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Old 06-29-2012, 08:40 AM   #1
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Is this correct?

I started JUDDD on 6/18 and now I am up from my original weight. I know I need to wait it out, but it makes me so nervous after coming off of hcg. I was on day 66 of phase 4 when I started this. I am doing all correctly and having a bit of difficulty getting in my 1700 calories. I actually feel too full after eating that much and according to the scale, my feelings are correct!
These are my stats so far:

6/18/12 137.4 Started JUDDD - 1st Up Day
6/19/12 138 DD
6/20/12 137 UD
6/21/12 138.4 DD
6/22/12 137 UD
6/23/12 138.2 DD
6/24/12 136.6 UD
6/25/12 137.4 DD
6/26/12 136.6 UD
6/27/12 137.6 DD
6/28/12 137.4 UD
6/29/12 139.2 DD

Today I am up 7.4 from my LDW and I am about ready to rip my hair out.
Today is a dd for me, so hopefully tomorrow will show some good results. I know I shouldn't weigh every day, but it's a habit I learned while doing 3 rounds of hcg and I can't seem to stop doing that. Any advice on how long before this woe takes?
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:09 AM   #2
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Hello Beadart!

Can you give us all your stats? It will really help in order to figure what is happening?

Height 5'2" ?
Current Weight 139?
Age 59 ?

Because if this is accurate, I show your numbers to be ~ UD - 1530, DD - 765 in order to maintain.

So it looks like you may be eating 200 plus calories on UD than you should be? But you are saying you are not eating that much? Is that correct?

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Old 06-29-2012, 09:11 AM   #3
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I only weigh twice per week, because I know that my up 1 lb down 1 every other day would make me nuts.
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Also, I notice that you have been at 136.6 twice and usually for me (as well as a few others), I hit a low twice and then it stabilizes on the third time. Does this make sense? In other words my low weight is not usually the true low until I hit it the 3rd time and then it becomes my weight.
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Yes, Sunday, you are correct. What I meant to write was 1513 on ud and I am trying to stay at about 400-450 on dd. (I guess my fingers were moving too fast!) I seem to feel so full once I get to about 1100 cals. Should I just go with what I feel or try to eat more to get to my 1513?
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Also, I notice that you have been at 136.6 twice and usually for me (as well as a few others), I hit a low twice and then it stabilizes on the third time. Does this make sense? In other words my low weight is not usually the true low until I hit it the 3rd time and then it becomes my weight.
It does make sense. In fact that is happening for my husband. He is down 4 lbs from the start...I am up 2 lbs. Yikes!
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Sunday i think she is still trying to lose not maintain.. and as far as a bump up,, it happens, and we need to just look at the over all part which is a downward trend.. its still new so hang in there .. and let look at the numbers again.. also, is it that time of month? That can make us hold water weight.. plus if your eating and had not been for a while that change may make a small dent in what is goin on now.. the bottom line here is relax.. make sure you are respecting both days numbers.. and relax,, it will happen.. JUDDD is magic.. hope some one else who is wiser comes along to help..
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Great! You are doing it perfectly then! You need to be patient because it takes 8 weeks before you get the full blown effect of the SIRT-1! You will naturally lose as you go if you hang in there! Also, even when you go to maintenance level of 750 DD, you will have losses as well.
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Thanks Kimberly!!! You are right this is a slooowww journey and if we get too anxious we can actually stall or have a bump up!!!
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Also a small tip that works for me, when needing to get to that higher number when your not hungry is two simple things that work for me..#1.. Eat often. every couple of hours..so you never get that HOLY cow i am stuffed feeling.. and #2 I consume alot of nuts.. like this all natural trail mix that a hand full is like 140 calories and if i eat two of those.. i am not full by no means but, i just consumed 300 caloires, well almost.. also i load caloires with peanut butter in the morning.. i eat like 4 tbs for a total of 380 and i dont feel like i ate.. Some times things like Brats.. those are real high in caloires and same thing with kogel veinias hot dogs those are like 150 i think, so start eating high caloire foods that dont have alot of bulk to get there,, good luck hun
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Thanks. I just needed to hear that I need to give it time. No tom for me, had a hysterectomy 25 years ago. I am still looking to lose about 20 lbs to get to a comfortable weight for my small frame. It's just that being up 7 lbs from my last hcg round is most distressing.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:57 AM   #12
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Again, thanks so much for the replies. I needed the encouragement. 8 weeks seems like a long time to see results, but I am willing to stick with it. I really like this woe, just the ud's are tough. Also, I am vegetarian plus fish (pescetarian), gluten free and sugar free, so that also gives me challenges.
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i know what you mean with the higher number.. but remember.. this too shall pass and this will be a very easy way of life to maintain once you do reach your goal.. HGC.. im not to familure with.. but from what i have heard its a way to lose like alot real fast... this is not like that.. its a natural process that feels good and you dont have to suffer while your losing.. plus hun.. your body needs time to adjust,,
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Also, Beadart, I would try to get every single one of your UD calories in! 1100 is not going to help boost your metabolism. I know that it is scary, but this will work. The thing is you have been doing Hcg at 500 calories so your brain is having some difficulty adjusting to the abundance in calories EOD. Nancy and Linda seem to think that this beginning period is the most important time in JUDDD on getting to the calorie level. I have difficulty here so, I have started adding in healthy fats avocado, evco, and nuts. It is a fine line in a way, you do not want to eat above but you want to get close.
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Beadart, time, time, time. Yup.
Many of us gained at the beginning as we began to include a few carbs. It seems to me that this is a common experience for the hcgers here. I'm not sure there's a way around that unless you want to stay vlc for the rest of your life. It's a bit of water. That's all.
My suggestion? Relax and let JUDDD do you. In a month or two this'll be a tiny blip at the beginning of a great trip.
Let us know how it goes.
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Humm..WOW the sugar free part i can wrap ideas around but unfamilur with gluten free items,, i was goin to offer ideas but now i am in unfamilur territory well i want to you and offer
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I calculate your RMR at about 1250 (it flexed a bit depending on which calculator I used). On the website, Dr J seems to calculate UD by taking RMR and adding about 300 calories. Since 1100 calories is below RMR, I suspect you are stressing your body unnecessarily. Eat nuts as Kimberly says. If you like cream in your coffee - get the real thing and measure it by the tablespoon. (Hint for DD, a teaspoon of HWC is about 20 calories.) Add cheese to dinner when you cook.

