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Old 11-12-2012, 07:05 AM   #301
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Sunday. I started them Thursday last week.

I have a theory.

High doses are said to cause hypoglycaemia. This is known to cause headaches and also vivid dreams and sleep disturbances.

Could taking both pterostilbene and doing a DD cause our blood sugar to dive overnight, especially if you are doing low carb? Since the supplement mimics a fasting day perhaps actually fasting is too much?

This would certainly explain my dreams and strong hunger at around 11.00am. Pirate Jenny found it made her hungry, which would tie in. I'll go back and re-read her posts on taking P.
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Carly, that is fantastic about your sleep improvements! I am sleeping better with jUDDD and no changes in sleep with the Pterostilbene. Could definitely be that people react differently from IF. I take this supplement everyday as I have the appetite suppression. I was actually convinced to try JUDDD because I had never heard of so many women in their premenopausal and post menopause years having such great success with weight loss. It does sound like from the studies that you are reading Sunday that it doesn't work for everyone.
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Sunday. I started them Thursday last week.

I have a theory.

High doses are said to cause hypoglycaemia. This is known to cause headaches and also vivid dreams and sleep disturbances.

Could taking both pterostilbene and doing a DD cause our blood sugar to dive overnight, especially if you are doing low carb? Since the supplement mimics a fasting day perhaps actually fasting is too much?

This would certainly explain my dreams and strong hunger at around 11.00am. Pirate Jenny found it made her hungry, which would tie in. I'll go back and re-read her posts on taking P.
Yes, that is a good possibility! I wrote the Jarrow company asking about the headaches and never received an answer.

Babs, I am not through researching this! I have just begun! I am curious as to why some women and specifically menopausal women struggle with losing while fasting??? I am going to take the time to write Dr. Johnson and Dr. Mercola. They may not answer, but it is something that I have witnessed many times with different women on JUDDD. I did take a month long maintenance period, but that is also when I had my better losses. So, I am curious as to why the difficulty in losing? I definitely have better health and much more energy JUDDDing. I just can't seem to lose weight as easy as my young JUDDD friends.
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Yes, that is a good possibility! I wrote the Jarrow company asking about the headaches and never received an answer.

Babs, I am not through researching this! I have just begun! I am curious as to why some women and specifically menopausal women struggle with losing while fasting??? I am going to take the time to write Dr. Johnson and Dr. Mercola. They may not answer, but it is something that I have witnessed many times with different women on JUDDD. I did take a month long maintenance period, but that is aslo when I had my better losses. So, I am curious as to why the difficulty in losing? I definitely have better health and much more energy JUDDDing. I just can't seem to lose weight as easy as my young JUDDD friends.

It all comes down to hormones. That is what causes one to stop losing weight or for it to come flying off. Hormones. They are tricky little buggers. When going through menopause, the hormones are very much in flux. That is the reason for the hot flashes many women complain about. I don't know the reason behind the struggling with IF but with hormones may come into play with that as well.
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It all comes down to hormones. That is what causes one to stop losing weight or for it to come flying off. Hormones. They are tricky little buggers. When going through menopause, the hormones are very much in flux. That is the reason for the hot flashes many women complain about. I don't know the reason behind the struggling with IF but with hormones may come into play with that as well.
Dawn, I believe that it does have much to do with hormonal flux as well as something even more complex. The study did show that peri and menopausal women had received all of the other benefits from IF, but weight loss was not one for that group of women. Also, in this particular study was the group of women who were very close to goal and very lean. He claims that they do not have weight loss as well. That stands to reason.

As I said, I am on a mission to figure this out.

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Dawn, I believe that it does have much to do with hormonal flux as well as something even more complex. The study did show that peri and menopausal women had received all of the other benefits from IF, but weight loss was not one for that group of women. Also, in this particular study was the group of women who were very close to goal and very lean. He claims that they do not have weight loss as well. That stands to reason.

