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Old 01-24-2013, 08:29 AM   #481
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Ok, so most of you with success take these supplements every day, or only on DD'ss? I'm taking it n dd's and haven't seen much effect. Maybe I should do it daily?

I'm taking 2 resveratrol forte (125mg) and 1 50mg pterostilbene (jarrow) in the morning on an empty stomach. What would you suggest? I'm about 155lbs today, and shooting to get back to the 140's in my first week of JUDDD. Thx!
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But you sure do look nice and warm in that turtle neck sweater you have on in your new Avi!

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I do take both and I think others do as well. I have not reaped the benfit of warmer DDs. I'm freeeeeeezing!!!!!

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I take two everyday now. I slacked off when I kept forgetting to take them. It seems to me that the effect is cumulative. Just taking one every other day wasn't doing a lot for me but two everyday seems to work. I have not had any of those UUAD in several weeks since being diligent about taking the ptero twice a day every day.
Just my personal experience. I am not suggesting to anyone they need to take two everyday. I had headaches at first but they gradually went away.
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Thanks Adi! I'm hoping the cumulative effect is a positive one. So far so good, in that I haven't had any headaches. The first day though, I did have a bit of the urgent runs, but I think that had to do with the cabbage in my soup that I had for lunch.
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<------ the sweater is warm, but holy frozen-ness. It's 7 degrees with a wind chill of -20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm in lower NY. This is not usual for us, so I'm beside myself!!!! I would love to know if others felt warmer when they took more pterostilbene.
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<------ the sweater is warm, but holy frozen-ness. It's 7 degrees with a wind chill of -20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm in lower NY. This is not usual for us, so I'm beside myself!!!! I would love to know if others felt warmer when they took more pterostilbene.
I am in Central PA, and Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is an understatement! I don't remember it being this cold for a few years! Stay warm!
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Same frigid temps. here too in western PA.

Yesterday after taking 2 doses of each, I'm relieved to say I didn't have a headache or the runs, and I had loads of energy and body temp. felt warm, but I did experience some carb. craving craziness after having whole wheat toast with my egg omelet at lunch. Not sure if it had anything to do with the supplements at all, or more to do with having the toast and most likely the start of PMS.

I'll keep you posted on how today's DD goes.

In the meantime stay warm!

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I hate to say this, but I'm in AZ and love this time of year!! I used to live in PA (Philly area) and hated winter!! Now I'm fussy in Aug, but happy in Jan! Hope the chill passes quickly for you guys this year!!

I had plenty of energy yesterday on my DD and a bit of insomnia last night (and sharp mindedness which was nice). The lack of sleep was a bummer, and hope it improves. I'm not sure if I should take it today on an UD? But I think I will, as it seems to benefit us as the resv and ptero builds up, right? Still figuring all this out .
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Just received my ptero today from netrition .
So happy to report I paid NO duty!!!
I will start taking 1 first thing in the morning with coffee but before breakfast.
Tomorrow is a DD so I will be sure to drink lots of water to fend off any headaches!
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:17 PM   #492
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You may not get the headaches, I never have.
Me neither. No headaches here. I take it twice daily and notice.....nothing maybe if I take it long enough I will notice something, but not after about a week or so of taking it.
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I take 2 Ptero first thing then a Resveratrol later on. i think it helps with hunger and energy, but I take it mostly for any anti ageing effects it may offer.
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I've been "on" them for about a week now. One day (2nd I think) I had a headache. Most nights are sleepless though . I skipped yesterday's dose b/c it was an UD and because I needed some sleep! Worked for me . Generally feel good, not starving on DDs and plenty of energy. Not sure if that's JUDDD or the ptero/resv. blend? Either way, I'll take it .
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Yanno, Julie. Now that I think about it, I am not starving on the 500 calorie part of the hcg right now. I guess I am getting results, but not really noticing. You know how hcg is...you think it is the hcg that is making you not starving LOL. But it could also be the ptero. I am glad I have 2 boxes (enough for a month) to give it a fair trial.
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I hadn't found it at any ordinary pharmacy or store as some of you have been able to do, so went to the vitamin store and read labels.

