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Old 06-07-2013, 04:52 AM   #271
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You all have provided a lot of great information, and I'd like to come back and read the links.
JUDDD is very interesting to read about, isn't it? Both the science and people's experiences on these boards.

Have you introduced yourself over on the or June threads so that more people can greet you and answer any questions that you might have?

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Old 06-07-2013, 10:29 AM   #272
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Thank you for the warm welcome SlowSure!

I recently adapted to Nutritional Ketosis. I've been keto adapted for 10 weeks now. But I really like the idea and science behind JUDDD & NK together. It seems like they could go hand in hand. And so, once I research it a little more, and have 12 weeks of NK under my belt, I'll stop in for an introduction and will be frequenting the JUDDD boards much more often!
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:39 AM   #273
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April! Nice to have you with us and I look forward to getting to know you and hearing how you do on JUDDD.
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As has been discused elsewhere LDL chlosterol can either be harmful or non harmful
it depends on the size. Here is a little brief that notes that not only does Atternet
Day Fasting lower LDL but it makes the particle size better.


Improvements in LDL particle size and distribution... [Br J Nutr. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
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Thanks, LowCarbGal! I've enjoyed reading about all of the great success you've had, Congrats!

I've just messed around over the last 5 days with extended periods of fast, aiming for 16 hours, and I really like it. I've lost more in the last week then I have in 2 months. I'm dipping my toes in, soon to try JUDDD.
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Thank you April. I hope that reading about my and others' journeys does help people like you know this really works. You're starting out great and I'll bet you'll be a full on JUDDD fanatic soon too!
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As has been discused elsewhere LDL chlosterol can either be harmful or non harmful
it depends on the size. Here is a little brief that notes that not only does Atternet
Day Fasting lower LDL but it makes the particle size better.


Improvements in LDL particle size and distribution... [Br J Nutr. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
Thank you, E.W. Important and relevant!!!
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Now this is a mouse study and it involves using an 8 hour eating window but it is still interesting.



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Now this is a mouse study and it involves using an 8 hour eating window but it is still interesting.
Obesity Panacea blog has a good interview with one of the researchers (Peter Janiszewski interviewed Satchin Panda: When you eat may be as important as what you eat).

As a general adjunct to intermittent fasting or alternate day, I found it useful to look through

Intermittent Fasting - A Primer

it's in several parts and by pklopp at another place.
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Thanks EW. I have been fasting 16:8 since January. Two things that I have noticed.

1. Restricting to a window will work and does work very well with JUDDD. I ADF for eight months prior to transitioning, and I still naturally restrict cals every other day, without really thinking about it or planning. It is peculiar, because I definitely am not trying or aiming for lower cals. It just happens naturally. I am not as low of cals as I had been, probably closer to 700-800 alternate days. It is very interesting that the habit is so ingrained after doing this method for so long. I think this is why when some JUDDD buds have reached goal, it is natural to continue on with regular JUDDD. It just becomes inherent. Feels right.

2. I sleep like a baby. I fixed my internal circadian clock. Prior to eating in a window, I used to have no problem falling sleep, but would wake either way too early 4:00 am and then struggle to fall back to sleep or I would have many awakenings during the night where I would be thinking about what woke me? Similar to a fitful sleep. Since eating in the window, I dream for long periods and feel very rested when I wake.

One thought. If anyone is having difficulty staying true to JUDDD, or just struggling with either UP day or fasting day, they may actually have an easier time if they first begin limiting to a window. Once you eat in a window, mine is really about 7 hours, you will find that it is very hard to overeat. In fact, your appetite shrinks naturally because on an Up Day, you will only have time for 2 big meals. I eat what ever I want every day between 11-6. I have tried to figure out a way to have 3 meals and it just doesn't fit.

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Scientists have long assumed that the cause of diet-induced obesity in mice is nutritional; however, the Salk findings suggest that the spreading of caloric intake through the day may contribute, as well, by perturbing metabolic pathways governed by the circadian clock and nutrient sensors.

The Salk study found the body stores fat while eating and starts to burn fat and breakdown cholesterol into beneficial bile acids only after a few hours of fasting. When eating frequently, the body continues to make and store fat, ballooning fat cells and liver cells, which can result in liver damage. Under such conditions the liver also continues to make glucose, which raises blood sugar levels. Time-restricted feeding, on the other hand, reduces production of free fat, glucose and cholesterol and makes better use of them. It cuts down fat storage and turns on fat burning mechanisms when the animals undergo daily fasting, thereby keeping the liver cells healthy and reducing overall body fat.
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Sunday--I agree 100%. I had so much difficulty with my UDs until I started my window. On UDs, I don't start eating til at least 10am, and if possible later. on DD's I try and fast til late afternoon. It has made a world of difference in my eating habits. I no longer have the same drive or appetite. Such a relief! For me, I have also found that eating a mostly veggie diet seems to quell some carb cravings I was having before. I am just not tormented by sugar cravings. Again, who knew? So weird! But I believe that proper fasting and proper diet take care of the subtle hormonal signals we are responding to--and to think that before I was so ashamed of my lack of willpower ;( Makes me sad that I didn't realize how biologically driven this all is.
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I picked up a copy of the current Woman,s World and this weeks article is about a diet called VB6. I assumed they were talking about B vitamins! Actually it is about being vegan before 6 PM and then eating a nice dinner of whatever you want. Since I try to wait until noon to eat, I thought I would try just a salad or fruit for lunch and then my dinner. It worked well yesterday and it was also a DD.

