AM   #393
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Stats: 159/125/130 5'5"
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Decided to start back weighing daily and get back to weight loss mode
Goal: lose 5 pounds

11/08/12 DD 135.0
11/09/12 UD 134.6
11/10/12 DD 135.0
11/11/12 UD 134.0
11/12/12 MD 134.6 Turned into an UD
11/13/12 DD 135.4 TOM
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:29 AM   #394
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November Goal - 247.0

11/11 - 251.8 - DD
11/12 - 249.2 - UD
11/13 - 247.8 - DD
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:37 AM   #395
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WOE: Atkins 1/27/12 - 54.5 lbs: JUDDD 9/4/12 - 73 lbs
Ended October at 248.5

November goal 239. Another new decade goal. It may be optimistic, but I'm going for it!

11/1 - 247.5
11/3 - 247.0
11/5 - 244.5 whooosh!
11/7 - 244.5
11/9 - 244.5 - to be expected, TOM w/in next week
11/13 - 246.0 - TOM

Laura - 4 pounds in 2 days - whoooooosh!
Christina - looks like you've left that setpoint in the dust!
bflogurl - 2 pounds in a day - what a start!
Sara - what a great start in a week!
Elise - new decade dance for you!
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:03 AM   #396
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November Goal 185


11/1-194
11/13-201.6 I feel like crying my eyes out! How did this happen? Ugh. November IS supposed to be my month for losing...
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:40 AM   #397
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Start Date: Oct. 12,2011/restart Oct.1,2012
11/01 DD 245.4
11/02 UD 244.8 YAY!
11/03 DD 246.0 trying to fast today
11/04 UD 244.4
11/05 DD 244.0 down to losin in ounces,but new low
11/06 UD 244.6 this is maddening
11/07 DD 246.0 I give up!
11/08 UD 244.6 Im not giving up....just frustrated!
11/09 DD 245.2
11/10 UD 243.8 NEW LOW!!!
11/11 DD 245.0
11/12 UD 244.4
11/13 DD 246.0
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:44 AM   #398
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do you think menapause could be sabatoging my weight loss?
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:42 AM   #399
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Stats: 150/123/110 5'4"
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Start Date: 10/25/2012
October End: 127.2
November Goal: 123.0

I only weigh after DDs.

11/1 - UD - 125.6
11/2 - DD - ...
11/3 - UD - 125.2
11/4 - DD - ...
11/5 - UD - 125.4
11/6 - DD - ...
11/7 - UD - 125.0
11/8 - DD - ...
11/9 - UD - 125.4
11/10 - DD - ...
11/11 - UD - 124.2 (woohoo!)
11/12 - DD - ...
11/13 - UD - 123.2 (WOOHOO!!)

And just to give more background.. I was eating my DD meals right before bed (saving up my calories), so I'm thinking the weight of the food would still be there when I would weigh the morning after. On my last two DDs, I didn't eat all my DD calories, and when I did eat something, it was earlier in the day. I'm guessing that's why the scale has been more kind?

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Old 11-13-2012, 01:25 PM   #400
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weight loss to date -
September - 1 pound
October - 2.5 pound
Finished October 145.8

My weight loss is very very slow and know I have lost a couple of cm's off my hips and waist so just chugging along

November Goal - 140

2/11 - 146 TOM coming
4/11 - 144.6
6/11 - 144.2
8/11 - 145.2 very bad DD yesterday, could not stop eating at night
9/11 - 145.6 not bad after an UD. Weird
10/11 - 143.0 FINALLY, a new number (and a whole one at that!)
12/11 - 145.0 That's my UUAD Sat biting me in the bum
13/11 - 146.2
14/11 - 144.4 VERY clogged up (TMI sorry)
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:27 PM   #401
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November Goal - 247.0

11/11 - 251.8 - DD
11/12 - 249.2 - UD
11/13 - 247.8 - DD
wow Laura, nice going so far
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:28 PM   #402
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Stats: 199/120.0/126.8 5'2" 38yrs Size 20/4P
WOE: JUDDD/ 5:2 to maintain
Start Date: 2/21/12- Low carb (199lbs) 3/28/12 JUDDD (189lbs)
Finished October at 142.3
Goal for November 136.0- no longer overweight!

11/1- UD 142.2
11/2- DD 142.8
11/3- UD 141.5 (TOM)
11/4- DD 140.4 (TOM)
11/5- UD 140.4 (TOM)
11/6- DD 141.1 (TOM)
11/7- UD 141.1
11/8- DD 141.1
11/9- UD 141.1 (The anti- bounce. How is this possible?)
11/10-DD 139.7
11/11-UD 138.8 (138.4 in the evening)
11/12-DD 139.9
11/13-UD 138.3
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:10 PM   #403
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Stats: Started Judd on 3.26.12
WOE: Judd
Start Date: 3.26.12
April loss: 7 pounds
May loss: 4 pounds
June loss: 5 pounds
July gain: 1 pound
August loss: 4 pounds
Sept loss: 10 pounds
Oct loss: nada

Total loss to date: 30 pounds

November goal: the 70's
Ended October at 186.