As I said, I am on a mission to figure this out.
I am glad you are taking it upon yourself to research this for us. Let us know what you find out! I have not reached that certain age yet, but when I do I KNOW I do NOT want to gain weight as many women do. I will follow this thread, or any other relating to it with much interest Thank you Sunday!!
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@Sunday, yes, I am with Dawn. Thanks for researching this. I myself lost well OVER 100 pounds on hcg and then suddenly all hormonal h3ll broke loose and I can quickly, quickly gain. I am now holding somewhat steady but NOT at my lowest. I have re-started JUDDDing and trying to get off sleep meds. I had to dump the pb and work on my other hormonal issues, which seem to have helped sleep some. I don't have stellar losses but a holding pattern is at least causing me to not gain as quickly after slight indulgences. I am hopeful I can still sleep. Nothing works right without sleep!
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I was unable to find the pterostilbene at my Whole Foods. I went the first weekend it was open and the one who was asking if I needed help.....needed help himself LOL. He couldn't find it either. So my Whole Foods either doesn't have it or we couldn't find it. It was crazy in there the first 2 trips we went--too many people. That is how over the moon we are in the fact that we FINALLY have a Whole Foods. But I digress......has anyone found this at Vitamin Shoppe. Before going over there for a special trip, I wanted to know if anyone found this there. I would love to try this. Even though I seem to do very well on my DDs, thanks to the hcg I have been well trained in not eating very much LOL. Thanks!!
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Dawn, I believe that it does have much to do with hormonal flux as well as something even more complex. The study did show that peri and menopausal women had received all of the other benefits from IF, but weight loss was not one for that group of women. Also, in this particular study was the group of women who were very close to goal and very lean. He claims that they do not have weight loss as well. That stands to reason.

As I said, I am on a mission to figure this out.
I am in menapause maybe even closer to the end(maybe wishful thinking). But the weight isnt coming off me fast especially for how heavy Iam. My doctor put me on a bio-identical hormone cream you rub on your body and said it would help me with weight loss. I havnt taken it for months now but am thinking maybe Ishould try again.
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I also order from Netriition as I have had good results with the Jarrow brand and I haven't seen it in here in Canada yet. I take it with the resveritol that I can buy locally.
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I also order from Netriition as I have had good results with the Jarrow brand and I haven't seen it in here in Canada yet. I take it with the resveritol that I can buy locally.
I have both but was afraid to take both at the same time. If you don't have any propblems taking both I might try it tomorrow on my DD.
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I haven't had any problems but I rarely get headaches. I think both together work better for me but I haven't tried the Pterostilbene on its own for quite a while.
Debbie, I am sorry that the weight is not coming off faster for you. It certainly can be frustrating when the weight lose is slow.
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I just bought the resveratrol and ptero from netrition. I haven't taken it yet.

Are any of you on thyroid meds and taking both these supplements? I'm big on experimenting on myself, but I leave in the morning for a 12 day trip to CA w. my family and BFFs. I'd like the appetite suppression please (esp. w/ vacation eating!) but am afraid of the sleep disturbances. Any suggestions for me? Anyone feel strongly I should NOT try this?

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I just bought the resveratrol and ptero from netrition. I haven't taken it yet.

Are any of you on thyroid meds and taking both these supplements? I'm big on experimenting on myself, but I leave in the morning for a 12 day trip to CA w. my family and BFFs. I'd like the appetite suppression please (esp. w/ vacation eating!) but am afraid of the sleep disturbances. Any suggestions for me? Anyone feel strongly I should NOT try this?

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I'm on Synthroid and have tried both and didn't get the results others have. TBH, though, most supplements don't seem to affect me the same way they affect others. YMMV. Resveratrol gave me migraines, and Pterostilbene didn't seem to do anything for me at all.
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Are any of you on thyroid meds and taking both these supplements? I'm big on experimenting on myself, but I leave in the morning for a 12 day trip to CA w. my family and BFFs. I'd like the appetite suppression please (esp. w/ vacation eating!) but am afraid of the sleep disturbances. Any suggestions for me? Anyone feel strongly I should NOT try this?

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Well, this is just my opinion, but I wouldn't start anything the day before a vacation where I was going away. I just wouldn't want to risk it, but I've had no problems with either and I love them, but we are all different. I would wait till I came home
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I use the bio-identical hormones and I couldn't live without them. If I stop the oestrogen for more than a day the hot flashes and shivers creep back.

I'm sure they help with general well being and certainly make sure you get a good sleep. They are the best thing you can do for your skin as you get older. Not sure they do anything to keep you slim. I also take DHEA to balance out the oestrogen and progesterone but mostly it tends to give me spots and a hairy chin so I am cutting back. Not noticed it helping me keep lean. The trouble is you can't do the control experiment so I might have looked like a melon by now without the hormones. My mother certainly packed on the fat at menopause after a lifetime of being skinny.

I'm still within my weight range during my fertile years. I always varied by up to 3 stone. I can lose the weight but I feel that it's harder work this time round. Maybe we just get bored of it all. I know I find it harder to commit all the time to weight loss now. Life is too short to say no to a good feed sometimes. That's why JUDDD appeals.

