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Old 07-31-2012, 06:02 PM   #31
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I know you are all trying to help, and I love you for it!

So bear with me as I respond to a couple points.

My highest dd is 775, which I believe is still a legal loss percentage on my calculator. And I've only gone to the 600-700 range to curb my starvation (I can actually do 600-700 and work WITHOUT feeling starved), in part because on my thread about working on DD's and in many other places in this forum, it has been advised to use those extra calories if need be. Some even advised me to subtract from UDs, due to my higher DDs! It's frustrating (not anyone's fault, mind you) when the advice on my two big issues (work and slow results) is contradictory.

Second, the idea of waiting a month when I have been working at weight loss since March and even a couple years before that... And on an average of 1000ish calories a day.... I don't know what to say.

Again I know you guys are rooting for me. Hopefully a couple more days and I'll see some results. Typing on my phone, so I hope this is readable.

Re: fat. I have enough on all UD's, I think
I'm really feeling your frustration, and I'm sorry. I can just imagine how frustrating it must be to receive differing and even opposing opinions and advice at every turn and with every question. One thing I do notice is that the larger a forum group grows, the more diverse advice grows out of it, starting with the very straight forward beginnings. The more people, the more who do tweaks, and the more tweaks.. the more convoluted it all becomes, regardless of whether some of the tweaks work. Finally you have a large group, but also quite a lot of *their own versions* of a plan.. in this case JUDDD.

But I do want to add here that I'm not one who advocates subtracting from Up Day calorie numbers if a person goes over on Down Days. That only serves to bring the UD and the DD numbers closer together, which is exactly opposite of what I have always personally advocated. I've always felt and observed many times that keeping those two calorie ceilings spread as far apart as can be usually seems to rev up metabolism and spur weight loss by far the best.

The other thing that I question is a particular need for particular ratios of the macro nutrients, of the fat & protein & carbohydrate.

I hope you are able to get it worked out shortly, and I expect you will. I do know that many bodies take awhile to adjust to the rhythm of this fasting/feasting way of eating.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:14 PM   #32
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And I forgot to add: I don't think your DDs are necessarily the problem. We have lots of new JUDDDers who hold to the 700-calorie range when they first start learning to do Down Days, and that's usually *give or take* a few calories at the beginning.

When I first started JUDDD, I tried my darndest to do 500-calorie DDs, but I failed and went over, just about all the time. Because I was hungry. I hadn't learned what to eat on DDs to prevent the hunger, and I hadn't had time for my brain to learn not to signal hunger on those days. But it gradually got better, and then the 500 and lower days happened too, and JUDDD just worked better and better and better.

I know you don't feel so much hunger on your UDs as many do, and I have to tell you the truth.. I think that's where you're running into the snag, but only by a smidge. I think you are almost there for both days.

I believe when you have adapted a bit more to this plan, you will be able to eat more closely to your calculated numbers, so a bit higher on UDs which will support you more nutritionally into your DDs, and you will be able to bring the DD number down, and that will give you that stronger spread between the two days, and you'll see benefit from it.

I can only urge you to not fold. I do understand that the majority of us are here for one overwhelming reason, and it's the desire to LOSE the weight, so any weeks of little or no loss feel completely unacceptable. But I really do believe that it will all come together for you shortly. I do hope you will hang in there. Not everyone loses anything in the first couple of weeks. Some have taken almost a month, and then took off with a whoosh and never slowed down again! Best wishes!

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And I forgot to add: I don't think your DDs are necessarily the problem. We have lots of new JUDDDers who hold to the 700-calorie range when they first start learning to do Down Days, and that's usually *give or take* a few calories at the beginning.

When I first started JUDDD, I tried my darndest to do 500-calorie DDs, but I failed and went over, just about all the time. Because I was hungry. I hadn't learned what to eat on DDs to prevent the hunger, and I hadn't had time for my brain to learn not to signal hunger on those days. But it gradually got better, and then the 500 and lower days happened too, and JUDDD just worked better and better and better.

I know you don't feel so much hunger on your UDs as many do, and I have to tell you the truth.. I think that's where you're running into the snag, but only by a smidge. I think you are almost there for both days.

I believe when you have adapted a bit more to this plan, you will be able to eat more closely to your calculated numbers, so a bit higher on UDs which will support you more nutritionally into your DDs, and you will be able to bring the DD number down, and that will give you that stronger spread between the two days, and you'll see benefit from it.

