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lylydvd 06-12-2012 08:53 AM

800 cal down,1500 cal up..can it work ?
at first things were much easier for me to stick to 500 calories or even less on down days..now I'm really struggling to stick to this number or even little more..i know it's one of Juddd secrets to consume all your maintenance calories on up days to prevent going into starvation mode..but i also informed that zig-zaging calories have the same effect..and i swear that i had read it in some reliable source that you don't have to take all your calories in up days and some lose more when they lower their calories allotment ..so i'm thinking in make an adjustment to my juddd plan..i will eat 800-900 calories on down days and 1500-1400 on up days. and 500-2000 occasionally :(

what do you think:sad:can this work..

brewstate 06-12-2012 10:41 AM

All you can do is try it and see. I don't know how much you weigh so it would be hard to tell if that is too many calories or not.

mykidsteacher 06-12-2012 11:00 AM

What are your numbers supposed to be based on the calculator?

For ME, 800/1500 is maintenance (you can see my stats, and I'm 47). I guess it depends on what your numbers should be and how far off from that the new numbers are.

Muffabuff 06-12-2012 01:06 PM

You really haven't given us the information we need to even begin to assess your new plan. Can you post again with your height, weight, age?

lylydvd 06-12-2012 02:09 PM

the calculator said that i have to eat 2100 calorie on up days and 450 on down days

mttemple4 06-12-2012 03:27 PM

Well, I absolutely have done it that way. My calories are supposed to be 1980 and 450 ish and they were 2100 on up days at the beginning. I tried JUDDD twice and just could not stand those 500 calorie days. I gave it one more shot with 800 calorie "down days" and anywhere between 1700-2100 up days. I am still losing faster than I was on straight calorie counting. Down 13 lbs since March 26 and finally in onederland. :)

For some reason, it is easier for me to make that herculean effort for a down day (albeit an easier one than most here do) than to keep, say, 1350 a day every day.

Muffabuff 06-12-2012 03:59 PM

Your plan of 500/2000 sounds like the best way to go. The other number you mentioned seems too far off your reccomended calories to work well for you. Im thinking it does not give you a big enough spread between UD and DD calories. It is usually best to go with what is reccomended. However, each body is individual so perhaps you need to experiment to know for sure. If you do it your way and it works, great. If it doesn't, maybe you can then accept the woe as it is advised and relax into it. Either way I hope you find success. Good luck. Let us know how it works out.

Muffabuff 06-12-2012 08:55 PM

I just read a post that said there must be at least 1,000 calories between UD and DD. if that is correct lylydvd the numbers you want to do will not bring you weight loss. It is too close to a regular low calorie everyday diet.

gotsomeold 06-13-2012 06:05 AM

I don't think there is any absolute range of caloric numbers we can state. So much depends on metabolic rate and hormonal activity and exercise levels that, for two people of the same height/frame, very different DD/UD calories may be needed.

That being said, I suspect to activate caloric stress response and produce sirtuin enzymes on DD you need to stay at or below 1/2 BMR (or RMR depending on which study you read), and to turn the enzymes off you need to stay around BMR/RMR on UD.

I say give the numbers you propose a try. If you are someone who dives quickly through caloric stress response into starvation, then higher DDs will work better for you.

I do suspect your planned UD calories are too low. Turning off caloric stress response is really important (said the lady who stalled March and APril because she accidentally did not turn CSR off). The website seems to calculate UD cals at BMR + 200. I suggest on UD you eat no less than your calculated calories - 200. Give it a few weeks and see what happens.

mykidsteacher 06-13-2012 09:49 AM

Agreeing with the thought that 1500 is going to be too low. What about trying 600/1900? That's not quite so far off your calculations, has a good swing between UD/DD, gives a little more leeway on the DD, and gives enough on the UD to assure you break out of the stress response.

SuzeQ 06-14-2012 11:07 AM

I see a problem possibly. If you average 600/1900 over seven days you get 1343/day. Can and have you lost on that caloric level? Some of us, like me, would not lose, so take a look at that aspect.

krow134 06-14-2012 05:37 PM

I say just try it! If you stop losing or start gaining. You know to go back to closer to what JUDDD recommends. Thats the joy of JUDDD, you can make it work for you by little changes!!!

Right now for me I have been doing about the same thing as you 1500 on UD's and 800-900 on DD's. I was finding it hard to eat less as the summer came and I got way more active. I was debating maintance, but I thought for the summer I will just go with the flow. I will weigh daily and measure weekly and see what happens. I figure for a few months to ease my mind of "dieting" I will follow the idea of JUDDD but not completely. You know fasting/not fasting. I tell you once I "freed" my mind. I noticed this week I started losing inches again!!!

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