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Old 06-08-2012, 12:27 AM   #1
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Eat Stop Eat

Hi all, i was researching something before and came across this Eat Stop Eat woe.
Has anyone here done it and how much diffeent is it to Juddd?
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:35 AM   #2
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There are lots of intermittent fasting / cycling very low calorie plans out there. Whether they know/acknowledge it or not, each of them works because any extended period of caloric deprivation is going to invoke caloric stress response and the sirtuin enzymes are going to flow.

So, we have JUDDD, and Eat-Stop-Eat, and Fast-5, and a plethora of other choices...all fundamentally working the same way.

I think JUDDD is kinder than some plans because, although it is not much, you can eat on DD.

BUT, every individual metabolism works differently. So, if JUDDD is not working for someone AND that person can fast/live on less than about 100 cals for an extended period, then it would probably be a good idea for that person to try some of the other plans. A different pattern of caloric stress response might be just what that person needs.

And, although JUDDD seems to work best for me , I have been known to fall over to Fast-5 on vacation or in times of stress. Just to ensure those enzymes are not washing away.
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With Eat Stop Eat, IIRC, you fast for 24 hours, 2x per week.
So let's say you have dinner tonight at 6...you wouldn't eat again until 6 tomorrow.
Then you would do that again some other time this week.

It doesn't count calories or have Up Days or Down Days. You just do the 24-hour fasts.

Depending on what/when you eat, I suppose there would be some days where you might only have one meal, and you could adhere to JUDDD "Down Day" calories if you wanted to. But then you'd only get 2 DDs per week.

I often combine Fast 5 + JUDDD...fast until 2pm on UDs, eat late lunch + dinner or snack. On DDs I fast until 6 or 7pm and only eat one meal.

My son's grandpa has been doing something like ESE for a couple months.
One day he eats normally, the next day he only eats dinner.
He's losing about a pound a week and very happy with it.
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Eat Stop Eat: one or two 24-hour fasts a week

Fast Five: fast 19 hours, eat five hours

Leangains: fast 16 hours, eat eight hours

Warrior Diet: fast 20 hours, eat four hours

JUDDD, or "Alternate Day Diet": Eat 20-40% calorie rate on Down Days, eat 100% calorie rate on Up Days, alternate Up and Down days.

Granted, these are just the eat or don't-eat parts of the diets... each one also has its own take on WHAT you should eat, and some of them deal with when you should train/exercise during the fasted state, and what to eat in post-training recovery.
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I have been doing Eat Stop Eat since May 17th. I do 24 hour fasting 3X per week though, trying to lose that little extra to get to my goal. I also am low carb on the days I do eat, this is working great for me so far. My weight hadn`t budged for months until now, I will probably continue to do this 2X per week to maintain. I feel great on the days that I fast, it`s given me a whole new perspective on food ( not so obsessed) and on the days that I do eat, I find that I need less food. This is very simple, no calorie counting, percentages, etc... I love it.
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awesome recap - thanks Synger!
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That Synger, she is amazing!

Tishylish, so glad this is working for you.
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Eat Stop Eat: one or two 24-hour fasts a week

Fast Five: fast 19 hours, eat five hours

Leangains: fast 16 hours, eat eight hours

Warrior Diet: fast 20 hours, eat four hours

JUDDD, or "Alternate Day Diet": Eat 20-40% calorie rate on Down Days, eat 100% calorie rate on Up Days, alternate Up and Down days.

Granted, these are just the eat or don't-eat parts of the diets... each one also has its own take on WHAT you should eat, and some of them deal with when you should train/exercise during the fasted state, and what to eat in post-training recovery.
Juddd is MUCH kinder to me. I seriously couldnt do the other kind of fasting, no way.
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:26 PM   #9
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Its true what they say, "different strokes, different folks".

Everyone finds "what works" for them.

Good luck to everyone on your woe.
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I tried ESE for a while a few months ago and even dabbled into Fast 5 but I was always so hungry just from the thought of fasting and completely depriving myself. There is comfort in knowing that you can have *something* to eat even if its not much. The other diets are probably great for some but I couldn't cut it. However, on that note, I do love JUDDD
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I did ESE for the better part of a year. Bounced between a 5 pound spread for the entire year. It would be a great maintenance tool for me.
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Eat Stop Eat: one or two 24-hour fasts a week

Fast Five: fast 19 hours, eat five hours

Leangains: fast 16 hours, eat eight hours

Warrior Diet: fast 20 hours, eat four hours

JUDDD, or "Alternate Day Diet": Eat 20-40% calorie rate on Down Days, eat 100% calorie rate on Up Days, alternate Up and Down days.