The result of that is that I've switched to the PteroBlue brand at the same price as the Jarrow I've been taking. Still have the Jarrow brand of Resveratrol here and sometimes remember to take them together. The PteroBlue could be considered a 100 mg capsule since it is the 50 of pterostilbene and an additional 50 of wild blueberry. It is a larger capsule, but still easy to swallow.

This label mentions "strong synergistic activity" when ptero and resveratrol are taken together, btw.

I am another who never had a headache. Possibly I have had some trouble falling asleep at one time or another, but that could have been due to something different - who knows.

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I'm here to report that I quit taking them both after a week, because the two doses of each made me very hungry & irritable. It may just be PMS, but I'm going to wait until after my TOM shows up again, whenever that is... and I'll try just taking one dose of each a day.

In the meantime, I'm switching over to the 5:2 IF plan on the 1st of Feb.

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It's early for me to tell yet but I started taking 2 50mg Jarrow caps a day a few days ago and I think it may be helping. Appetite and cravings are decreased and I actually saw a loss this morning. The appetite decrease may be due to a cold. We'll see.
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I took my first dose of ptero...50mg this morning...had breakfast 1 egg 1 bacon about 10am and didn't even think of food until about 330pm. food is usually on my mind over the course of a day way more than I wish. So this was a nice benefit. had some green beans and 3 oz chicken and just finished off sf jello. oh and I had a resv. early this afternoon. I've been taking it every day for about amonth now and it seems to help some with appetite. The combo of the two seems to be good...i'm curious to see if this trend continues.
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I know this is a really old post I quoted of Beverly's (below), but I was searching on things for arthritis. I also take msm and I take a lot of it. That along with some other supplements and some of the pain is better now.

One thing I wanted to mention that I was trying as soon as my order gets here is B3. I came across it while I was searching for something else. It's fairly cheap. A doctor in years past wrote about it in his clinic, and it's alot of B3 that you take, he preferred the niacin form. It depends how bad the arthritis was, and it takes months - so depending how bad you are, you take like 250mg every so many hours.

Here's a cut n paste of what I will be trying, in case it can help anyone else. I thought there was an arthritis thread but I don't see it. I hope I don't get bad flushes from the niacin.

Niacinamide

In years of research dating as far back as the 1930s, Dr. William Kaufman documented hundreds of cases of severely immobilized patients with arthritis who became mobile and self-sufficient after long-term niacinamide therapy. Although niacinamide (a form of vitamin B3) is not considered an anti-inflammatory compound or analgesic, apparently its ability to trigger repair of joint surfaces dramatically reduces pain and inflammation.

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For moderate joint dysfunction and arthritic pain, take 250 mg every three hours for a total of six dosages a day (1,500 mg taken over an 18-hour period).
For severe joint dysfunction and arthritic pain, take 250 mg every two hours for eight doses (2,000 mg taken over a 16-hour period).
For extremely severe joint dysfunction and arthritic pain, take 250 mg every one-and-a-half hours for 10 doses, making a total of 2,500 mg a day. (In these cases, the dosage may even be increased to 250 mg every hour for 16 hours, for a total of 4,000 mg a day.)

Start at the dosage level related to the category of joint dysfunction you believe you have. If you are not feeling relief after 6 to 8 weeks, bump up to the next dosage level.

To be most effective, niacinamide must be taken at short, regular intervals during the day. For example, taking 500 mg three times a day works out to 1,500 mg, but your results will not be nearly as effective as taking 250 mg every three hours. The latter approach keeps blood levels consistent throughout the day, which is the key to niacinamide working correctly. For the most part, niacinamide works gradually and gently. You may not notice changes right away, but it is important that you stay with the program. Even after symptoms have improved, Dr. Kaufman felt that a maintenance dose of 250 mg every three hours, six times daily should be taken for life.

I do not recommend taking time-released niacinamide because time-released products can cause liver problems and you would need to get periodic tests to monitor your liver function.




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OMG!! This poor man!! Pain is a dreadful thing. I just want to add that there is a book called the Miracle of MSM The Natural solution for pain. Written by Jacob, Lawrence, and Zucker. This book was a godsend for a friend of mine who was in a serious car wreck. The MSM really worked wonders. The MSM is good for relieving back pain, headaches, muscle pain, arthritis, athletic injuries. I take it in powder form and I make my own 15% MSM lotion to rub on my painful joints etc. The book tells how to take it, what dose etc. I started taking it years ago for my headaches and allergies and found it sooooooo helpful. At least it is worth reading and seeing if it applies. I hope and pray something helps him.
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Thanks Marie. I hope this works well for you! Please report back with your results.
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TOM showed up today, so with PMS out of the picture this week, I'll be restarting my trial again with one eResveratrol-200 mg. & two Blue 2 Go pterostilbene daily to see how they effect my appetite, mood & energy level.