10.30 - 11.3 Hurricane interuptus - managed 2 decent DDs but had several UUADs
11.4 - UD 186
11.5 - DD 186 475 cals, mini meals
11.6 - UD 185 did not count (DNC)
11.7 - DD 185 340 cals, mini meals, callanetics
11.8 - UD 183 1850 cals
11.9 - DD 185 500 cals
11.10 - UD DNW DNC 5 mile walk
11.11 - DD DNW 200 cals, 3.2 mile walk
11.12 - UD 183
11.13 - DD 184, 262 cals
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:05 PM   #404
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Stats: 252/250/180
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: November 2nd 2012
(Yeah I am thinking my husband misread our scale - sticking with my own recorded weight I think!)
2 Nov - DD 252.and a bit- forget what the scale said (This was my start date)
3 Nov - UD 250.0
4 Nov - DD 251.4 (and I ate LATE due to work and still, 1.4 - not bad!)
5 Nov - UD 250.0
6 Nov - DD 248.0 (lowest I've weighed since I weighed myself a few mos ago and went *WTH!??? I thought I was like 230-ish!*)
7 Nov - UD 250.0 again - but my fingers are swollen, so I reckon water retention - approaching ToM.
8 Nov - DD 247.8 (woot!)
9 Nov - UD 248.8 (WTH? lol! 2x now weight more after DD than UD? Wacky.)
10 Nov - DD 249.2 (See? JINXED! lol! but still - .4 lb? Fine by me. Roll on Tomorrow!!!)
11 Nov - UD 247 (Still swollen fingered, waiting for ToM...)
12 Nov - DD 251.0 ToM
13 Nov - UD 249.2 ToM
14 Nov - DD 249.4 ToM (not bad - ate dinner at 11:30pm too! I really need to NOT do that, stretches the eating period out too LONG imo!)
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:07 PM   #405
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Start Date: 9/24/2013
Starting weight 252

11/10 UD 252
11/11 DD 250 -815
11/12 UD 249 -1590
11/13 DD 247 -575
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:52 PM   #406
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Stats: 212/199.4/140
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Start Date: 4 October 2012
Ended October 203.6 Goal for November 195lbs

01 Nov - 203.6 - DD - 142
02 Nov - 201.2 - UD - 1586
03 Nov - 201.6 - DD - 0
04 Nov - 200.0 - UD - 2155
05 Nov - 202.2 - DD - 458
06 Nov - 200.6 - UD - 2273
07 Nov - 202.2 - DD - 495
08 Nov - 201.0 - UD - 1715
09 Nov - 200.8 - DD - 389
10 Nov - 199.6 - UD - 1994
11 Nov - 200.0 - DD - 426
12 nov - 199.4 - UD - 1871 Hello 199....again
13 nov - 201.2 - UD - ???? messed up my DD, became an Up
14 nov - 201.6 -
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:21 AM   #407
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WOE: JUDD
Start Date: Late Aug 2012
This month I'm after a new decade... 180s please, close to 187

1/10 194.7 UD eve weigh in
2/10 196 DD Today
3/10 192.2 UD Today Whoooooosh
4/10 193.1 DD Today
5/10 192.2 UD Today
6/10 192 DD Today (teeny) drop after an UD
7/10 190.9 UD Today yay
8/10 191.6 DD Today Expected bigger bounce TBH; many goodies consumed!
9/10 190.3 UD Today (& tomorrow! Won't be weighing in again til Mon... Hopefully won't be too much of a scale shock )

12/11 193.8 UD Today Big jump after 2UDs & 1MD... Refocus Lou!
13/11 192.5 DD Today Drop after an UD! JUDDD magic @ work. Love it

14/11 190.3 UD Today Amazing!!! I am AMAZED (& thrilled!)
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:54 AM   #408
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WOE: Judd
Start Date: August 23rd 2012
Didnt really lose in Oct but did have a funny month with time away etc!! Starting this month at 231, hoping to get to 24/11 @ 225. Hopefully going on holiday then!!