The Ptero seems to have settled down. No more manic hunger. I think the appetite suppression is back. Sleep is a bit off but I am under stress at the moment and having late evenings working so it may be a co-incidence. My feeling is I have to eat more often to feel good on this but I can eat small portions. So I'm stopping the fasting until 2 I used to do while I see how this suits me. Just a small breakfast at 10 or so and then nibble on my meals during the day.

I did drink wine the night before my hunger pang day. I think the combination of ptero, the alcohol and fasting made me hypo.
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Yes, that is a good possibility! I wrote the Jarrow company asking about the headaches and never received an answer.

Babs, I am not through researching this! I have just begun! I am curious as to why some women and specifically menopausal women struggle with losing while fasting??? I am going to take the time to write Dr. Johnson and Dr. Mercola. They may not answer, but it is something that I have witnessed many times with different women on JUDDD. I did take a month long maintenance period, but that is also when I had my better losses. So, I am curious as to why the difficulty in losing? I definitely have better health and much more energy JUDDDing. I just can't seem to lose weight as easy as my young JUDDD friends.
I guess each of us are different. I've been post-menopause (verified with a blood test at doctor's office) for five years. JUDDD is the only system that has allowed me to lose weight consistently, even when I was on medication with a side effect of weight gain (stopped this one month ago). Do you think it may be a matter of perspective? All my life, no matter what I did, I gained weight. With JUDDD, I do lose very slowly, but even 'no gain/loss' registers as a loss for me - does that make sense? I feel that as long as I don't have an average weekly gain, this is a monumental feat. However, JUDDD has rewarded me beyond my wildest dreams and taken my weight as low as I care to go, it seems. I am counting my blessings, and for those JUDDDers that are struggling. I don't worry about what the weight loss slope of younger JUDDDers, they have their own issues to contend with (TOM), been there, done that
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Thanks for your input, experience and advice!!

I'm w/ Carly-even though I'd like the appetite suppression some have experienced, I think it's too big a risk to try on vacation. I'll table my "experiment" until I'm home! Holiday parties and celebrations will be enough territory to try it in a few weeks!

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Have a great time on your vacation Julie!

Luv2Eat! Thank you for reporting! I had a long post in response to you and it vaporized! I have to run, but I do want to say that I completely agree that this is the first time since IF'ing, that my weight has stabilized and slowly went downwards. 44 lbs in 9 months is not bad at all and I am thrilled. I just want to investigate the reasons why it is not a great method for weight loss for some folks. We have had a few older JUDDDers who remained faithful and for quite a long time and did not have any weight loss, even when they did it just the same as the rest of us. Quite frustrating.

I am not going to deny that even losing at a snail's pace is better than gaining! For sure!

I will be back when I have time with a new thread dedicated to the women who are in this category. And hopefully, have something from Dr. J to add.

Also, just a note.... the men did not experience any difficulty with weight loss and in fact, lost much more easier than the women.

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I was unable to find the pterostilbene at my Whole Foods. I went the first weekend it was open and the one who was asking if I needed help.....needed help himself LOL. He couldn't find it either. So my Whole Foods either doesn't have it or we couldn't find it. It was crazy in there the first 2 trips we went--too many people. That is how over the moon we are in the fact that we FINALLY have a Whole Foods. But I digress......has anyone found this at Vitamin Shoppe. Before going over there for a special trip, I wanted to know if anyone found this there. I would love to try this. Even though I seem to do very well on my DDs, thanks to the hcg I have been well trained in not eating very much LOL. Thanks!!
i got it at vitamin shoppe and i ordered online earlier
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Sunday, I am an older woman (65), although I am in denial!

I had very little to lose when I began JUDDD but I lost quickly and well, and have held my losses.

Although I agree that many older JBs have struggles there are many who had great success. Beeb, Pat, Sazzie and many more.

I see younger women struggling too.

I use Ptero on DDs and I 'think' it helps, but I really am not certain....

I love your research, so will watch with interest. Thank you.
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Sunday, I am an older woman (65), although I am in denial!

I had very little to lose when I began JUDDD but I lost quickly and well, and have held my losses.

Although I agree that many older JBs have struggles there are many who had great success. Beeb, Pat, Sazzie and many more.

I see younger women struggling too.

I use Ptero on DDs and I 'think' it helps, but I really am not certain....

I love your research, so will watch with interest. Thank you.
Kissa! You look very young for your age ! So I know that JUDDD has done very well for you! As well as Sazzie, Beeb & Pat!

I think if I remember correctly, that post meno seem to do much, much better with weight loss as well. It is pre & peri meno that the study alluded to. And JUDDD is not quite the same as IF they were speaking of. IF usually requires fasting for 16 hours plus with an 8hour or less eating window. JUDDD doesn't require a eating window.
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