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Old 08-18-2012, 08:20 AM   #31
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Truthfully, I think most peop who struggle w weight or even diet hoppers, are insuling resistant.

As you continue to follow JUDDD these problems will improve. If you read some of the links on research, this is discussed. JUDDD is a healing diet.

I think it is way too early to start spending $$ on specialists, supplements, etc.
It is up to you but often you just throw away $.

Allow JUDDD time to get the SIRT1 fully on board.
Think about your cals but this is not about starvation.
Keep your DD's the full 36 (give or take) hours.
Make sure UD's are not low cal even if you don't consume all (try to come close, though).

One of the successful JUDDD buds on another forum found a little tidbit that was written by Dukan. It states something to the effect that for each # lost there is a certain amout of time your body will take to stabilize.

She will have a whoosh, then nothing for....a while. She just stays the course and it is working fabulously.
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:41 AM   #32
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It does sound like you might be highly insulin resistant. Have you considered doing a fat fast for both UD's and DD's for a week or so to see if you can shock your body into dropping some weight. I can't remember who, but I've seen someone on JUDDD who did that and it seemed to work very well. Just a thought.

Also I lose much better if I stick to around 350 calories at least 2-3 days a week instead of going with a strait 500. I try to even keep my body guessing on how many calories its getting on its DD and that seems to work well :laugh:

How amazing you have been working on this for 2 years. I think if you find that tweak that is somehow holding your body up, you should be able to go down again.
I agree with this idea and I think it has helped me. If I'm really hungy before bed on a DD I make some miracle noodles or rice with some sort of flavor for less than 40 calories and fall right to sleep.
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Truthfully, I think most peop who struggle w weight or even diet hoppers, are insuling resistant.

As you continue to follow JUDDD these problems will improve. If you read some of the links on research, this is discussed. JUDDD is a healing diet.

I think it is way too early to start spending $$ on specialists, supplements, etc.
It is up to you but often you just throw away $.

Allow JUDDD time to get the SIRT1 fully on board.
Think about your cals but this is not about starvation.
Keep your DD's the full 36 (give or take) hours.
Make sure UD's are not low cal even if you don't consume all (try to come close, though).

One of the successful JUDDD buds on another forum found a little tidbit that was written by Dukan. It states something to the effect that for each # lost there is a certain amout of time your body will take to stabilize.

She will have a whoosh, then nothing for....a while. She just stays the course and it is working fabulously.
Great post! Agree wholeheartedly!
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I agree with this idea and I think it has helped me. If I'm really hungy before bed on a DD I make some miracle noodles or rice with some sort of flavor for less than 40 calories and fall right to sleep.
I was just reading the new First magazine and one of the things suggested for insomnia is a 1/2 cup of jasmine rice with dinner. Helps to raise the serotonin levels. 1/2 cup is 51 calories. A little rice with sweetener would be a great bedtime snack. I'll have to try that.
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PLEASE DO NOT QUIT! I have just went through a stall and was getting a little bit worried, wondering how long to go before shaking it up somehow. The past three weeks I bumped up a couple pounds after a stressful event and then lost nothing for an entire three weeks. TODAY though I got on the scale to a 3.9 pound loss and a new low! I weigh every other day religiously, so that loss is since my Thursday weigh in. I could barely believe my eyes, but checked twice on the spot, and then came back a few minutes later for one more verification!

A few of things that I KNOW affect me: First, HEAT. I retain water when the temps start rising I start holding onto it. I can tell that despite the big loss today that I am still retaining as my ring still doesn't want to come off. I also think that as fat is burned away the cells, which are still there, fill with water. At some point the body will release the water and there will be a whoosh!

Another staller for me is worse than normal STRESS. Since starting this way of eating in April, I've had two very stressful events. Both times my weight loss stalled, both times it took some time to get going again. The first time nearly three weeks, and this time three full weeks. Stress causes a blast of cortisol and that sends powerful messages to the body. I think that it's primal, the hormones trigger a preservation response to perceived danger, so they don't release anything -- a way of protecting the body.