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Ladies

I need some input.

I started taking ptero about a 10 days ago now, when I was JUDDDING, I have since stopped JUDDING and am wondering what benefits it has to me now? Reduced Hunger? This is why was taking it in the first place. I am trying to eat intuitively for the next month. Still keep taking it?

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I say stick with it. I know when people have SIRTs flowing they feel the effects more, but maybe it will halp keep your sirtuin going
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I'm reporting back. I have only taken B3 for a few days now. I noticed some overall release of inflammation in my hands within about 3 days. I will continue to take it. It's cheap. It's an easy experiment. The capsules I take do nothing to me as far as bother my stomach or cause me any issues whatsoever. I keep them in my pocket and try to take them every two hours but sometimes I miss so I figure I'm kinda between dosages at the moment. I am attempting to tighten up the regimen.

I also did some further reading from the one article I quoted. This Dr. Kaufman was being interviewed by another doctor years later. He said some people noticed the anti-inflammatory effect within the first week and were able to stop some of their other pain relievers. I have not taken any pain relievers for a long time unless it gets super bad, which is about once or twice a month. I just went off of them in 2010 pretty cold turkey when I started hcg, because of concerns for the liver. I am glad to hear that it may not take 3-6 months for me to feel better. I hope it's not just a placebo effect. I don't think so, because I felt better before I read that article and I thought how could I be feeling better already? It's supposed to take months?

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Wow Marie, that is just amazing! It is wonderful to find something natural to take the place of our prescriptions.

Bev used to work in a heath store I believe, so she has taught me so many things about natural healing. I bought the MSM powder supp with 1,000 mg MSM and 1,000 mg of Vit C and have been drinking it daily. The bone broth may be the best benefit for me right now, because of the glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, and hyaluronic acid for additional muscle and joint support. Also, the glycine & proline are important to detoxification and amino acid production in the body.

Hope, YES, keep taking the ptero because I believe that may be the one supp that has more "Anti-Aging" benefits than any other! Ptero mimics fasting, but what it is really doing is inhibiting breast/colon cancer, diabetes, fights cognitive decline, lowers inflammation and LDL cholesterol. I will never quit taking ptero.
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Wow Marie, that is just amazing! It is wonderful to find something natural to take the place of our prescriptions.

Bev used to work in a heath store I believe, so she has taught me so many things about natural healing. I bought the MSM powder supp with 1,000 mg MSM and 1,000 mg of Vit C and have been drinking it daily. The bone broth may be the best benefit for me right now, because of the glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, and hyaluronic acid for additional muscle and joint support. Also, the glycine & proline are important to detoxification and amino acid production in the body.

Hope, YES, keep taking the ptero because I believe that may be the one supp that has more "Anti-Aging" benefits than any other! Ptero mimics fasting, but what it is really doing is inhibiting breast/colon cancer, diabetes, fights cognitive decline, lowers inflammation and LDL cholesterol. I will never quit taking ptero.
Thanks for the input Sunday.

I did stop taking it...but will reconsider.

Any info on ptero in the book? Mine came today I will check it out!
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I posted this in a thread about resveratrol. Nothing new, but thought I'd add it here.

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Pterostilbene

Pterostilbene is a stilbenoid chemically related to resveratrol and is found in blueberries and grapes. It belongs to the group of phytoalexins, agents produced by plants to fight infections.[1] Based on animal studies it is thought to exhibit anti-cancer, anti-hypercholesterolemia, anti-hypertriglyceridemia properties, as well as the ability to fight off and reverse cognitive decline.[citation needed] It is believed that the compound also has anti-diabetic properties, but so far very little has been studied on this issue.[citation needed]

