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Old 09-03-2012, 05:16 PM   #1
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How bad does TOM affect the JUDDD experience?

Yep. I'm still having them (cue the swear words). And it looks like my first one since starting JUDDD is starting to crank up. I would have been very happy if my body had finally decided to give it up this month.

Have y'all seen about the same level of water retention/stalling during TOM as you did before JUDDD? I'm trying to mentally prepare myself for a week or so of disappointment.
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Most of the gals still *of the age* experience weight stall or gain during TOM but don't fret it much, knowing it is just water retention, as per Mother Nature for that time of the cycle. sigh...

So don't focus on the scale weight. It means nothing. Just keep JUDDDing right on through, knowing that although the scale may be showing you weight gain from water retention, your body is still busy losing FAT all those days! It may not be showing on the scale... the water retention may be overshadowing it as far as the scale can tell, but if you're still JUDDDing, you're still going to be losing body fat. And when the water weight is shed again, women often see a new low number, or at least that the damage wasn't lasting.
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Yes, I find a may slow or stall just before, but can expect a whoosh as soon as PMS is over and TOM starts. The day before I'm very hungry, but I do not give in. That is the only time I experience that wanting to gnaw my arm off hungry. It pass though. Chech out the July and August daily weigher threads most of us record TOM so you can see how our bodies cope with it before, during and after.

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I'm just back at this after an absence but I would notice a gain around ovulation and then another gain during TOM. They both did go away but it didn't mean scale frustration. Pat is right; don't focus on the scale as hard as it may be.

My body is in a whacked out perimenopause state which really makes for wonky hormones. TOM has become anything but regular so I'm going to watch with interest to see what happens.
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My body is in a whacked out perimenopause state which really makes for wonky hormones. TOM has become anything but regular so I'm going to watch with interest to see what happens.
Me too. Mine was due to arrive yesterday, and my weight is already back up the 3.5 lbs. that I lost over my first two weeks of JUDDD.

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Me too. Mine was due to arrive yesterday, and my weight is already back up the 3.5 lbs. that I lost over my first two weeks of JUDDD.
My first TOM on JUDDD was without incident but my second one involved outrageous water retention and hunger, so I think you have to gut it out. Don't assume that 3.5 lbs is fat, and don't freak out if it takes another week to whoosh away.
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My first TOM on JUDDD was without incident but my second one involved outrageous water retention and hunger, so I think you have to gut it out. Don't assume that 3.5 lbs is fat, and don't freak out if it takes another week to whoosh away.
Yes. If you are respecting your calorie ceilings and doing your calorie rotations, you know you are not packing on any body fat. Therefore, it's merely water retention, and that's no big deal. It comes. It goes. We eat a few more carbs, we retain a bit more. We eat a lower carb day and shed a bit of water weight. Salt, MSG.. our bodies fluctuate in the fluid amount we have stored within us all the time anyway, so this is just another time and another reason for it.

But all the time JUDDDers are still losing body fat, even if there is a reason to be having a little fluid retention. Nice to be able to relax about it - meh - and not let it get to you.
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Don't assume that 3.5 lbs is fat, and don't freak out if it takes another week to whoosh away.
For the past few years my weight has been fluctuating up & down 5 lbs. of water weight around my TOM. So I won't be freaking out over it...but I definitely won't be stepping on the scale tomorrow after today's UD.
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I have had both barely noticeable cycles and ravenous mama bear cycles. I'm sure that is at least partially related to fat burning and releasing various chemicals/hormones that either subdue pms type symptoms or enrage the bear. I could live without the horrible times, and I do not always just drop the weight after cycle, but it does seem to even out.
Totally with you on the "STILL" feeling. Not using the ovaries or uterus, isn't there just an off switch, or at least a dimmer switch to install?
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Sooooo.... 3 days till TOM starts and am totally sugar bingeing today. Am having a diet coke to stop it this is my first one sice starting JUDDDD so am interested to see if the scales drop next week. I have had 3 DD this week and really, no drop on the scale, just up and back. I thought I had done really well treating myself to UD today and tomorrow to get this sugar thing outta my system. Are 3 DD a week ok with 4 UD's??
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Totally with you on the "STILL" feeling. Not using the ovaries or uterus, isn't there just an off switch, or at least a dimmer switch to install?

