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Old 06-24-2012, 07:50 PM   #1
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Coconut Oil Question?

Hey everyone!

I'm a newbie, only been doing JUDDD for 4 days now, have lost 5.8 lbs so far (coming from LC).

First off, I apologize if this is a repeat question, I've read through so many of the threads on JUDDD (there are SO many ) and I purchased the Alternative Day Diet book on my Nook but haven't read it yet. (Not sure if this even covers the topic).

So question is...before starting JUDDD I was putting CO in my coffee in the morning every day and I loved how it helped my body. I have Guttate Psoriasis and some parts of my body breaks out in scabs/scales, especially my scalp. But once I started taking the CO that all disappeared.

I saw someone mention (on another site) that they don't count the cals in CO for some reason. Does anyone know why this is, and is it true? I would love to keep using it as I was, but I don't know if I should use up my cals in order to do so....or maybe cut down a bit.

Any advice is appreciated, thank you in advance. And sorry for babbling.
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I am reading the "Coconut Miracle" by Bruce Fife, MD. I believe that is where they are getting it. I will try and find the info where he researched this and come back with something to help understand. You probably have read the "Diamateious Earth - Silica" thread that Pirate Jenny has started, we have a big group there who are doing CO daily on that thread.
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PirateJenny's silica/co thread...

Silica supplementation (diatomaceous earth)
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Thank you, I will go read that thread right now.
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Yes, we started talking about CO around page 4 of the DE thread.

One reason for not counting those calories is that the fat in CO (medium chain triglycerides) is used differently than other types of fat, and not stored in the body.*

Another could be, some people may choose not to count the calories in their supplements, and CO gives them so many health benefits that they wouldn't want to stop taking it for any reason!

*allegedly!

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This is one of those YMMV issues. CO is pure fat and when I was eating several T's daily, I managed to gain weight. It took forever to go away.

Some have epic stalls from using these amts CO.

No matter what these are calories so since you find it an important supplement, try it both ways.

You may actually get some healing from psoriasis just following JUDDD.
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Jem is right. CO is controversial and we have some JUDDDers who can't take it because of their blood lipids being too high. High cholesterol. We have another long thread about the negative on CO. I just can't remember which one, so I will have to look that one up as well.
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I see, one size doesn't fit all.

I think I will just limit it instead of using everyday, probably best for my UDs, and count the calories as stated on it.

Thank you all for the info and advice.
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Karen,

I have seborrheic dermatitis, mostly at the hairline, but sometimes in patches elsewhere as well. Mine is pretty much gone in the last few months. I'm not sure if it's JUDDD or thyroid disease (which caused me to get really dry skin), so I can't tell you for sure that JUDDD will help yours, but it sure can't hurt!

I also would love NOT to count CO, but I haven't quite worked up the courage to try it yet.
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I too count the CO calories. I am cutting back to 1 t instead of 1 T in my morning coffee. Too much was causing me to feel nauseus every morning. 1 t doesn't cause that but probably isn't enough to help with anything either.
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Thanks minimonkey! I'm really liking (maybe even loving) JUDDD so far. I tried 24 on 24 off fasting before, when I was on LC, so this just made a more sense for me to do.

I have also tried the turmeric golden milk quite a few times, so maybe it could be that also that has cleared my psoriasis. I incorporated them around the same time so not sure. But I also had the issue with losing lots of hair when brushing and that has decreased a lot also...SOMETHING is working though.

I will probably use them both sparingly as I can when the calories allow since one of these 3 things are doing the trick. Been looking into oil pulling too, if I can remember to do that in the morning.
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From my edition of Fife's book, page 92,
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"MCT (medium chain triglicerides) oil, which is derived from coconut oil and consists of 75 percent caprylic acid (C:8) and 25 percent capric acid (C:10), has an effective energy value of only 6.8 calories per gram. This is much less than the 9 calories per gram supplied by other fats. Coconut oil has at least 2.56 percent fewer calories per gram of fat than long-chain fatty acids. This means that if you use coconut oil in place of other oils, your calorie intake is lower."
He then goes on to explain that the news is even better because of the way coconut oil is processed in the body, producing energy, not fat. And then on page 93,
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"As a consequence, you can eat much more coconut oil than you can other oils before the excess is converted into fat. It has been well documented in numerous dietary studies, using both animals and humans, that replacing LCFAs with MCFAs results in a decrease in body weight gain and a reduction in fat deposition."

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Dottie first mentioned that she doesn't count the calories in CO (What don't you count?) . I find that I lose a lot better when I add in CO and don't count the calories. 500 calories plus 2 T of CO (ie, an additional 120 calories) leads to better loss for me than 500 calories and no CO.
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I eat 1 Tb of CO with each meal. I count 1/2 the calories. I am losing between 2 and 2.5/week.

I do not count calories when I rub it on my face, hands, etc. Before I found JUDDD, CO cured a mild/medium Psoriasis I had on my legs for decades (still have to apply CO about once a month), and a spot of eczema I had on an eyelid.