DDs cause your body to release sirtuin enzymes that build up in your system gradually - depending on age/metabolism/stuff science does not seem to know yet, saturation takes between two and eight weeks. Many people begin to lose weight before enzyme saturation happens (many of us 'feel' the day saturation hits - it feels good). Once this happens, weight loss rate frequently becomes extremely consistent or speeds up.

What does all this mean? Exactly what everyone else said. Your body is adjusting. Don't panic, give it some more time.

You are not going to be one of our super fast starters ("I lost 23 pounds after my first DD!"). But, especially since you do show a downward inclination, once you get going you are going to be great. Eat your UD calories, that should help you get the magic going.

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Here's another way to look at it, if you want--

Since you posted weights from 12 days, I took the 1st 6 and the 2nd 6, added them up, and averaged them.

1st 6 days, avg 137.66
2nd 6 days, avg 137.46

Lost: .2lbs

Okay, not a big loss. Sorry, I was hoping it would look more encouraging!
But it's better than looking at it as a 2lb gain!

I go from Tuesday to Monday and average my weight every week.

I agree that that "low" will probably stick soon, and you'll start seeing new lows!

Your body is healing and adjusting; the weight loss will come. Good luck!
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Jenny & Nancy, thanks so much. It is just what I needed to hear. Actually I was almost moved to tears. Just sensitive to kindness, I guess.
And Joyjoy, I am with you. I will just give it time.
I know my body has been stressed by the hcg woe, which I loved btw. But after losing 60 lbs over the last 15 months, I do feel much better. I guess it's easy to get obsessed with the weight reduction and realize the potential. I am truly happy and grateful to be where I am and if I reduce by my final 20 lbs over the next year, I will be just as happy.
I love this forum and all the wonderful peeps here.
Thanks again. I will keep you posted on my success.
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Beadart sorry to be slow to post. I've gone over your numbers and while everyone is concentrating on your UD numbers, I have been looking at your DD numbers. You are unlikely to lose weight eating between 400-450 calories on your DD. your DD calculate at 306 calories. You are eating approximately 150 extra calories each of your DD. I had been doing that and it was my undoing. I didn't start losing until I eliminated the extra 200 calories from my DD and went to 300 calories. For the fastest loss at 20% your numbers are 1,530/306. I hope this helps make things more clear for you. Good luck!
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I agree with MuffaBuff that fastest weightloss should be at 20% of your calories on DDs...that's the 306 she listed. But don't forget that Dr. J said that 500-cal DDs are fine for the 2-week induction period, and after that you could eat up to 35% of your calories (or 535 calories) to continue to lose weight. Of course, everyone is different and needs to find their own "magic" numbers...yours should fall between 306-535.