I can only urge you to not fold. I do understand that the majority of us are here for one overwhelming reason, and it's the desire to LOSE the weight, so any weeks of little or no loss feel completely unacceptable. But I really do believe that it will all come together for you shortly. I do hope you will hang in there. Not everyone loses anything in the first couple of weeks. Some have taken almost a month, and then took off with a whoosh and never slowed down again! Best wishes!
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This. Is what I needed. Thank you! And at 6:39, I am at 445 calories and feeling fine (although 2.5 hours at the vet helped - there's that distracting stuff I again. If only I didn't work!). I think I can stay under 500 today.

And tomorrow, perhaps with some planning and lots of exercise, maybe even desert (I never have desert) like a Reese's Peanut Butter cup for a treat, I can make those UD calories. I'm not giving up. You made me So Happy, SoHappy.
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Oh, and one last thing I wanted to add. For all my days, I was counting up to 60 calories of Metamucil or psyllium husk powder. Come to find out many don't count those calories as they are all fiber that's not absorbed. So that makes my DD's look a bit better!
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Dearest Pat, you are the wisest of the wise. You always say what I am thinking.

I wish I was better at expressing myself on 'paper'. I speak with confidence but I wish I had the writing skills that clearly you, and Buttah have.
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You are all wise and articulate. Forgive me if, in my cranky state, I didn't give you all enough love. To be able to whine safely without judgement here is one of the best dieting tools there is.

And stay tuned for today's scale report (I always weigh 1 - 1.5 pounds less after my two cups of coffee and trip to the bathroom (TMI), so I wait!

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Buttah, I just wanted to add my experience, because I see a lot of me in your post. We eat very similarly, except I think I eat more red meat than you do. I can be completely happy and satisfied on 1100 calories a day. And was for several months when I adopted a paleo lifestyle. I lost 20 pounds in 4 mos, and then stalled completely. When I started JUDDD in Jan, I lost 1 pound in the first month. And was ready to quit. I got much the same advice you are getting, and am SO glad I hung in there.

DD's at first were torture. I was so hungry! 600-700 was about as good as I could do. And getting over 1300 on an UD made me feel stuffed to the gills and miserable. You'd think that appetite suppression would have helped the dd's, but my body just wanted those 1100 calories.

Before my body would consider dropping weight, it had to heal. And I am now maintaining easily 6 pounds below my original goal. I am SO glad I stuck with it.

To get more calories in, I use coconut oil in my morning smoothie--it doesn't fill me up any more, but 1 tbsp gives me 120 cals. I have a handful of almonds a couple times a day (1 oz is about 24 nuts and gives 170 cals). I use full fat salad dressing on UDs. I can't do eggs or dairy due to allergies, but if you can, chop a hardboiled egg on your salad. Or add some avocado. Instead of the laughing cow on UD's, use regular cheese. I make coco crack on UD's with 2 tbsp coconut oil, 1/2 tbsp cocoa powder and about 10 drops of liquid stevia.

Just 2 tbps of coconut oil and 1 oz of nuts would give you 410 calories, and are not that filling. And you'd be right where you need to be.

I also bake using almond and coconut flour, and use coconut sugar and liquid stevia to keep the glycemic index low (I have blood sugar issues, so this is important to me). I use half the amount of sugar the recipe calls for as coconut sugar, and then add liquid stevia to make up the difference in sweetness. The Spunky Coconut blog has a bunch of wonderful recipes I use. Against All Grain is great too. I only do baked goods a couple times a week with supper, but it sure is helpful to get the calories up.

I noticed when I was having trouble with my weight wanting to creep up, that whenever my UD calories dropped below 1500 for more than 2 UD's, I stalled or gained. And it didn't matter what my DD cals were--I saw the trend with 500 and fewer cal dd's, and with 800-900 cals when I was in maintenance. Get the cals over 1500, and the weight came back down.

I understand the frustration, but I also know the health benefits that have come from JUDDD that go far beyond the scale (my aches and pains are gone--I used to get out of bed and had to shuffle until my feet started working because they'd be so stiff. My inflammation numbers are now as low as they can be, and were a bit high. Part of that was allergies, but I also believe JUDDD plays a role, because the last time it was tested, it was up a bit, and happened to be after a week of taking a break from JUDDD).

So please hang in there. I haven't had a chance to read your other thread. I've been gone for 4 days and catching up is taking a while.
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VERY ENCOURAGING!!!