Granted, these are just the eat or don't-eat parts of the diets... each one also has its own take on WHAT you should eat, and some of them deal with when you should train/exercise during the fasted state, and what to eat in post-training recovery.
Thanks for the summary!
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:49 AM   #13
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I'm following Leangains and JUDD. I follow JUDD but follow the eating window for Leangains.
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I'm following Leangains and JUDD. I follow JUDD but follow the eating window for Leangains.
I am doing it too! Only I had no idea it had a name! LOL Too funny!
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So funny, the more I read in these forums of the different WOE's, the more I see that I combine about 3 different WOE's to get the results I need!

I had no idea before today that there was a plan called E.S.E., yet, I've been doing that for about the last month! Along with I.F. 8 hour window, and simply low carb eating, It all works for me.

I LOVE the feeling of control when I have a stall, or a gain. I fast for 24hrs and BOOM! I'm usually down 3 or 4 lbs! then, I'll follow that with the 8 hr window. the beauty is the flexibility that these WOE's give us. I HATE counting calories and I HATE planning meals! Before discovering these WOE's, I used to say, "I'd rather not eat at all than have to go through all that hassle!"

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I combine them too. I have one day per week that I completely fast and end up with a 36-48 hour total fast. Then at least one other day I have a 24 hour fast by delaying dinner on a DD. And then there are days when I allow myself the 5 hour window without counting. Some of those days I doubt I hit UD calories and some I'm sure I go over. But it's been working for me in maintenance and I've still gradually lost a bit more.
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Eat Stop Eat: one or two 24-hour fasts a week

Fast Five: fast 19 hours, eat five hours

Leangains: fast 16 hours, eat eight hours

Warrior Diet: fast 20 hours, eat four hours

JUDDD, or "Alternate Day Diet": Eat 20-40% calorie rate on Down Days, eat 100% calorie rate on Up Days, alternate Up and Down days.

Granted, these are just the eat or don't-eat parts of the diets... each one also has its own take on WHAT you should eat, and some of them deal with when you should train/exercise during the fasted state, and what to eat in post-training recovery.
Thank you so much for the recap! Now I understand the differences. I have seen a few of them on the Internet recently when I was researching training and fasting. I will probably have to adjust my WOE when I start training heavier. Right now I am mixing JUDDD and Fast 5 and didn't know it, it just made sense!
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I combine them too. I have one day per week that I completely fast and end up with a 36-48 hour total fast. Then at least one other day I have a 24 hour fast by delaying dinner on a DD. And then there are days when I allow myself the 5 hour window without counting. Some of those days I doubt I hit UD calories and some I'm sure I go over. But it's been working for me in maintenance and I've still gradually lost a bit more.
Kathy, good for you to be able to do that! Last week, I extended my normal 24hr fast into a 36 hour one, and nearly hit the floor. It wasn't a good feeling at all! So, I will stick with my 24 hr fasts. Normally, I only do them once a week, but I'm certainly going to see where I can squeeze in another one!
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I find 24 hour fasts good because you still get to eat a meal once a day, regardless of when you start and stop. I don`t feel deprived at all as other posters have said they do, I guess it`s because I have reaped so many benefits from IF in such a short amount of time. Also, being a fat burner instead of a carb burner is a tremendous help during IF.
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TishyLish, It's good to see someone who has had success with the 24 hour fasting method. I agree about eating once a day. I have to be careful not to totally go nuts when I eat though! I'm 3 lbs down from yesterday's weigh! That will adjust over the next few days, but it still makes me feel good!
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Terri B, I have found that if I eat breakfast instead of dinner I am less apt to over eat on the fasting day. I eat, then it`s off to work for the day... instead of dinner or supper (as I call it) and stuffing myself all evening. When I know that I can`t eat in the evening and sleep through the worst of the fast it`s just a lot easier for me. I tried the Warrior Diet for 2 weeks....fasting for 18 - 20 hours every day then eating in the evening in the 4-6 hour window. It was brutal for me, I was completely obsessed about food and starving all day. When I ate during my window I was like a pig and couldn`t get filled up and it really was hard on my digestion. So here I am back at 3 fasts per week and feeling great, mentally and physically and I wish you great success with your chosen path. Oh, and by the way my hubby is eating this way too, so it makes things a lot easier.
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Tish, I'm the opposite. If I eat in the morning, I will be STARVING by noon. If I eat nothing, It's no problem to go until noon or later without eating anything. A lot of my problem is, and always will be, eating out of boredom. I LOVE the taste of food. the easiest thing for me is not eating at all.