That said, I also agree that you a) likely are seeing the regain of water weight if you've added back carbs after coming off of hcg, and b) you should see some better scale action once the sirt-1 starts to kick in. The good news is that once the sirt-1 is activated, you'll see that the occasional higher DD or unexpected UUAD won't make a bit of difference and you'll continue to lose, even when you're not doing it "perfectly."

That's the forgiving part of JUDDD that makes the plan so enjoyable for many...it doesn't require perfection every single day to work. Unlike what many of us may be familiar with on a LC plan, where we got knocked out of ketosis after one bad day, "gained" 4 pounds overnight and needed to start over. No starting over here. Just find your groove, work the plan, and live your life.

Respecting your numbers every day is the biggest key to success, which you seem to be doing, so you'll get there.
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Great! You are doing it perfectly then! You need to be patient because it takes 8 weeks before you get the full blown effect of the SIRT-1! You will naturally lose as you go if you hang in there! Also, even when you go to maintenance level of 750 DD, you will have losses as well.
Just curious as to where in the book it states that it takes 8 weeks to get the full blown effect of Sirt1. I just read through the book and Dr J says 2 weeks. ??? Just curious?
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Also, Beadart, I would try to get every single one of your UD calories in! 1100 is not going to help boost your metabolism. I know that it is scary, but this will work. The thing is you have been doing Hcg at 500 calories so your brain is having some difficulty adjusting to the abundance in calories EOD. Nancy and Linda seem to think that this beginning period is the most important time in JUDDD on getting to the calorie level. I have difficulty here so, I have started adding in healthy fats avocado, evco, and nuts. It is a fine line in a way, you do not want to eat above but you want to get close.
Coming from HCG it will take your body time to adjust.
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I started JUDDD on 6/18 and now I am up from my original weight. I know I need to wait it out, but it makes me so nervous after coming off of hcg. I was on day 66 of phase 4 when I started this. I am doing all correctly and having a bit of difficulty getting in my 1700 calories. I actually feel too full after eating that much and according to the scale, my feelings are correct!
These are my stats so far:

6/18/12 137.4 Started JUDDD - 1st Up Day
6/19/12 138 DD
6/20/12 137 UD
6/21/12 138.4 DD
6/22/12 137 UD
6/23/12 138.2 DD
6/24/12 136.6 UD
6/25/12 137.4 DD
6/26/12 136.6 UD
6/27/12 137.6 DD
6/28/12 137.4 UD
6/29/12 139.2 DD

Today I am up 7.4 from my LDW and I am about ready to rip my hair out.
Today is a dd for me, so hopefully tomorrow will show some good results. I know I shouldn't weigh every day, but it's a habit I learned while doing 3 rounds of hcg and I can't seem to stop doing that. Any advice on how long before this woe takes?
Beadart, I wish I would have read your post sooner. I'm not sure how I missed it, but anyway. I am still very much a newbie but my story is very similar to yours. I was 42 days into phase 4 of my fourth round of hcg when I discovered and began to read about juddd. I am not sure why but I had been stable in my 2 pound window and then suddenly I wasn't. I hadn't even added back very much in the way of processed sugar or starchy carbs but I was doing a correction day every other day and I never knew what to expect when I woke up and it made it very hard to plan and budget for food. Not to mention it was getting very expensive to buy that much steak. I had never done any of the alternate corrections in any other round but I broke down and tried a few this time. The greek yogurt one worked out fine but the very dau before i started juddd I did an egg correction day and gained one pound!!! I have never been sensitive to eggs nor am I allergic so I don't know what happened there but the next day was a Friday and I started juddd. Here are my numbers so far:

6/22/12 ud 157.4
6/23/12 dd 157.4
6/24/12 ud 157.4
6/25/12 dd 158.7
6/26/12 ud 156.2
6/27/12 dd 157.1
6/28/12 ud 157.5
6/29/12 dd 158.9 incorporated a liver flush with this dd
6/30/12 ud 154.8
7/1/12 dd 155.9
7/2/12 ud 156.1 - TOM
7/3/12 dd 158.0
7/4/12 ud 160.2 - I must confess yesterday's dd was derailed when I ate a whole bunch of sugar later last night - I could blame it on the TOM hormones but the truth is I knew better and I did it anyway. I had several really bad dreams--interesting

