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Old 05-12-2012, 08:27 AM   #1
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Shaking it up. Help?

The Shake It Up thread (thanks Sophiethecat) got me thinking.I need to shake it up. It's not that JUDDD isn't working, I'm not working JUDDD properly. It's really bringing out my binge tendencies. I fast on my DD's because once I have something I just want more. Then on my UD's I keep getting really out of control (I'm talking up to and occasionally even over 3000 calories when I should be having around 1700). I do like fasting but I'm thinking I should shorten my fasting window for a while to help with the panicky "OMG I won't get to eat again until the day after tomorrow feeling". I believe that's what is bringing on the binges.
Can anyone advise me on which WOE would be best to try for a short while? I do want to return to JUDDD soon. I just need a little break to collect myself. I really don't want to gain weight. As in I don't want to go any higher than my current bounce range but I'm really concerned that this will happen.
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:43 AM   #2
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STITCH, just want to offer you for the problems you are having. Don't think I can help you much with recommending another WOE.
Your body might not be getting the nutriuents it needs from the foods you are eating, and therefore, the binge eating. I've not had that problem, so can't advise. I hope you find a solution, and are able to go on to goal. I'm sure some of the wiser JUDDD's will jump in to help you!

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maybe try piratejenny's MUDDD. I think Sophiethecat does that sometimes. Your DD is 24 hours instead of 36 and I think it goes like this:

Breakfast and lunch are UD meals and say lunch ends at 2 pm. you then fast for 4 hours and your DD starts at 6 pm that day. So from 6 pm that day to 6 pm the following day is your DD. Then you start your UD. I know I am probably confusing you but there is a thread that talks about this extensively.

Day 1
Breakfast UD
Lunch UD
fast 4 hours
Dinner DD

Day 2
Breakfast DD
Lunch DD
fast 4 hours
Dinner UD

Day 3
Breakfast UD
Lunch UD
fast 4 hours
Dinner DD

Keep repeating rotation. I tried this for a week and did lose but I think I am going to stick with JUDDD due to scheduling problems
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:14 AM   #5
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I was considering trying MUDDD but I'm worried about having and UD breakfast and lunch and then going into my DD after that because I think eating early in the day might set me off and make it much harder for me to control myself. I find it a lot easier to fast all day or fast until the evening than eat something earlier and then stop.
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Stitch, I'm sorry you're struggling.

Maybe just straight calorie-counting for a while? Keeping you in the habit of counting calories but just keeping it the same each day may help. I know it's not a very exciting WOE, but I lost a bunch of weight with just straight calorie counting.

Are there any foods that are triggering you specifically or is it binging on anything and everything? I know when I get in a binge place it doesn't matter what food is in front of me, I'll binge on it. For lots of people, carbs are a trigger, especially simple ones like sugar or white flour. Perhaps limiting or eliminating these for a while can help you get the binging under control.

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Old 05-12-2012, 09:18 AM   #7
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Have you looked at Fast-5?
Was considering it. That's kind of what I'm going to today because out of nowhere I broke my DD fast today. I mean, without thinking I just grabbed something and ate it and then ended up having about 500 cals. That has never happened to me since starting JUDDD 6 weeks ago. So I figured I'd just eat today within a 4 or 5 hour window. I don't know a huge amount about it though. Has anyone tried it? How did it work out for you?
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Luna Loca: I don't think it's any food in particular that's setting me off. Another thing I forgot to mention is that, 6 weeks into JUDDD, I'm not experiencing any appetite suppression at all. I'm absolutely starving on DD's and UD's. My first few DD's were the easiest!
And don't you worry, I won't just run away. The support here is amazing, I wouldn't have kept at it this long without everyone here and despite my struggles I've still managed to lose about 10lbs in my 6 weeks. I do want to return to JUDDD very soon, just as soon as I pull myself together. For now I just want a breather without regaining.
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I doubt it would work for you (fast-5), if your issue with up days is that you're freaking out about not being able to eat the next day so you're overeating on the up day, then what will be different about your eating window? 4 hours into it you'll think oh no I won't be allowed to eat for another 20 hours I need to eat! I found that I didn't lose weight on fast-5 because I overeate. It helped me regulate my hunger though in that I didn't experience true hunger until my late eating window, BUT it didn't help me at all about controlling my intake DURING the window. Which is pretty much the problem you're having right now, right?