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[QUOTE=TishyLish68;15826434]I find 24 hour fasts good because you still get to eat a meal once a day, regardless of when you start and stop. I don`t feel deprived at all as other posters have said they do, I guess it`s because I have reaped so many benefits from IF in such a short amount of time. Also, being a fat burner instead of a carb burner is a tremendous help during IF.[/QUOTE]

I haven't read Dr. Johnson's book, so please forgive me if the answer to this question is in there.

Does IF help you to become a fat burner instead of a carb burner? And how long will that last if you go back to regular eating?

I am really confused......I recently completed an Ironman and instead of losing weight, I gained 15 lbs. Meanwhile, all by friends lost weight!

I was eating clean and seeing a Sports Nutritionist. He said I wasn't eating enough calories (I was eating 1800 a day & training 20 hrs a week.) So when I tried JUDDD I honestly didn't think it would work.

So I am wondering if my issue is that I am a carb burner and how to change that or if it's a cortisol issue, hormones or what. I'd really like to keep up the sport, but honestly ready to give it up in favor of Crossfit so I can feel good about myself and at least LOOK like I exercise.

Maybe I wouldn't have gained if I would have cycled my calories?

I feel like you all know more than people who have degrees in Nutrition! LOL
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CaTriGirl,

I'm not sure but I think what tishy meant was the fact that when you are eating fairly low carb, your body doesn't have as many carbs to burn, so it resorts to burning fat. During I.F., you are engaging the burn more frequently and for longer periods of time. This is why EVERY SINGLE TIME that I engage in a 24 hr fast, I drop 3 to 4 lbs! It's very liberating and empowering!

Now, I don't have a degree in Nutrition or anything, but I know what I know! You know?
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I just naturally combine JUDDD and fast 5. 1 UD during the week I try to eat all three meals. I did today and I actually felt plain yucky after lunch. My body prefers eating in the evening only and doesn't seem to mind not being fed before 7pm. My UDs were getting too under so I had promised myself 1 really good UD a week, but after today I may rethink that. I bought some delish looking fresh, wild salmon to prepare with some orzo tonight, but, yuck, I just want to sleep and am actually looking forward to tomorrw being a DD. I never thoght I'd hear myself say that!!!
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Yes, CaTriGirl I did mean that when you consistently keep your carbs low, you`ll burn fat instead of sugar. I am not a JUDDDer, but I know that some of them do low carb too.
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I find 24 hour fasts good because you still get to eat a meal once a day, regardless of when you start and stop. I don`t feel deprived at all as other posters have said they do, I guess it`s because I have reaped so many benefits from IF in such a short amount of time. Also, being a fat burner instead of a carb burner is a tremendous help during IF.[/QUOTE]

I haven't read Dr. Johnson's book, so please forgive me if the answer to this question is in there.

Does IF help you to become a fat burner instead of a carb burner? And how long will that last if you go back to regular eating?

I am really confused......I recently completed an Ironman and instead of losing weight, I gained 15 lbs. Meanwhile, all by friends lost weight!

I was eating clean and seeing a Sports Nutritionist. He said I wasn't eating enough calories (I was eating 1800 a day & training 20 hrs a week.) So when I tried JUDDD I honestly didn't think it would work.

So I am wondering if my issue is that I am a carb burner and how to change that or if it's a cortisol issue, hormones or what. I'd really like to keep up the sport, but honestly ready to give it up in favor of Crossfit so I can feel good about myself and at least LOOK like I exercise.

Maybe I wouldn't have gained if I would have cycled my calories?

I feel like you all know more than people who have degrees in Nutrition! LOL
I just finished The Art & Science of Low Carb Performance and there is a ton of info in there. They say it takes about a month to become a fat burner (they call it keto-adapted). They recommend a high fat diet and less than 50 carbs.

The Kindle edition was free last week.
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