Actually this whole thread is!

Awesome supportive & informative veteran JUDDDers!!!
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Thank you, Tina. The advice and hand-holding I'm getting here (and in my other thread, "my profession + DD = really hard) has meant the world to me.

I will try your suggestions immediately. Although I'm still worried about bloodwork and coconut oil. I have a genetic tendency toward high bad cholesterol (I always forget which is which) and triglycerides, no matter what I eat, and it seems some people are negatively impacted by CO.

Taking someone's suggestion here that I may not be getting enough fat, I had some organic peanut butter for breakfast - on top of, GASP, a half piece of cracked wheat sourdough. (I worry so much about wheat/carbs.) I plan on maximizing good fats all day today. Maybe it will even help with my DD tomorrow.

Also wanted to mention that I dug up some of the very wise (one of the most successful, if not the most successful, JUDDDers of all time @ 100 lbs and maintaining ) Leo41's posts from the past and found:

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I lost just over 100 lbs on JUDDD, and I never used the UD calorie numbers from the calculator. I asked Dr. J about this (because his numbers were way too high for me), and he said that the only significant number was the DD calorie limit. For UD, a person should calculate based on the average they'll need to create a deficit to lose.

I only did JUDDD because I am post-menopausal and hypothyroid with what my endo also calls a "genetically slow metabolism." After I lost the first 80 lbs on generic low carb, I stalled because I had to lower my calories for my lower weight. I knew that I could not lose unless I kept daily calories at <1000, but trying to do that on a daily basis was very frustrating.

I stayed low carb (because I'm very carb sensitive), and did JUDDD mainly at 400 DDs, 1400 UDs. I lost steadily at a pound a week.
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First of all, I personally contacted Dr. Johnson when I began JUDDD almost 3 years ago because the calculator number for my UDs was much too high to enable me to lose. I was already stalled on generic low carb, and I'd come to JUDDD as a way to seriously restrict calories, which was difficult on a daily basis. Cycling seemed ideal for my needs--to average no more than 1,000 cal daily.

At that time, Dr. J admitted that the UD number was a 'rough estimate' and a limit rather than a 'requirement.' He told me that the UD was intended to be an individual's maintenance level, and he knew that differed by person. The key number, according to him, was the DD calorie level.

Because I am post-menopausal and also hypothyroid, I began JUDDD (at 250 lbs) with 430 cal DDs [from the calculator] and 1400 cal UDs. I lost slowly but steadily until I achieved my current weight, eventually lowering my numbers to 370/1200 when I was about 180 lbs.

My endo was my 'cheerleader' throughout this process, approving the calorie level (and he told me that he had some patients who had to eat even less to lose because of medical issues). There is no way in the world that 1500 cal is considered 'starvation level' by anyone, certainly not anyone in the medical community. At my age (70) I have several doctors (specialists), and they have all approved my WOE--and noted how healthy I am as a result. Except for my thyroid meds, I take no other Rx, and that is exceptional for someone my age--and after a lifetime of morbid obesity.
I truly believe much of this applies to me. More than anything, I have to get the DD's down!

Leo41 was also the one who had some bad bloodwork after trying CO, and going off CO fixed the problem. I guess we're all different that way.

Thank you, Leo41, wherever you are!
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Trying eating up to your full UD calories for a week and see what happens. What have you got to lose????
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Oh, I'm not suggesting she stuff herself!! Lots of ways to get those calories in sneakily without stuffing herself to the gills.
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And... drumroll please...

WHAT? There's no drumroll emoticon in a diet forum?!!! Okay, then guitar riff:


7/22 - 174.5 UD CAL: 1613
7/23 - ????? DD CAL: 446 (wasn't really hard at all!)
7/24 - ????? UD CAL: 972 (raging headache all day: too full from Metamucil to eat more)
7/25 - 173.3 DD CAL: 775 (SO hungry due to previous low UD)
7/26 - 173.8 UD CAL: 1606
7/27 - 174.4 DD CAL: 778 (I can't seem to make it down to 500; maybe because UD's are low?)
7/28 - 173.8 UD CAL: 1524 (Can't seem to make it UP to 1750 calories, either!)
7/29 - 174.1 DD CAL: 636 (see thread about my profession +DD; can't do 500)
7/30 - 173.2 UD CAL: 1292 (again, can't hit 1750 for the life of me)
7/31 - 174.1 DD CAL: 486(the scale is NOT MOVING! No real weight loss in 9 days GRRRR)
8/1 - 172.9

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I am another one who is like Leo, in that my thyroid is defunct and I have a tough time losing on low carb/low calorie period. So my UD number of 1768 calories was a trick for me!