No kidding--show me the switch! Twenty years ago you would never have convinced me that I would still be regular as clockwork approaching my 55th birthday. It's just wrong.
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I went from 191.8 to 195 this time...

Please let it just be water retention that doesn't seem to be whooshing away...
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Still no sign of Aunt Flow! My luck the old bitty will show up a week late on Mon. - when I go into the hospital for my hip replacement surgery. My weight is holding at 155, which I haven't been able to stay below in the past few years doing SB & what led me to try JUDDD in attempts of getting below that set point pre surgery. Oh well... Farewell for now! Best Wishes to you all on your JUDDD journeys!

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My thoughts will be with you, SlimNana, on Monday. Best wishes for a fast recovery. I will have a hip replacement in my future (they wanted to do it when I was in my early 20's and I said HECK NO!), so I'll be anxious to see how it goes for you.
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I am also in perimenapause and the TOM that showed up in July (after 3 months, grrrrrr) totally killed my month. I ate faithfully in rotation all month and had a 1 pound gain to show for the month. It was very disheartening. If you are having regular cycles I don't think you have the same whacked out hormonal issues that did me in though. While you might have some water retention as most of the folks here have stated, it's no biggie. It comes. It goes.
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TOM negatively effects my life experience, but I do get crazy hungry the day before. I usually know that TOM is the cause and resist over eating. That's really the only time I experience hunger as painful. If it's an UD I'm fine.
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Luckily, I'll be finding out how TOM affects me right in my first week of Juddd. I guess it'll be good to get that out of the way right at the beginning? I'm on my 3rd DD today, and it's the first day of the TOM... the scale this morning showed I'm a pound up from yesterday.

It'll be interesting to see just how much water I'll retain, or if this DD will be ultra hard!

So far, it's 2:49 pm, and I've had 2 pickle spears at 5 cals each, and coffee with 50 cals of half and half. I DO feel a little hungrier earlier today than I did on the other DD's- both of those I didn't even feel hungry till around 5 pm.

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Well, I'm about at the end of my TOM week, and it didn't mess with my DDs terribly, but the scale is just bouncing around the same 3-lb span over and over.

When I started JUDDD four weeks ago, it was right after my TOM week, so I'm going to assume things will start rolling again next week. It's annoying, but I'll learn to live with it.
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TOM is here for me this week, and I'm a pound away from where I started JUDDD 4 weeks ago. I'm trying not to let it bother me, but the thing is I know I could do better with my eating--been on a big salt kick and munching on potato chips every other day! So I'm pretty sure if it's not the water retention, then it's got to be that I've eaten 3-4 pounds worth of bad food the past week!

Since starting this WOE, this is the first time I've truly felt disappointed in myself for getting back into the 200's after blissfully experiencing Onederland 2 weeks ago. Well, maybe I can blame my emotions on Aunt Flo too.....
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Thank you for your well wishes! All went well with my surgery, except I am now so bloated with water weight (at least 10 lbs.) that I feel like I'm going to explode out of my own skin! I can only imagine the first time I step on the scale Sat. morning after today's DD.

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Be gentle with yourself and know that your body's going to be holding on to water to aid in the healing process. How are you doing otherwise?
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Be gentle with yourself and know that your body's going to be holding on to water to aid in the healing process. How are you doing otherwise?
I guess as well as can be expected. Fortunately I am considered very healthy and young for a total hip replacement. I had it done through an anterior approach, with an epidural along with sedation for optimal pain relief and recovery post op. I only have stitches internally and they used something like super glue to close the incision, so I don't have any visible stitches or staples that need to be removed. I was discharged from the hospital the following afternoon after surgery, and two sessions of PT. For the next two weeks I'll be doing PT at home, until I hopefully get clearance to drive and won't any longer need crutches to walk.