1/11...231.....after DD
02/11...231.. after UD..my body likes 231 obviously!!
03/11...229..after DD Yay!!
04/11...230..after UD...cant wait to never see the 30's again, unless there is a 1 in front of them!!
05/11...228..after DD..yay!!
06/11 DNW..after UD..quite a generous one!
07/11...229..after DD..
08/11...230 after UD
09/11...230 after DD...not good!!
10/11...230 after UD...yay!! now hoping for a bit of a whoosh tomorrow!!
11/11...227 after DD...yay, yay and thrice yay a mega whoosh!!Back to what I was before my little holiday with Ma!!
12/11...DNW..didnt want to see my weight increase after my UD..sad I know!! Will weigh tomoz!!
13/11...228 after a mega Ud and a DD!!
14/11...229 after Ud and the biggest pizza I have ever seen!!
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:56 AM   #409
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After being MIA for September and October, dealing with some serious binge issues, I'd like to jump back on the JUDDD wagon and see if I can control the monster!

November goal - It would be nice to get below 165 lbs and stay there!

10/28-DD--174.8-first unofficial DD

11/01-DD--169.6
11/02-UD--167.6
11/03-DD--168.0
11/04-UD--165.8 turned into a carb fest
11/05-DD--167.8
11/06-UD--166.6 yesterdays DD turned UD, but thankfully not out of control
11/07-DD--168.0 expected that after two up days
11/08-UD--166.2
11/09-DD--166.6
11/10-UD--165.2
11/11-UD--167.0
11/12-DD--DNW ate probably 3000 calories worth of junk food
11/13-UD--167.6
11/14-DD--167.2 TOM rearing it's ugly head
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05-1-14---181.4
04-1-14---186.6
03-1-14---189.2
02-1-14---187.2
01-1-14---190.8
12-1-11---260 + pounds!

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Old 11-14-2012, 03:32 AM   #410
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Stats: 217/184.8/160 5'9"
WOE: Low carb/Fast 5
Start Date: LC 9/10/12, JUDDD 10/28/12, Fast 5 3/11/13
11/1~UD~204.4
11/2~DD~205.6
11/3~UD~203.6
11/4~DD~203
11/5~UD~202 New low!
11/6~DD~205.8... Really?!
11/7~UD~202.6
11/8~DD~204.6
11/9~UD~201 New low!
11/10~DD~203, this DD turned into more of a MD, since I was sooo hungry and couldn't stop nibbling throughout the day...
11/11~UD~201.6
11/12~DD~203.8
11/13~UD~201.4
11/14~DD~203.4, instead of this 201 to 203 bounce, can it be 200 to 202 at least...? I'm ready for some different #'s!


November goal~ 197
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15 lbs gone: 202 11/5/12
25 lbs gone: 192 1/19/13
32 lbs gone: 185 4/16/13
40 lbs gone:177
Now at a healthy weight: 168
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:08 AM   #411
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WOE: JUDDD for WL/5:2 IF for maintenance
November goal: Get into the rhythm of JUDDD and get into the 150s

11/7 UD 163.5
11/8 UD 162.5
11/9 DD 162.5
11/10 UP 161.0
11/11 DD 161.5
11/12 UP 160 Hit the 10lb mark for my total weight loss (plus .5!)
11/13 DD 160
11/14 UD 160 sooo close to getting in the 150s

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Old 11-14-2012, 04:36 AM   #412
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Stats: 155/149/139
Start Date: JUDDD restart - January 2014
Stared Juddd April 18 at 153
Ended May - 146.6
Ended June at 151.6 - after a 5 pound gain - started to weigh daily
Ended July at 148.6
Ended August at 144.2
Ended September at 144.0
Ended October at 143.0
Goal - to weigh less

Nov 1- 143.0
Nov 2- 143.0
Nov 3- 143.0
Nov 4- DNW - all you can eat sushi last night. YUM!
Nov 5 -143.8
Nov 6 -DNW-Just don't feel like it. Will weigh tomorrow after a good down day today.
Nov 7 - 142.6
Nov 8 - Weighing in after DD's is working for me - so I'll keep it up - cause it feels good.
Nov 9 - 143.2 (Tom)
Nov 10- DNW
Nov 11-Yesterday turned into more of a MD. Think I'm staying off the scale again. Is this avoidance? Could be but it also makes me try harder on my next DD...I think!
Nov 12 - Emotions are all over the place at the moment. Could not bear to get on the scale this morning. I enjoyed way too much cheesecake yesterday. I think seeing any number on the scale would tip me over the edge at the moment....yup any number that is higher than 143 anyway.
Nov 13 - 144.6 Blah
Nov 14 - Not weighing today. UUAD yesterday
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:08 AM   #413
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Stats: 198/194.4/160
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: September 1, 2012
November Goal: 180
Ended October at 187.6

11/1: 186.6 UD
11/2: 187.2 DD
11/3: 185.8 UD
11/4: 186.8 DD
11/5: 186.2 UD
11/6: 185.8 DD
11/7: 185.0 UD
11/8: 185.4 DD
11/9: 184.8 UD
11/10: 185.6 DD
11/11: 184.6 UD
11/12: 186.7 DD Salty food--- at least I hope that's it
11/13: 185.4 UD Rings still tight from take out
11/14: 186.4 DD
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:13 AM   #414
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November Goal - 247.0

11/11 - 251.8 - DD
11/12 - 249.2 - UD
11/13 - 247.8 - DD
11/14 - 246.0 - UD

Man I must have been retaining some fluid.....
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:42 AM   #415
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I've been floating around in the 160's way too long so goal is to get to 159.9 by month's end.