I also read everything that Leo posted here and even discussed our thyroid issues at length with her. I have not had the experience she has, but do want to say that after having JUDDD for 6 months, I can now do 1500 calories UD no problem, and at least once or twice per week I do 1700 to 1800 UD. My DD range from 150-500, pretty consistently. I allow myself higher DD every weekend. So either Sat or Sun I usually have 700 calories. Even with all of this, I am thrilled to be losing. For the first time, since I went through Menopause I am consistently losing. I have always had this huge boulder hanging over me, so to speak, about being broken or just plain different from my friends. Since beginning JUDDD, I have not felt that overwhelming sense of pressure one bit,... it has lifted!

As far as CO, if you have high triglycerides, I would suggest abstaining, but you can find a way to keep healthy fats in on UD and not mess with your blood results.
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But dear me, I'm now so SCARED to eat today, because I know my weight will start with a 3 or a 4 again tomorrow, especially after eating a piece of bread. Gotta break that mindset, don't I?
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I am another one who is like Leo in that my thyroid is defunct and I have a tough time losing on low carb/low calorie period. So my UD number of 1768 calories was a trick for me!

I also read everything that Leo posted here and even discussed our thyroid issues at length with her. I have not had the experience she has, but do want to say that after having JUDDD for 6 months, I can now do 1500 calories UD no problem, and at least once or twice per week I do 1700 to 1800 UD. My DD range from 150-500, pretty consistently. I allow myself higher DD every weekend. So either Sat or Sun I usually have 700 calories. Even with all of this, I am thrilled to be losing. For the first time, since I went through Menopause I am consistently losing. I have always had this huge boulder hanging over me, so to speak, about being broken or just plain different from my friends. Since beginning JUDDD, I have not felt that overwhelming sense of pressure one bit,... it has lifted!

As far as CO, if you have high triglycerides, I would suggest abstaining, but you can find a way to keep healthy fats in on UD and not mess with your blood results.
Thanks for posting that! Just to be clear, I have never had have a thyroid issue (at least when last tested a few months ago). But I do think I have very very bad metabolism. The length of time it takes any med (that you can feel) to kick in is a huge dead giveaway. But I think Leo's cal issues are mine, anyway.
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buttah, You will find this gets better!

One more thing I would like to suggest! Do not consider JUDDD a race, but more of a health plan towards not only losing weight consistently, but improving your health! Once I began seeing JUDDD in this light, I never sweated when the scale stayed the same for a week, because I knew I was doing the BEST thing possible for my health.
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buttah, You will find this gets better!

One more thing I would like to suggest! Do not consider JUDDD a race, but more of a health plan towards not only losing weight consistently, but improving your health! Once I began seeing JUDDD in this light, I never sweated when the scale stayed the same for a week, because I knew I was doing the BEST thing possible for my health.
Agreed, completely.

But, I did need to see SOMETHING happening after 10 days. And I finally did.

Sunday, aren't you one who did HCG before JUDDD? (As you may know I'm planning to a supervised HCG round starting in a month, then coming back to JUDDD for, possibly, the rest of my life.
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Buttah,

Also, I have a feeling that we eat pretty similar food wise. Because I do not eat processed foods or eat out. I will always have to plan my day in advance on ****** and then as the day closes around 5 pm, I will re-check my UD numbers and that is when I add the mac nuts or full fat whip cream and blueberries.
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It's pretty exciting.. there are more now who have lost more than 100 pounds on JUDDD, and some who won't be much longer. And even newbies who are just starting out but will, I am sure, add their names to the list. Wonderful, for sure!

As I said above (somewhere), we all get to do what we want here, so folks who choose not to eat up in the area of their calorie numbers on the Up Days, get to make that decision for themselves. For myself, my metabolism had got so crappy that it was extremely important for me to be healing and revving up my metabolic rate while I was losing the weight. I didn't want to finally reach goal and then have to live the rest of my life at so few calories, which I have been fortunate enough at age 69, not to have to do. I've been hypothyroid for decades of my life, and I think that has a slowing impact on metabolic rate as well as myriad other factors.