My biggest concern now (beyond infection and blood clots) is gaining more weight during recovery while being so sedentary. Especially since so many well meaning people have brought me food with high carbs like pasta, which I'll save for my UDs. I am hoping that continuing with JUDDD will help me to lose weight instead of gain (or at least maintain) during this period of recovery, since I'm also hypothyroid and peri-menopausal.
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Today's my first TOM on JUDDD - I was wondering why I didn't get my usual post-DD drop, and lo and behold, HELLO! (lol)

Odd things about this cycle -

No chocolate cravings or other warning signs yesterday. I usually can tell when TOM's coming because I'm always in the kitchen. Yesterday was just another DD, no problems at all.

I'm early - about 4 days early according to my calendar - and I've been regular like clockwork since my youngest was born.
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My first TOM was 2 weeks late this month, which was my first one since starting JUDDD. And I'm beginning to wonder that maybe Intermittent Fasting does effect our female hormones, because of the VLC. Anyone know if there's been any research done on that?

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I just had my IUD out a couple months ago. I wasn't visited by TOM for several years while I had it. Since then, I had one regular cycle, then my last cycle was a week EARLY and lasted a little longer than the previous one. I'm hoping this is NOT a trend, and that it will go back to normal soon.
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I started JUDDDing late March and didn't record when TOM started in April, but here it is starting in May- it has not been 28 days yet.
May 17th- TOM started
June 19th- " "
July 20th- " "
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Sept ?- It's already the 27th.
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Research on Female specific responses to IF

http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/*"First, a couple of rodent studies have looked at alternate-day fasting for male and female rats and found significant negative hormonal changes occurring in the females. *Second, human studies on alternate day fasting have not been conducted on women of reproductive age at all, nor have any studies analyzed reproductive responses to fasting. * Third, the few studies that have been conducted on non-obese women have demonstrated that their metabolic responses are not nearly as robust as those of men, and may in fact be antagonistic to their health."

http://endo.endojournals.org/content/148/9/4318*"For female rats, even in the most innocuous form of restriction–intermittent fasting–significant physiological changes take place. *Male rats do not experience as dramatic hippocampal and general brain chemistry change as female rats do, and their behaviors, specifically their cognition and their dirunal and nocturnal activity, do not change. *Female rats, on the other hand, “masculinize.” *They stop ovulating and menstruating. *They become hyper-alert, have better memories, and are more energetic during the periods in which they are supposed to be sleep. *Theoretically, according to these researchers, this is an adaptive response to starvation. *The more the female rats need calories– or at least the more their bodies detect a “starvation” state– the more they develop traits that will help them find food. *They get smart, they get active, and they stop sleeping."
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http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0004146*"In a follow-up study conducted by the same researchers who explored the masculinzation of female rats, the researchers analyzed the gonadal transcription of male and female rats subjected to IF regimes. *They found that male reproductivity up-regulate in response to the metabolic stress, and that the female reproductivity down-regulated. *In response to the female rats become infertile and masculinized, male rats become more fertile." *
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Not sure if it's due to the IF or fat loss (or maybe both). I think I read right here on our boards that losing fat releases hormones that were stored in the fat, which would affect our cycles.

Anyway, my cycle had always been extremely punctual (28 days exact cycle) pretty much all my life except during periods where I'm actively losing weight. When I was in wlm doing JUDDD, my cycles were all over the place, either TOM came late or would come early. It was unpredictable. Then towards the end when I got within a few pounds of goal weight and was barely losing, my cycles returned to the 28 day exact cycle again. Right now in maintenance, even while still doing JUDDD, my cycles are 28-day exactly every month.
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