Diet soda: Your mileage may vary, however my body decided that the fake sugar was the same as the regular stuff. As soon as I quit it completely the weight started to come off. I didn't see a decent rate of loss though until finding JUDDD. I still have sugar but never a diet pop, which I used to live on.

One other thing, bodies need quality food. Are you eating plenty of foods which supply those nutrients? If not, it may be holding on wondering where, or when the real stuff will be provided. I eat whatever I want now, including "goodies" at times however I now balance it with what my body needs. It's the least I can do!

So, there can be a lot of reasons that play into stalls, those are a few I've experienced.

Very glad to hear that your thyroid levels are going to be checked, I recommend you look over the results yourself and not simply rely on doc telling you that they are fine.

One thing is for sure, if you quit the Whoosh Fairy will not drop by. I am wishing you much JUDDD magic and a visit very, very soon from the Whoosh Fairy!

Hugs to you,
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Connie your post rings true with me. I allow myself 1 diet soda per week and I think that helps my losses too.
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Good to read your post, Connie. And Woo Hoo! Glad the Whoosh Fairy visited you.

You can never tell for other people, but overall it really does seem like the ones who are the most successful overall are the ones who just do straight uncomplicated plain ol' boring Up and Down JUDDD.

I think so often we think of this eating plan as a *weight loss plan* only, when its strength and value to us should be recognized a whole lot more for what it is: A Healing Eating Plan.

And sometimes it seems like it takes a bit of the healing part before our bodies respond well to the weight loss part, but if we screw around too much with it all as it's designed, too soon especially, we never let it get to the part where it's really working well for us. Alter this and alter that very much, and pretty soon it's not quite JUDDD after all. It might certainly still be a general low calorie diet, or an IF plan of some sort, but it's no longer really JUDDD, and I always question whether it will be able to work its magic as well. Eventually.
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Oh I forgot to answer this---I got a glucose meter a few weeks ago to test if I am, and the answer seems to be borderline yes. I did an at home glucose tolerance test (carby bagel after long fast, then testing blood sugar at 1, 2 and 3 hours after) and was not type II but definitely too high for my comfort (141 one hour after carby bagel test--the site I've been perusing used above 140 as the danger zone/insulin resistant). I've been spot-checking after various foods since, and the highest reading so far one hour after eating has been 133; it's been between 100 and 120 all other times I've checked. So there's that piece...
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Honestly, your numbers look pretty good.
Home meters aren't super-accurate; I *know* mine reads about 15pts high (checked it when I got labwork done). So even though 140 is "bad", I wouldn't worry too much about 141, esp. if a bagel is an unusual thing for you to eat.

To *really* check your reaction to food, though, you need to test every 15 minutes after you eat for the first hour. By 60 minutes, your bg is probably coming down. I'd be interested in seeing how high it spiked.
(After 1 hour, I would test at 90 & 120 minutes.)

Another important number is your fasting blood glucose; take it as soon as you wake up in the morning.

I know most strips aren't cheap, but WalMart has a couple meters that work with really reasonable strips. The brand is ReliOn. Let me know if you need any info. You can often get a free meter from your doctor, but the cost of the strips can be crazy.

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I do definitely need to get more omega-3s, I have some fish oil to use up but it gives me the burps so I'm not religious about it.
I recently started taking krill oil instead of fish oil, and I don't get burps at all!
There are also some non-fishy sources of omega-3s, like chia, hemp & flax seeds or oil.
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Connie, your post gives me hope! It HAS been stinking and uncharacteristically hot here (triple digits) for the past week, and now that you mention it, my rings have been snug, too--I really didn't know heat did that, but it of course makes perfect sense (even though I'm soooo lucky to have AC at work and home). I never ever drink diet soda--or really any soda; and I eat an insanely organo-free-range-grassfed diet that I really can't afford, but do it anyway since I see it as an investment in my longterm health (Sally Fallon and Michael Pollan are my heroes!). And stress...I'm fighting back from some injuries with a bit of extra pain, which I'm certain isn't helping things. Sometimes my usual coping technique of living with chronic pain (arthritis) of just flat-out ignoring it really works against me--I need to take into account the toll any extra discomfort takes on me.

