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Old 06-04-2012, 08:19 PM   #1
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Acceptance

After almost a month of hesitation, I finally accepted that probably juddd isn't my weight loss secret.. It has been 2months and I've gained instead. Although I did drop for a day or two but it bounced up and never came down again.

It has really been a wonderful experience.. Being about to forge a better relationship with food, no longer full of fear and disgust but I'm going off track from my plan.

Hopefully the relationship stays this way, and the scale starts loving in the right direction..

Thank you so much everyone for everything. Perhaps I'll be back for maintainence! But for now in just really confused, scared and clueless as to what to do..
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After almost a month of hesitation, I finally accepted that probably juddd isn't my weight loss secret.. It has been 2months and I've gained instead. Although I did drop for a day or two but it bounced up and never came down again.

It has really been a wonderful experience.. Being about to forge a better relationship with food, no longer full of fear and disgust but I'm going off track from my plan.

Hopefully the relationship stays this way, and the scale starts loving in the right direction..

Thank you so much everyone for everything. Perhaps I'll be back for maintainence! But for now in just really confused, scared and clueless as to what to do..
I wish I knew the answer. Wishing you much success in your journey!
This seems to be working sporadically for me, but I know too that I have wrestled with whether to go to another WOE and I really have tried just about everything out there.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:38 PM   #3
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Sorry to see you go. I looked at some of your older posts. Some of us found a few confusing and asked you to clarify so we could be more helpful but you did not respond. In one post you said you were losing on 1600 cal UD and asked if you should eat more calories on UD. Very confusing! Why would you eat more? Sorry that this woe is not a good fit for you. Good luck I hope you find something that suits you.
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:30 PM   #4
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Hi muffabuff!

I'm sorry I could have missed out on some of the posts. I wouldn't ignore I promise. I got on the scale today and saw another upward trend. I told myself that it could be due to the BBQ I had 2 days back on an UD but i accessed my overall trend and it rarely showed down.

I really don't want to leave either. After 2 months doing juddd I really enjoyed it, the freedom everything. Now I'm clueless on what to do next.

Here's an overall review of my diet


{JUDDDD}
date-mode-(weight)-calories
29/3-U-1400
30/3-D-400

4/5-M-900
5/5-M-1150
6/5-D-(50.5)-200
7/5-U-(50)-1600
8/5-D-(50.5)-400(fruits only)
9/5-U-(49.5)-1700
10/5-D-(50.5)-400
11/5-U-(49.5)-1700
12/5-D-(Idk)-400
13/5-U-(49.5)-1800
14/5-D-(50)-400
15/5-U-(49)-1850
16/5-D-(idk)-350
17/5-U-(49.5)-1850
18/5-D-(idk)-350
19/5-U-(49)-1950 (carbo hell)
20/5-D-(idk)-500 (2 sandwich,4 coffee)
21/5-U-(idk)-1800
22/5-D-(idk)-300
23/5-U-(idk)-1800
24/5-D-(idk)-600
25/5-U/M-(49.5)-1500
26/5-M-(idk)-idk 1300? (had a important family dinner)
27/5-D-(idk)-250?
28/5-U-(idk)-1750
29/5-D-(idk)-500
30/5-U-(idk)-1650
31/5-D-(idk)-700
1/6-U-(idk)-1850
2/6-D-(idk)-300
3/6-U-(50.5)-BBQ
4/6-D-(idk)-400
5/6-U-(51)-

Maybe I AM eating too much?
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:00 AM   #5
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Dckisses thank you for the information. From what I can see, your UD are not consistent. They go from 1600 all the way to 1950. The reason you are not losing, I think, is that you are simply not Juddding correctly. Whatever your UD calories are calculated at, those are the number of calories you should be eating on you UD. EVERY UP DAY! The same number of calories every UD. You are swinging back and forth with 350 calories. With Juddd, calories are the only thing that matter. I truly believe that if you would only do Juddd as it is meant to be done, you will lose the weight. It is such a simple concept but it does, as all diets do, have some rules. You're not following the rules. Perhaps you should give it a try the correct way and see how it goes.
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:51 AM   #6
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Dckisses - I don't know, but for me personally I stay low on DD's ALL THE TIME but my UD calories are all over the place and I still lose. Usually 350 calories or less but I did 500 calories yesterday and I did my regular bounce on the scale this morning so maybe I can eat 500 EVERY DD. I am going to check that theory out this week.
In the book Dr. J says if someone isn't losing it is usually that their DD calories are too high. Now wether that is your problem or not I do not know. BUT if I have a good UD (stay at my 1650) I do experience more and more consistent losses. I would probably be at goal if I didn't enjoy my UD's so much but I can't ignore that I have lost 25 pounds doing JUDDD this way.
Maybe try two weeks with a VERY strict UD/DD rotation and then see how it goes. Consistency may be the key. And I agree no MD's. I only did one since January and it messed me up for weeks.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:23 AM   #7
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Hey Diane!