Pharmacokinetics

Pterostilbene is a double-methylated version of resveratrol exhibiting a higher bioavailability as it is more easily transported into the cell and more resistant to degradation and elimination.[2] In rats, pterostilbene's oral availability is 67%-94%, and its half-life has been published to be between 78 minutes and 104 minutes.[3][4][5]

Pterostilbene has anti-inflammatory, antineoplastic, and antioxidant actions via modulations of gene expression and enzyme activity.[2] In plants the substance displays antifungal[6] and antiviral activities.[7]

In general, studies have focused on the trans isomer of pterostilbene.[2]

Studies that used animals fed on blueberry based diets found significant reduction in blood lipid count and cholesterol count. While lipids and cholesterol stored in the cells do not pose much harm, elevated lipid and cholesterol levels in the blood have been linked to heart disease and stroke. In the mentioned study blueberries were found to be more effective than ciprofibrate, a cholesterol-lowering drug predominantly used outside the United States.[8] According to the study pterostilbene binds to PPARs, breaking down the cholesterol.[9]

Similar to what has been discovered with the drug metformin, pterostilbene has been shown to lower blood glucose levels in rats by as much as 56 percent, while simultaneously raising insulin and hemoglobin levels to near normal levels.[10] Pterocarpus marsupium, a tree that contains high levels of pterostilbene in its heartwood, has also showed an anti-diabetic effect in humans, with 67% of participants in a clinical study obtaining control of their blood sugar levels after 12 weeks and an average drop of 32 mg/dl in fasting blood glucose levels.[11]

In a study of 40 19-month-old rats fed either a normal diet or a diet containing blueberry, strawberry, or spinach extracts, the rats that were fed blueberry extracts had a significant reversal in motor-skill decline due to aging as well as other cognitive impairments. All of the diets above, except the normal one, resulted in some reversal or reduction of cognitive decline but none greater than the blueberry group.[12] A similar study with blueberries in a group of adults exhibiting age-related memory decline demonstrated a significant improvement in memory tests after just 12 weeks of drinking blueberry juice.[13] A study out of Tufts University on pterostilbene supplementation in elderly rats showed that pterostilbene conferred significant memory improvement as well.[14] The authors theorized that the memory improvement may be due to pterostilbene's unique ability as an anti-oxidant to cross the blood-brain barrier and co-localize in the hippocampus (the brain's memory center) where it may offer protection against free radical damage.

In 2002, Rimando and University of Illinois at Chicago collaborators found in experiments using rat mammary glands that pterostilbene possessed potent anti-oxidant characteristics and possible cancer-fighting properties at concentrations similar to resveratrol.[15]

Additional work by Rimando and collaborators revealed a possible mechanism for pterostilbene's purported anti-cancer properties. Using mice cells, they demonstrated that pterostilbene, as well as other analogs of resveratrol, potently inhibits an enzyme called cytochrome P450.[16] (Cytochromes are found within the cells of animals, plants, bacteria, and other microorganisms that transport electrons. They’re also a factor in people’s varying response to drugs and toxins entering their bodies. Cytochrome P450 enzymes activate a variety of compounds known as "procarcinogens," which can turn substances such as cigarette smoke and pesticides into carcinogens.)

According to Rimando, Pterostilbene showed strong inhibitory activity, much more than resveratrol, against a particular form of cytochrome P450 in a mouse mammary gland culture assay.

[edit] Human studies

The first human clinical trial on the effect of pterostilbene on cholesterol and blood pressure was completed at the University of Mississippi in April 2012.[17] The safety data from the double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical study demonstrated that pterostilbene is safe in doses up to 250 mg/day.[18] Efficacy data from the clinical study was published on Sept. 12, 2012. This study showed that pterostilbene at high doses was associated with reduced blood pressure and minor weight loss. (Clinical Study Showed a Blueberry Antioxidant, pTeroPure® (pterostilbene), Significantly Reduced Blood Pressure... -- IRVINE, Calif., Sept. 20, 2012 /PRNewswire/ --).

While resveratrol has been touted for its heart healthy benefits, pterostilbene is not found in wine despite darker grapes having the highest concentrations among the fruit.[citation needed] The reason believed is that it is unstable in light and air.[citation needed]

Toxicity

Pterostilbene is not known to be toxic to humans.[2] There is some anecdotal evidence that doses of 200-250mg or more at once may induce temporary hypoglycemia in normal individuals.
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