I also do not count the cals when I use CO for oil-pulling (and if you are not oil-pulling, I encourage you to look it up. The results are stunning.)
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Dottie first mentioned that she doesn't count the calories in CO (What don't you count?) . I find that I lose a lot better when I add in CO and don't count the calories. 500 calories plus 2 T of CO (ie, an additional 120 calories) leads to better loss for me than 500 calories and no CO.
Tiva, which CO are you using? Mine's 120 calories per T. I use Trader Joe's virgin - I don't think there's anything added. Will look at lunch.
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I have Nutiva EVCO, 130 cals and Aunt Patty's organic (refined) CO, 120 cals. They all fall w/in the same range so I'm thinking Tiva must be counting 1/2 the cals.
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Nancy, I can't believe I've never heard of oil pulling. I'll try it! What kind of stunning results did you experience?????
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Nancy's OP story (spoiler alert, this is a bit gross).

Three years ago I was already eating EVCO and spreading it here, there, and everywhere. While surfing the internet one evening I came across oil-pulling.

Hmmmm.

Well, I had a bad, painful abscess behind one molar - a place I got nasty infections frequently. I planned to call the dentist in the morning 'cause chewing was too painful. Which was a problem because he would want to give me antibiotics and I am allergic to antibiotics.

Hey! Why not try OP?

So, I filled my mouth with a big spoon of EVCO and I swished and I swished about 10 minutes. Then I leaned over the kitchen sink and spat. I spat out used up EVCO. And pus. And blood. Yucky gunk. And more yucky gunk. I rinsed and spat and rinsed and spat. When I finished, it took 10 minutes to scour the sink.

The abscess was way down and the pain was almost gone.

The next morning I OP'd again and that was the end of the abscess.

It cleans, it removes plaque, my check ups are totally nbd. If I have a cold and OP, things get nasty because OP does remove mucus from my sinus and chest...so, of course, I OP several times a day when I have a cold.

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Nancy - I get my teeth cleaned 2 times a year because I have a lot of tarter build up, do you think doing like you mentioned would help and then i could save $$$ by not going to get them cleaned so often??
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I tried OP for the first time this morning. Very interesting! I was amazed by the different tastes appearing in my mouth as the swishing progressed. A bit like breath of fire in Kundalini yoga. Thanks for the suggestion, Nancy. I'm going to do this for a month and see what happens.
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Leonak, I truly think it is worth trying. I encourage you to do some research on OP. It has helped a lot of tartar-producing people. I think I had about average build-up, and I floss after every meal and I OP once or twice a day. And these days my dentist has to search to find enough work to justify his bill
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What I think happens when we OP.

Usually the mouth is very aerobic. Fresh air comes in every time we inhale or talk (or mouth breath). If the mouth is aerobic, the bacteria that live there are air-breathers.

When we OP, the lips have to be closed. And, I think it is called the glottal stop at the back of the throat automatically closes when there is something in our mouth. This prevents inhaling that something.

So, when we OP, our mouth becomes a closed, anaerobic system. Meaning the bacteria die.

Interestingly, when oil combines with saliva, something very close to soap is created by the swishing action. So, a form of soap swishes around gathering up strangled bacteria. And, yes, the action - at least for me - seems to dissolve tartar too.

Which we then spit out.

(Bruce Fife, Mr CO, says many of the healthy bacteria we want in our mouths can go either way and so are not completely wiped out by OP)

Moreover, during the swishing, every soft surface in our mouth absorbs some of the oil. So, as a lovely finishing touch, our mouth is saturated with anti-microbial oil. This seems to produce the same healthy effect that we get by rubbing EVCO onto our skin and by eating same.

If you do research, you will find some people swear by OPing sunflower oil or EVOO or other oils. Some people rotate oils because they see different reactions (and like all of the reactions). On skin, in tummmy, or in mouth, I suspect there are several oils that can make a significant impact.

I have not tried a lot of oils. Mostly because oil is expensive and I don't keep a lot in the house.

BUT, and here is another spoiler warning...when you swish liquid in your mouth, if it hits the back of your throat .... well the body automatically ejects anything that might cause drowning. I tried EVOO and found different weights of oil require different swishing motions to control where they go. I tried a Tb of EVOO, swished a few minutes, and abruptly and violently coughed out what seemed like a gallon of oily fluid. All over the room

I haven't tried EVOO again yet. But I will. With care.

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I have EVCO that I no longer use because it was causing my constant cold sore outbreaks.

So, I was thinking that maybe I could use it for OP....which I've never tried.

I just swished a spoonful (too much) for, well, the longest 10 min of my life....although it did get better as time passed.

I will try this 2xdaily and see what happens. Hopefully will not absorb enough to stimulate coldsores.
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I'm going to try this as well. Can I use the processed stuff (LouAna)? I have that and the organic virgin, but the virgin stuff tastes so good, I'm afraid I won't be able to avoid eating it! Not good on a DD.
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I love EVCO for OP also! I do want to warn to be sure and not swallow and do this 1st thing in the morning. Also, have one glass of warm water ready to swish through your mouth to get the residue out. The reason that you do not want to swallow, is of course, you now have the toxins mixed into the oil that were residing in your mouth. My dental hygienist is very impressed with my teeth.

For those of you who have tartar, you may want to switch to brushing with toothepaste made with xylitol also. It kills all bacteria and is great for whitening. I am hearing great reports on the dirt thread about brushing with DE, as well.
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I've been using Argan Oil for my face moisturizer lately. Regular moisturizers break me out. I wake up to soft skin in the morning without being oily at all. I heard that using EVOO on your face (at night) will remove makeup and blackheads.
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I have also OP with safflower oil, but there is definitely something to the EVCO. I am not sure if it is just the anti-bacterial properties or the thermogenic, but it is amazing how it works.
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