Like Muff, I went back through your threads and found - with no exercise - the website suggested 1618/323 for you.

That does put your UDs (and some of your DDs) over by about 200. For some of us that amount should not matter. But you are small. And being small can make calories count more.

Can you try a week or two of DD at or less than 400, and UD not over 1650 and not under 1400?
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:31 AM   #8
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You've gotten good advice here, so I'll just say I agree with everyone. Do the plan, at the calories given, as written, for a couple of weeks and see what happens.
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:56 AM   #9
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Diane, oh, I knew beautiful help would pour in! I just want to add that a private YUCKY feeling about a YUCKY direction is WAY harder, in my short experience, than sharing it here, getting perspective, and starting again. I cannot imagine that there is no success here for you, given patience and the few deep breaths needed to take another step.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:20 AM   #10
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Great suggestions! Nancy knows what she is talking about! I have a feeling if you give this a whirl and do not go over on either dd or ud, you will see the lbs start to shed.

One suggestion that helps or at least for me, is that I plan my meals a week in advance and add the data in to my ******. This gives me a plan to watch and adhere to. It basically is much less painless than trying to whip up something as the day goes. If I can't eat what is already planned, I make myself go into ****** right then and add what I truly will eat so that I can insure that I do not go over calories. This does not happen often, because I try and keep the rotation as true to original plan as it makes the program fit my life.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:22 AM   #11
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Also, I don't know if you eat out much, I prefer not to... But, if you do, most online nutrition sites already have all of the fast food entered, so for instance Quiznos or Subway meals can be looked at well in advance on your journal, so to keep you on plan!
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I'd be gaining with UD's that high too. I can't go too low on UD's or I gain as well, but I need to stay between 1500-1600. I can go above on a rare UD and be ok, but I usually follow that with a lower DD to make up for it. My DD's do get to be higher now since I'm in maintenance, but in wlm, I kept them between 400-500.

Agree you should give it 2 weeks by the book, and see what happens before you give up completely.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:55 AM   #13
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Thank you so so much everyone. It feels much better letting out my frustrations.. And I've really mulled over and maybe I should give it another go. It was my fault that I didn't go by the book, I really should have!

I've been fretting over this for the entire day and I honestly can't bear to let go, although I resigned earlier on that this doesn't work for me.

I'll be better from now on! So just to confirm
I should keep my UDs no higher than allocated 1650 but not under perhaps 1500?
And DDs at 300?
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:47 AM   #14
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If those are the numbers that were calculated for you, than yes do those numbers. If not, go back and recalculate what your calories should be. The general feeling here leans towards entering the little to no excercise option whether you excercise or not, and I whole heartedly agree with this. Consistency is key. As I've often said, as little as eliminating just 200 calories from my DD put me from the no lose side to the losing side. That is how little it takes to change your results from negative to positive. It is a very delicate balance. Some of us need to adjust our UD , some our DD. Some need to tweak a little of both You are quite small and I personally don't think you can lose with 500 calorie DD. I haven't calculated for you as I don't have enough info but I'm willing to bet your UD will end up around 1,500-1,600 calories. Whichever, follow it to the letter and keep it consistent..As you can see, you have quite a few cheer leaders who think you haven't given Juddd a fair chance and should give it another go, but this time without your own personal "tweaks". I hope you will and let us know how you're doing either way. Again good luck.
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Yep. Work that plan for at least 2 weeks, and let us know how it goes.
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I wish I had advice to give! I'm wondering if you have any underlying issues as well. That can be an even bigger issue once you start to clean up your diet because your body has the ability to focus more on what it doesn't like once it's not being consistently smothered with too many calories every day. That may be something to consider.