So, here I sit heavier than when I started and 5.9 pounds above my ldw. I was planning on doing my last and final round in October and I would really love to do this instead even if it is slower because I have been working so hard for so long i'm just tired and I want to have some "normalcy" to my life. My goal is 135 because I am only 5'3". I was extremely frustrated by all of this and then I read your post this morning. I think that we just have to keep at it. Maybe the whole hcg thing puts a unique spin on our situation. After reading the book and all of the fabulous ladies on here that share their stories I think there is really something to all of this.
at my starting weight of 157.4 my numbers from the website are 1760 and 352 for 20% wlm. But...... I decided to do 500 for my dd's for induction and I have to say that I have been white knuckling my way through 500 calories on those days. I absolutely positively cannot do any less at this moment . Maybe eventually I will have some kind of hunger supression kick in and I will be able to but not right now. I do however seem to be less hungry on my up days but I eat anyway because I can so I have gotten in all of my calories and then some on those days. All of this is a really long way of saying that I know exactly how you feel and I wish you all the best. We can stick it out together. Maybe we are meant to inspire someone down the road when we look back and say I was really slow out of the gate but I ended up winning the race!

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Sonia, I feel your angst! However I am happy to report that this morning I finally dropped down 1.4 after a dd, but the good news is that I dropped down after my last up day, so I think I am on my way. It has officially been two weeks since I started JUDDD, so I do believe it is true that it takes 2 weeks to kick in.
My only weird thing is that on up days, I wake up with NO hunger and on down days, I wake up and I am very hungry. Wishing it was the other way around to make it easier, but maybe that will kick in soon too! Hang in there, I believe this is the way to go. So many others on this forum have had such success, I wish to be one of them one day soon!
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Just curious as to where in the book it states that it takes 8 weeks to get the full blown effect of Sirt1. I just read through the book and Dr J says 2 weeks. ??? Just curious?
Yes, you do have the Sirt-1 activated very soon with fasting and that is why you start feeling the appetite suppression and have difficulty eating on UD. I am pretty sure Dr. J says it is activated after your 1st 24 hour fast. What I was referring to here is all of the extended benefits of the SIRT-1, the scientific research shows many extended benefits such as metabolism repair, releasing fat storage, blood sugar balance, arthritis, diabetes, cardiovascular, alzheimer's etc. I don't even think this is discussed at length in Dr. J's book because he doesn't go into detail about all of the scientific studies, which is one reason I find his website to be more of marketing ploy and not very helpful. Yam-Yam or Nancy, one, started a thread specifically on Sirt-1 and the scientific studies where we discussed this. Hopefully I can find it, so you can see that weight loss is great, but the extended benefits which is the fact that you can lose weight or even maintain when you go on vacation and eat in excess. Or if for some reason you have to abstain from fasting that is when the extended benefits of SIRT-1 kick in and Dr. J claims (in his book) that it can even last up to 2 weeks from when you last fasted?

So, realistically, after you have been JUDDDing for 8 weeks or thereabouts, you could take a week off to go on vacation and not have much damage to your weight because your SIRT-1 is going to cover you in full force during this time.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:28 PM   #28
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Sonia, I feel your angst! However I am happy to report that this morning I finally dropped down 1.4 after a dd, but the good news is that I dropped down after my last up day, so I think I am on my way. It has officially been two weeks since I started JUDDD, so I do believe it is true that it takes 2 weeks to kick in.
My only weird thing is that on up days, I wake up with NO hunger and on down days, I wake up and I am very hungry. Wishing it was the other way around to make it easier, but maybe that will kick in soon too! Hang in there, I believe this is the way to go. So many others on this forum have had such success, I wish to be one of them one day soon!
Congrats Beadart! It will even get better as time goes!
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Sonia, I missed your post! I agree, just hang in there!!! You have been on a very stressful diet with hcg and it is quite extensive calorie restriction. So, please be patient, 2 weeks is not long enough for JUDDD, it really takes longer and one day you will start noticing the scale is truly going down even when it bounces up, it will continually go down.

Oh, and if after a month and you still are not losing weight, you may need to go back and look at your numbers. I hate to tell you but my calculated number for UD were about 200 calories too high for me. It took me several weeks of going up and down the same lb before I realized that I needed less calories on UD.
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For Mitsa.... Hope this helps.

Wow! Sirtuin enzymes rock!
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