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Deen73 08-22-2012 08:42 PM

Bullet-Proof Coffee... do we count the calories?
 
On a down day, is what I'm asking about. Not sure -- that's a lot of calories to just ignore, so I'm really unsure about this one. What do you think?

KeirasMom 08-23-2012 05:13 AM

I would. Several of us here experimented with not counting EVCO, and found that a lot of us gained or stalled by not counting it. YMMV.

Deen73 08-23-2012 07:05 AM

Ok, thanks for the input. I may save it for the UD's, then, because, with the butter added too, that's a lot of calories! :)

sunday 08-23-2012 07:24 AM

I never found the bulletproof coffee to be satisfying enough to abstain from eating on a DD. I would rather have black coffee and be able to eat something for dinner! :)

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jem51 08-23-2012 08:59 AM

Heck Yeah!!!

I agree Sunday. Not worth spending the cals for.

stephdray 08-23-2012 09:20 AM

I count the calories. It tides me over to a @300 cal dinner. The other DD that's all I had. Just the fat in the coffee. However, I'm still experimenting. For some people it may be 200 calories down the flipping drain that gives them no relief.

Deen73 08-23-2012 03:49 PM

So, Steph -- you use it as a meal-replacement almost on the DD's? For the first two meals of the day, that is. That's a great idea -- wonder if it would satisfy me that long... I'm on my third DD today, and this is actually the first day I've had much real hunger. Must be something in the air, as I've been reading about hunger a lot on this board lately! lol :)

stephdray 08-23-2012 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deen73 (Post 15893999)
So, Steph -- you use it as a meal-replacement almost on the DD's? For the first two meals of the day, that is. That's a great idea -- wonder if it would satisfy me that long... I'm on my third DD today, and this is actually the first day I've had much real hunger. Must be something in the air, as I've been reading about hunger a lot on this board lately! lol :)

Yep. Like a shake.

piratejenny 08-23-2012 05:28 PM

Is this a new thing around here? Did I miss the bullet-proof coffee bandwagon? :laugh:

sorenkkg 08-23-2012 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratejenny (Post 15894189)
Is this a new thing around here? Did I miss the bullet-proof coffee bandwagon? :laugh:

me too. Not that I need any more caffeine :jumpjoy::stars::jumpjoy::stars: when I just have green tea...

but I like to know what's the what. Links to bulletproof coffee please :)

Yam-Yam 08-23-2012 05:41 PM

I did a Google search and found a great site with a recipe. Man, it sounds good. I was tempted to try it right then. However, I'm in the middle of a great DD where I've only had 40 calories (half and half in my coffee this morning) and lots and lots of water. I'm not feeling hungry at all and every time I step on the scale it's been going down a teensy bit every time. This may be a sign I'm getting rid of that weird bounce up I experienced yesterday morning. Don't know. Gonna hang in there. But, some time soon it's Bullet-Proof coffee for me!

Yam-Yam 08-23-2012 05:46 PM

This is the recipe I found:

Recipe

Start with 500 ml (2 mugs) of black coffee brewed with mold-free beans (important)
Add 2 Tbs (or more, I prefer 80 grams, about 2/3 of a standard stick of butter) of Kerry Gold or other UNSALTED grass-fed butter
Add 30 grams of MCT oil for max energy, weight loss and brain function (optional if you have none)
Blend with a pre-heated hand blender, Magic Bullet, or (best) counter top blender until there is a creamy head of foam

Itís really fast and easy to prepare. Allow me to stat that salted coffee is a crime. Do not do this with salted butter. Bleah.

Kerrygold butter or another grass-fed brand of butter really matters because corn or soy-fed cows donít make butter with the same fats. Those butters donít blend well, donít taste good, and donít make you feel Bulletproof.

Grass-fed butter is much healthier than other butter. It doesnít make cholesterol levels worse, it optimizes them! Starting your day with grass-fed butter will give you lots of energy and it will give your body healthy fats that it will use to make cell walls and hormones.

If youíre like most of my friends who try this, your body is so starved for healthy fats that you feel like you canít get enough. It will take your body a week or so to fully turn on its fat digestion systems when you switch to a high healthy fat breakfast of Bulletproof coffee. If at first it is a little too rich, try using less butter at first and build up to the amount you like. Taking a betaine HCl or digestive enzyme supplement with your coffee will also help your body digest the butter."

After I read it, I looked up MCT oil and it sounds like EVCO would act just like MCT. So, I'm going to take Stephanie's lead and make it with coconut oil. I love the idea of blending it in the blender so it has a nice foam.

piratejenny 08-23-2012 05:53 PM

Oh, I'd heard of it before (and it's not entirely unlike the "butter tea" drunk in Asia);
I just wondered when it became a "thing" with the JUDDD BUDDDs! :hyst:

ETA:
I think I found it!
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ju...l#post15888036

sunday 08-23-2012 06:19 PM

Just a little warning. If you are not used to high fat, this can cause some tummy issues. ;)

I suffered a bit the first few times that I made this. If I have coffee instead of tea on a DD, I like mine black or with h/h to save my calories.

One cup of bulletproof made according to recipe has about 304 calories, but it will boost the fatburning for the day. :)

stephdray 08-23-2012 08:09 PM

Just FYI, I do not follow the original recipe. Mine is this:

8 oz of coffee (brewed from whatever bean from wherever)
1 tbsp coconut oil (nutiva brand)
1 tbsp unsalted butter (generic brand--I've even used salted)

I whir it in my magic bullet. Then I sip at it.

The reason I started drinking it was that I was desperate to find something, anything, that would help me hold on through my main working hours until dinner. Carbs in the morning were a disaster for me. Even Greek yogurt wasn't doing the trick. Eggs were better. So, I thought I'd try straight fat.