But also, since the ongoing low calorie level of Down Days has that slowing effect on metabolism, I felt it was doubly important for my Up Days to counter that effect on my burn rate!

Just saying, while it may not hold true for all, there are some folks who hold to quite low calories and then find they have become pretty much 'set' there.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:50 AM   #56
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Agreed, completely.

But, I did need to see SOMETHING happening after 10 days. And I finally did.

Sunday, aren't you one who did HCG before JUDDD? (As you may know I'm planning to a supervised HCG round starting in a month, then coming back to JUDDD for, possibly, the rest of my life.
Yes, I wish you well on the Hcg! I know that it is tough, to stay 500 calories, but like everyone else says, it will get you the bigger losses.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:51 AM   #57
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Remember reading Leo's posts that she was under the care of an endo during this process, and she had some pretty specific health issues that required those low calorie limits.

For me, it was more important at first that I HEAL my metabolism than I lose the weight (but it took me a bit to get to that conclusion).

As for CO and bloodwork, you'll just have to try it, get tested and see. I had my lipids done in Jan and my total was 227, with the ldl higher than it should be. In June when it was retested, it was 187, with the hdl (good) up 2 points, and the ldl (bad) making up the difference by going down that much. 2 things happened in this time--I was JUDDD'ing (started on jan 13 and blood was drawn about 1 week later, so not much effect there most likely), and I was diagnosed with food allergies that I removed from my diet. According to my naturopath, the removal of the allergenic foods would lower the cholesterol, so I have no idea how much of that was due to Judd and how much due to the diet change. But I was eating CO throughout.

My cholesterol has ALWAYS been higher than it should be. Even when I was 24 and 115 pounds, it was slightly over 200. So I'd say I'm probably genetically pre-disposed to it as well. Or I've just always been allergic and never knew it.

We have all learned so much about our bodies and how we respond to different foods, what keeps us full, what brings back the feelings of inflammation (for me, wheat/grains are simply not an option if I want to feel well). Unfortunately, gaining that knowledge takes TIME and trying different things. And that's why you get so many different suggestions for what "works". Because what works for me may be completely wrong for you. I need a combo of bulk and protein to make a dd work. Pat can get by on plates of high bulk veggies. Somebody else needs fat. Another buddd can fast the whole day and survive on water/coffee/tea/broth.

A typical dd for me is:
Protein shake---1 cup unsweetened vanilla almond milk, 1 scoop Sun warrior rice protein powder, 3 strawberries. (112 cal)

Salad--a plateful of green leaf lettuce, a couple flowerettes each of broccoli and cauliflower, half dozen cherry tomatoes, ff Italian dressing, and 6 slices deli sliced ham (around 120 cals)

3 oz of whatever protein I make for supper, stir fried veggies or green beans (between 150-200 cals depending on meat used).

It is true that there are some people who JUDDD just didn't work for. But honestly, not many. And it will take you about a month to know if it will or not. I understand not wanting to wait a month. But I'd also hate to see you quit when this may just be what you've been looking for. Take a read through the non-scale victory thread for a glimpse into what can be happening even when the scale isn't budging.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:54 AM   #58
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You posted while I was writing. YAY on the loss today and the great dd yesterday!!!!

You'll get this!
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:03 AM   #59
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Yes, Tina, I believe my metabolism is healing as well.
I am going to have my bloodwork tested to check out the numbers since I have been having the coconut oil on a regular basis as well.
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But dear me, I'm now so SCARED to eat today, because I know my weight will start with a 3 or a 4 again tomorrow, especially after eating a piece of bread. Gotta break that mindset, don't I?
JUDDD is a whole paradigm shift from other diets, isn't it? Eating our up day calories and perhaps formerly forbidden foods feels scary at first. It does take a change in mindset (especially coming fresh from other plans) to discover that it's ok to eat up to or close to our up day calories, and not be discouraged by the scale bouncing.

You may be just like Leo41, but it may be too early to know for sure. Leo made changes after the plan as written was not working, and Dr. Johnson's advice to Leo41 is a bit different than what he says in the book. Although you are absolutely right that he does say you don't have to eat all your up day calories, he also says, "You, too, may begin to think that the less you eat on your up days the better off you'll be, but again, it's a question of balance. You don't wan to slow down your metabolism and you also don't want to feel deprived every day -- that's nothing less than a prescription for noncompliance and, ultimately, diet failure."

I'm excited for you about the scale movement for you!
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