All good points--thanks so much for the support and perspective, every piece of the puzzle helps! High-fiving you on your whoosh!\
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PLEASE DO NOT QUIT! I have just went through a stall and was getting a little bit worried, wondering how long to go before shaking it up somehow. The past three weeks I bumped up a couple pounds after a stressful event and then lost nothing for an entire three weeks. TODAY though I got on the scale to a 3.9 pound loss and a new low! I weigh every other day religiously, so that loss is since my Thursday weigh in. I could barely believe my eyes, but checked twice on the spot, and then came back a few minutes later for one more verification!

A few of things that I KNOW affect me: First, HEAT. I retain water when the temps start rising I start holding onto it. I can tell that despite the big loss today that I am still retaining as my ring still doesn't want to come off. I also think that as fat is burned away the cells, which are still there, fill with water. At some point the body will release the water and there will be a whoosh!

Another staller for me is worse than normal STRESS. Since starting this way of eating in April, I've had two very stressful events. Both times my weight loss stalled, both times it took some time to get going again. The first time nearly three weeks, and this time three full weeks. Stress causes a blast of cortisol and that sends powerful messages to the body. I think that it's primal, the hormones trigger a preservation response to perceived danger, so they don't release anything -- a way of protecting the body.

Diet soda: Your mileage may vary, however my body decided that the fake sugar was the same as the regular stuff. As soon as I quit it completely the weight started to come off. I didn't see a decent rate of loss though until finding JUDDD. I still have sugar but never a diet pop, which I used to live on.

One other thing, bodies need quality food. Are you eating plenty of foods which supply those nutrients? If not, it may be holding on wondering where, or when the real stuff will be provided. I eat whatever I want now, including "goodies" at times however I now balance it with what my body needs. It's the least I can do!

So, there can be a lot of reasons that play into stalls, those are a few I've experienced.

Very glad to hear that your thyroid levels are going to be checked, I recommend you look over the results yourself and not simply rely on doc telling you that they are fine.

One thing is for sure, if you quit the Whoosh Fairy will not drop by. I am wishing you much JUDDD magic and a visit very, very soon from the Whoosh Fairy!

Hugs to you,
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Old 08-19-2012, 06:55 AM   #41
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Hang in there...it is funny about the heat. Even when I'm in a air conditioned space most of the time, my body seems to know it's blazing out anyway.
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If you know you are honoring your UD and DD calories just give it a little more time. The best analogy I can make is : As soon as someone stops searching for love (or someone to date) the right person seems to appear. I find with JUDDD when I surrender to a stall and say OK, my body just needs time.... whoosh, down I go!
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Ahhhh, called out on my control freak ways! Well, hard as it is to accept what is, it has been 2 years of fighting my post-atkins stall, and if I didn't keep trying, nothing really does happen for my body. With a 28% of my original body weight loss, it's hard enough just to keep from regaining, sigh. But I'm really, really hoping that the lovely special weight loss gene is just taking its time arriving and when it does I'll actually start to lose again. It has been 5 weeks on JUDDD now, as of today, so as usual I am not the usual!

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How is it going Patty? I haven't been around much so didn't see this earlier.

I love the "Keep on keeping on" mentality. And.... "this is not a race".
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Hi Patty, I read something the other day that made me think of your fat cell guards...

When the calcium levels in your fat cells are low, it signals the cells to store more fat!
More calcium=less fat!!!

Idk if this means we're not getting enough calcium in our diets, or if it's not getting into our cells. If the latter, then maybe the cell membrane permeability that I mentioned earlier is part of the puzzle.