I am not yet fully convinced that it's worth the @200 calorie expenditure on a DD, but I do admit that not only have I been losing faster, but it does seem to have some staying power.

piratejenny 08-23-2012 08:46 PM

Sounds like it's really working for you, Steph, and I hope it continues to do so. :up:

There have been discussions in a couple other JUDDD threads about whether having fat in the morning, but no protein or carbs, still counts as "fasting".

Since I'm diabetic and take my blood sugar in the morning and whenever I do food/supplement experiments, I can tell you that my body does not seem to register fat alone as a signal that the fast is over. In my case, this is bad; my blood sugar (and presumably cortisol) remains elevated for hours & hours or until I eat protein or carbohydrate. Breakfast really *is* the most important meal of the day, for people like me!!! :rolleyes:

But for those of you for whom fasting isn't a problem, I think my blood sugar readings show that fat might not "break the fast", and the benefits & fat burning will continue. :up:

I'm not sure this means that the calories "don't count".
But since they aren't triggering insulin, they probably can't get stored, so they get used up.

Quote:

Allow me to state that salted coffee is a crime.
Oh, phooey! Salt is alkaline and will counteract the acidity in coffee.
Many years ago, a friend taught me to put a pinch of salt into the coffee grounds before brewing--it makes it "smooth"! :D

sunday 08-23-2012 08:57 PM

Steph,
I may try your way instead. I love coffee or tea for breakfast. :)

PJ~ I believe you are correct on the fat fast. I am going to try it again and will let you know how it goes. I have seen a lot of folks do this and fast right on through the day. I sure like to have a dinner, so I am wondering if I can't make it a 200 cal cup and then have a 200 cal dinner?

stephdray 08-23-2012 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratejenny (Post 15894576)
There have been discussions in a couple other JUDDD threads about whether having fat in the morning, but no protein or carbs, still counts as "fasting".

Anything that helps trick my body is good.

Quote:

Since I'm diabetic and take my blood sugar in the morning and whenever I do food/supplement experiments, I can tell you that my body does not seem to register fat alone as a signal that the fast is over. In my case, this is bad; my blood sugar (and presumably cortisol) remains elevated for hours & hours or until I eat protein or carbohydrate. Breakfast really *is* the most important meal of the day, for people like me!!! :rolleyes:

But for those of you for whom fasting isn't a problem, I think my blood sugar readings show that fat might not "break the fast", and the benefits & fat burning will continue. :up:

I'm not sure this means that the calories "don't count".
But since they aren't triggering insulin, they probably can't get stored, so they get used up.
Yeah, I am still counting the calories but maybe at some point I won't. I'm not sure if coconut oil helps in the process or not, but I seem to respond to it well.

Quote:

Oh, phooey! Salt is alkaline and will counteract the acidity in coffee.
Many years ago, a friend taught me to put a pinch of salt into the coffee grounds before brewing--it makes it "smooth"! :D
I haven't minded a pinch of salt in mine ;)

adillenal 08-24-2012 03:33 AM

I agree with PJ on the salt. I add salt to the grounds since I read it is supposed to help with bitterness. It is a habit now so I don't know if it works or not.
BUT I don't like anything but cream as a fat source in my coffee so I won't be trying bulletproof coffee.

vanilla_latte 08-24-2012 01:00 PM

So ... does sweetener of choice go into this stuff? Somehow, SF DaVinci Salted Caramel seems a good choice.

sorenkkg 08-24-2012 01:18 PM

BTW-- do you drink this hot, or cold?

SpinDizzie 08-24-2012 04:02 PM

I don't do coffee with butter, but with coconut oil. I like to do IF, and can easily go 16hrs with what Mike O'Donnell likes to call "a cup of Starvation Mode." :)

stephdray 08-24-2012 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sorenkkg (Post 15896126)
BTW-- do you drink this hot, or cold?

I drink it hot. And I use a drop of splenda in it if I'm feeling needy.

Jbinme 08-24-2012 05:07 PM

I had this this morning and it was pretty good! No hwc or sweetner. That's new for me! Blending in the magic bullet made all the difference. I tried just stirring the other day and I didn't like it.

stephdray 08-24-2012 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jbinme (Post 15896505)
I had this this morning and it was pretty good! No hwc or sweetner. That's new for me! Blending in the magic bullet made all the difference. I tried just stirring the other day and I didn't like it.

I was quite impressed with it only after I used the magic bullet.

piratejenny 08-24-2012 07:39 PM

Here's a tip on how to mix it right in the cup:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ma...oil-slick.html

If I have to haul out the blender in order to make something AND wash out the pitcher,
I probably won't bother! :laugh:
I love my immersion blender!!!

jem51 08-24-2012 08:59 PM

When I made this, I used an immersion blender. I would still rather eat my cals but it was an interesting experiment.
I used Organic Valley Pastured butter....If I want to enjoy the wonderful flavor of this product, I don't want to hide it in a cup of coffee.

SportFat 08-25-2012 01:39 AM

This is another one of those posts that, to me in England, reads as though it comes from another universe :)

Magic bullet? Bullet proof coffee?? BUTTER IN COFFEE???

Sacrilege! I don't seem to have a problem during the day now. I drink my coffee and redbush tea black (or red I suppose) and don't really feel hungry now I have slowly moved my food down the day.

I do take a few pieces of fruit into work and have miso paste, if I really need to feel as though I have eaten something - I have 3 different types so I can ring the changes, all for about 12 kcals.

Kissa 08-25-2012 06:53 AM

LOL, it is an education for us Brits reading here isn't it?

KeirasMom 08-25-2012 07:51 AM

That's quite alright. After all, you introduced me to Marmite, so the learning goes both ways. :hyst:


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