Numbers-wise I think it's worth giving it a go on what the site calculated for you.

I also wanted to add (and I know you're tired of hearing it from me!) that I'm there with you. I have a lot to lose and it's not really happening. I've been doing this over a month and haven't gotten to my lowest weight yet. BUT I have all the other benefits that JUDDD promises aside from weight loss. I do believe it will come. I think my body is probably tweaking a whole lot of things that I can't see, and one day the weight will start to come off.

I know it STINKS to try a weight loss plan and end up gaining. I'm not minimizing that. I'm just trying to see the forest instead of that one, huge tree I keep smacking in to. I am so much healthier in so many ways....the weight loss will come. I know it will. And when I lose faith that it will I come here and read. And my JUDDD BUDDDs keep me going. Even if they don't know it because I'm just reading, not posting.

Whatever you decide to do, know that you aren't alone.
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you aren't out anything trying a serious two weeks of rigid adherence to the rotation, right? and you love the freedom!
Hope you can find what works for you.
I don't subscribe to the "just the calories" thing, it still completely matters to MY body which food choices I make in conjunction with the rotation, but we all have to make the small, incremental changes over time for our personal health journey.
I have also found that adding a full fast day on an occasional down day actually makes my body really, really happy. If you are feeling it, give it a try one day.
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I don't subscribe to the "just the calories" thing, it still completely matters to MY body which food choices I make in conjunction with the rotation, but we all have to make the small, incremental changes over time for our personal health journey.
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And agreed from me.

I do not believe that all calories are created equal. My body definitely performs differently based on what I put into it.
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I am not saying that our choices of food do not matter to our bodies and our overall health. Of course they do. I was speaking of the importance of calories strictly from the standpoint of weight loss as it pertains to this particular woe.
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I agree that our food choices affect our health but I do JUDDD strictly on the basis of calories whether they are from ice cream or lean turkey or carrot cake. Just my way of approaching the plan. I am not a LC proponent nor a primal nor a lowfat nor a high fat and so on. I just count calories. Of course broccoli calories are better for me than the goo goo cluster calories. I certainly agree with that. But I really prefer the goo goos. pitiful, aren't I?
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I agree that our food choices affect our health but I do JUDDD strictly on the basis of calories whether they are from ice cream or lean turkey or carrot cake. Just my way of approaching the plan. I am not a LC proponent nor a primal nor a lowfat nor a high fat and so on. I just count calories. Of course broccoli calories are better for me than the goo goo cluster calories. I certainly agree with that. But I really prefer the goo goos. pitiful, aren't I?
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I am not saying that our choices of food do not matter to our bodies and our overall health. Of course they do. I was speaking of the importance of calories strictly from the standpoint of weight loss as it pertains to this particular woe.
And what I'm saying is that FOR ME, even if the NUMBER of calories are the same, it will affect the scale if those calories are from carby/junky choices, vs if they are from natural healthy choices. So even with JUDDD, for me, the quality of the calories matters, not just the quantity.

I think for the most part, for most people, the number is the driving factor. But I wanted it to be out there that for some, it is about more than that.
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And what I'm saying is that FOR ME, even if the NUMBER of calories are the same, it will affect the scale if those calories are from carby/junky choices, vs if they are from natural healthy choices. So even with JUDDD, for me, the quality of the calories matters, not just the quantity.

I think for the most part, for most people, the number is the driving factor. But I wanted it to be out there that for some, it is about more than that.

I'm the same way. I assume it's because even though the WOE itself is anti-inflammatory, if I eat foods that don't encourage inflammation *in my body* I get faster results. Or something. I've just always done better on low carb. Now, with JUDDD I can eat more carbs, but if I go way overboard EVEN WITHIN MY NUMBERS I can feel it. And my body reflects it.

As I heal I suspect this won't always be the case. For now I'm walking the line and allowing the number that I can tolerate but I can't pretend that the source of my calories doesn't matter. This is still much further than I've gotten before! YAY JUDDD!
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