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The stall she is continuing, sigh...I am thinking to give it the full 6 weeks of no losses and then experimenting with decreasing down days, if a couple weeks of that gives no joy, then decreasing up days. I also will be getting some bloodwork done in a couple of days to rule out low thyroid. I am struggling a bit and tanked a purported DD yesterday, but usually sticking to the rotations quite well. On the plus side, I'm not gaining really easy, so this may be my maintenance level! Thanks for checking in, my dear...
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Calcium...that's one I really haven't supplemented at all, I should have my doc test that level too, thanks PJ! Oh, and I just heard about a folk remedy for arthritis from my Physical Therapist to the Stars (she's amazing, and I'd jump off a cliff if she told me it would help my back!)---golden raisins soaked in gin! Apparently you eat 9 a day to reduce inflammation, and she swears by it and has all the other physical therapists there using them. I have a pan of them soaking right now, I'll let you know the results!
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Hi Patty, I read something the other day that made me think of your fat cell guards...

When the calcium levels in your fat cells are low, it signals the cells to store more fat!
More calcium=less fat!!!

Idk if this means we're not getting enough calcium in our diets, or if it's not getting into our cells. If the latter, then maybe the cell membrane permeability that I mentioned earlier is part of the puzzle.
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Now golden raisins in gin sounds more fun than glucosamine.

I remember a TV show a few years ago recommended low fat dairy products to speed weight loss... worth a try.
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I remember a TV show a few years ago recommended low fat dairy products to speed weight loss... worth a try.
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Oh, yes, I've heard the raisin thing since I was little; all the Latinas at the factory where I used to work used or talked about raisins for arthritis...but I think they soaked them in rum!

ETA:
Ok, I just Googled it in Spanish and some of the recipes say to soak them in "Ginebra" which is the word for Geneva...I guess we need Swiss raisins?

Just kidding...it also means gin!

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Calcium...that's one I really haven't supplemented at all, I should have my doc test that level too, thanks PJ! Oh, and I just heard about a folk remedy for arthritis from my Physical Therapist to the Stars (she's amazing, and I'd jump off a cliff if she told me it would help my back!)---golden raisins soaked in gin! Apparently you eat 9 a day to reduce inflammation, and she swears by it and has all the other physical therapists there using them. I have a pan of them soaking right now, I'll let you know the results!--patty
Well it figures, I don't drink/ consume alcohol, but I'd still love to know if it really helps! I was just saying in another thread that I would love to find some natural remedies for my degenerative arthritis, but I'll pass on the gin soaked raisins
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Booze is a pretty good pain killer. Does one really need the raisins?
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"Booze is a pretty good pain killer. Does one really need the raisins?"

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Hi Patty, just saw your posts here and I hope you find some answers that help you soon. I can't think of any ideas other than what has already been brought up. I did stall on JUDDD for a few weeks but found that I was losing fat and gaining muscle. I could notice it in my clothing and measurements so that was less frustrating. I hope your test results give you some answers. It sounds like you are doing everything right so hopefully a bit of time heals your metabolism and the fat cells drop their defenses. I have always tryed to followed the DD at 20% or less and eaten every UD calorie and often more and that seemed to work well for me. Not sure if the 500 cals would have worked as well but it might have as many here seem to be able to lose at that level.
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:10 AM   #59
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I looked at my log. I hit some kind of maintenance level about ten pounds ago. Gave it some time in case my body needed the break. Then I tried dropping one DD and one, not contingent, UD each week. I also changed my eating pattern on some of the 'regular' DDs/UDs (meaning I had been skipping all breakfasts and DD lunches - randomly, I started eating the occasional light breakfast and/or lunch.) I don't know if shake-ups like that will help you, but they got me losing again.
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Then I tried dropping one DD and one, not contingent, UD each week..
I don't understand what you mean by this?
What do you eat, if you're not doing an UD or DD?

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