11/1 UD: 167
11/2 DD: 166.6
11/3 UD: 164.0
11/4-11/7: DNW out of town
11/8 DD: 166.0 TOM
11/9 UD: 165.2 TOM
11/10 DD: 164.8 TOM
11/11 UD: 162.4 TOM Finally back to october low
11/12 DD: Did not weigh, 100 calorie DD
11/13 UD: 159.8 Yay new Decade and goal for the month, now lets see it permanently
11/14 DD: 161.4 and its back
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:05 AM   #416
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WOE: HCG- highest wt 250 lbs!!!
Start Date: 1/1/2014 LC 2/17/14 Hhcg
Started JUDDD 10/1/2012 @ 198.0
Ended October @ 192.8 for loss of 5.2#

GOAL FOR NOVEMBER 185#

11/1 192.8 DD <500 cal. (STS after yesterday's UD )
11/2 191.0 UD = 1940 cal
11/3 192.0 DD Aiming in between 500-800 today
11/4 191.8 UD - Turned into an UUAD
11/5 DNW DD - aiming for around 400 calories (422 exactly!)
11/6 192.4 UD - not too bad considering my UUAD
11/7 192.0 DD - Hmmmm, down after a pretty UP UD No complaints!!!
11/8 190.0 UD - aiming for 1940
11/9 192.0 DD - bouncy bouncy!!! <500 today
11/10 191 UD
11/11 191.2 DD turned into UD
11/12 DNW DD < 500 calories - yesterday was big UD
11/13 191.8 UD - 1940 calories
11/14 192.8 DD Traveling for a work conference so we'll see!

Not making much progress this month but at least I'm not gaining
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3/4/14 GOAL #2 194.6 (20 LBS EVICTED FOR 2014)
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:10 AM   #417
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WOE: Back to JUDDD!
Goal for November: I'd love to be under 174 (like Carly, no longer overweight!)
Ended October 180.4

11/01 - 179.0 - UD - 1910
11/02 - 180.8 - DD - 355 BOING!!
11/03 - 179.6 - UD - 1914 totally estimated lunch though.
11/04 - 180.2 - DD - 257 (net -28)
11/05 - 179.0 - UD - 1890 A bit sore today from treadmill.
11/06 - 178.8 - DD - 360
11/07 - 178.8 - UD - 1913, maybe more, that's my best estimate.
11/08 - 179.2 - DD - 374
11/09 - 178.6 - UD - 1910 Grr, can't break through that darn 100 lb mark!
11/10 - 178.2 - DD - 259
11/11 - 177.4 - UD - 1908 100.2 pounds total since 10/24/11.
11/12 - 178.4 - DD - 261 Big bounce for me. TOM is here early, too, so I'm not worried about it.
11/13 - 177.0 - UD - 1908 TOM
11/14 - 176.8 - DD - >500
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Atkins 10/24/11 @ 277.6
JUDDD 12/12/11 @ 267.8
January 2013 @ 165.0: Maintaining however feels the most comfortable with little bouts of WLM thrown in here and there.
January 2014 @ 145: Maintaining with 5:2 and/or JUDDD
July 2014, weight is creeping up: Back to JUDDD.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:17 AM   #418
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Posts: 571
Gallery: halos
Stats: (275)256/240/140
Start Date: 9/24/2013
Starting weight 252

11/10 UD 252
11/11 DD 250 -815
11/12 UD 249 -1590
11/13 DD 247 -575
11/14 UD 246.5 -I hope this trend continues
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:32 AM   #419
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,051
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November Goal: 160 (ambitious, I know)

11/3- 168.2
11/6- 163.8 (disappeared for a week)
11/12- 166.2 accountability weigh in DD
11/13- 164.2 UD
11/14- DNW DD

(will weigh again Thursday after another DD).

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Old 11-14-2012, 06:34 AM   #420
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: California
Posts: 141
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Stats: 159/125/130 5'5"
WOE: JUDDD/5:2
Decided to start back weighing daily and get back to weight loss mode
Goal: lose 5 pounds

11/08/12 DD 135.0
11/09/12 UD 134.6
11/10/12 DD 135.0
11/11/12 UD 134.0
11/12/12 MD 134.6 Turned into an UD
11/13/12 DD 135.4 TOM
11/14/12 UD 133.8 TOM
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