Ouiz, I saw you on a mutual friend's Facebook page and see that you live in the town I grew up in. We went to my 50th high school reunion 3 years ago, but do not get there very often any more. Love the area, though.
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Ouiz, It truly is amazing how this works!

Also, you reminded me that the other big change is that I have mostly plants now, completely cut the meat protein back w/ 75% of my daily food being plants incorporating the safe starches.

SeaBreezes, I usely do the opposite, protein first and have my taters and veggies for dinner w/ broth. I will have to read up and find out more about VB6, it would be interesting to see the reason for switching.

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Sunday, Google VB6. He is a doctor that was told to change to a vegetarian based diet and didn't want to go all vegetarian. It should work in reverse. He found having a normal dinner fit in with his family and social life better.

We eat out a lot, so I think this might work for me. We are a week behind in the delivery of the WW's magazine out here so it has probably come and gone in your area. He is big on organic chocolate! You will like that!
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Actually, VB6 is written by Mark Bittman, the food columnist for the New York Times. I have a great picture of him with my daughter from last month. He came to town to advertise VB6 and took her out to breakfast

How funny seabreeze is about your reunion! You'll have to private message me and tell me who are mutual friends is
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How nice your daughter got to meet him. I thought there were some good ideas in his way of eating. He seems to have been able to shed some poundage!

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Actually, VB6 is written by Mark Bittman, the food columnist for the New York Times. I have a great picture of him with my daughter from last month. He came to town to advertise VB6 and took her out to breakfast

How funny seabreeze is about your reunion! You'll have to private message me and tell me who are mutual friends is
Ouiz, great to hear that your daughter met him. I looked him up on Amazon and have watched him on the Morning Show before. I think his cookbooks sound very similar to how I like to cook. Simple meals with a variety of unique veggies and herbs and small portion of protein for garnish.

As for the VB6, after reading up, I am doing this in reverse except for the weekends where I switch to suit the family or social situation. I may actually enjoy changing my weekdays and see where this goes? I am assuming that eggs would not be acceptable during the vegan time period so that will be my area to unravel, on how to fit the daily supp of PHD yolks?
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Trying to work up to JUDDD

I gained from 150 to 170 within the past couple years. Up and down
Weighed 225 and got down to 150 on Atkins and Dr. Bernstein.
Took a long time but I did it.

Got complacent recently and not feeling so good and a re-occurrence
of some disease directly caused from eating gluten etc.
July 4th weighed 170 and now I am at 163 by going back to LC, no gluten,
no sugar program. So now I need to figure out my plan sticking with
the rules above even on up days. Also need to keep blood sugar level
on DD's. Well enough talking. I will try to work out a plan for myself.

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Best wishes Barbo. I think working up to JUDDD is an excellent way to introduce it to your life. You may be surprised at how natural it becomes as you ease in. Great job on giving up gluten!
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Tomorrow will start with an UP day.

Does anyone here use 'My Plate' to secure their daily intake totals?
It seems a good way to do it. Any other suggestions?
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Here is an interesting little study about using a 1500 to 1800 calorie diet but including either one 400 to 600 calorie day or including a 5 day period where you did 400 to 600 calories every 5 weeks. Heck I feel proud if I don't overeat 2 days in a row and realy doubt I could do 5 days at 500 callories for all the tea in china.


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Here's an interesting article studying ADF high fat vs ADF low fat. It's all good!

Abstract P410: Alternate Day Fasting with a High Fat Diet: Impact on Body Weight, Body Composition, and Coronary Heart Disease Risk Profile in Obese Adults -- Klempel et al. 127 (10012): AP410 -- Circulation
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Great to hear - thanks Kimmie!
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I thought it was interesting that although the high-fat group lost more weight than the low-fat group the results were announced as similar. (Ditto for cholesterol and triglyceride reduction.) I realize that the difference might be too close to differentiate statistically (but 5kgs versus 4kg seems pretty good to me). However, I can't help but wonder if they wouldn't have trumpeted the difference if it were the other way around. There is still such a prejudice against eating fat.

Thanks for posting this study. I love seeing the research that is being done.
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Did you notice that one of the authors was Dr. Varady? Interesting article. Thanks
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Delurking for a minute to post an article I came across. It's from news dot usc dot edu, titled "Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system" and the first paragraph says,

" In the first evidence of a natural intervention triggering stem cell-based regeneration of an organ or system, a study in the June 5 issue of the Cell Stem Cell shows that cycles of prolonged fasting not only protect against immune system damage — a major side effect of chemotherapy — but also induce immune system regeneration, shifting stem cells from a dormant state to a state of self-renewal."
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And...over at Science Daily we have "Fasting reduces cholesterol levels in prediabetic people over extended period of time, new research finds"

sciencedaily dot com and use their search function to search for "fasting".
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