It's a mental hurdle. I don't think any weight loss plan will be able to fix that for you, you're struggling because you're feeling deprived. And chances are, any plan will trigger that deprivation feeling in some form, so the trick will be to not feel deprived. I can highly recommend the book "Brain over Binge", it's helped me tremendously in that regards! And maybe try incorporating the eating window philosophy to your up days and down days. I mean I guess it's the up days that make you struggle, when you're "allowed" food. And try to not do the mindless eating, make it a habit to weigh what you eat and log it BEFORE you eat it. So maybe that "ate 500 calories without even thinking about it" would have been less of an issue, or while weighing and calculating it you would have realized that it's not worth 500 calories... what I found is that the foods I overate weren't even my favorite foods... like I'd eat a bag of cookies, but they weren't my favorite cookies. I'd have rather had a few of the really good ones than a bag of the crappy ones. Stuff like that.
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I used to do that (but it wasn't called that.) I didn't need to lose back then so I can't comment on that. But I felt GREAT and there's only so much you can gorge in 5 hours, you know?

I'm doing something similar to you because I can have those tendencies (for different reasons.) I fast on DD until at least noon. I try to fast on even UD until noon as well. That way I can kind of artificially control things a bit more.

I will say that you could consider low carb in addition to JUDDD only until you are in a better place emotionally/mentally to regulate. I know for me it's MUCH harder to binge on low carb. I don't know if that's appealing or not, but it might be worth considering.

Aside from that I don't know. I know that what I used to do if I needed to/wanted to break the fast I had a specific couple of things I could do that with. I was low carb back then too, so if I wanted to "cheat" it couldn't be for a bag of chips or a muffin or something. I would tell myself "if you truly need to eat you can have 2 eggs, or some steak, or a chicken thigh with some veggies."

Sometimes I was truly hungry and did that. Most of the time I realized there was a different reason and I didn't. But what it did was stop the anxiety of "I CAN'T EAT ANYTHING!" If I was truly hungry there was food available that wouldn't send me off the rails. If I wasn't, the anxiety was quelled.

Don't know if that helps, but no matter what I hope you stick around.
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I second the recommendation that Hazel made about the book. I haven't read it yet, but have heard good things from those who have and there was an interesting thread here about it some time ago. I'm going to look and see if I can find it. Might help you.
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The Shake It Up thread (thanks Sophiethecat) got me thinking.I need to shake it up. It's not that JUDDD isn't working, I'm not working JUDDD properly. It's really bringing out my binge tendencies. I fast on my DD's because once I have something I just want more. Then on my UD's I keep getting really out of control (I'm talking up to and occasionally even over 3000 calories when I should be having around 1700). I do like fasting but I'm thinking I should shorten my fasting window for a while to help with the panicky "OMG I won't get to eat again until the day after tomorrow feeling". I believe that's what is bringing on the binges.
Can anyone advise me on which WOE would be best to try for a short while? I do want to return to JUDDD soon. I just need a little break to collect myself. I really don't want to gain weight. As in I don't want to go any higher than my current bounce range but I'm really concerned that this will happen.
Any advice greatly appreciated.xxx
Well, first of all, you obviously know that JUDDD is just like any other plan, in that it won't work for you if you aren't doing it. And it sounds like, so far, you aren't really doing JUDDD.

It sound to me like your problems are stemming from lack of working JUDDD correctly, and a whole lot of that is actually following a plan within the plan.

You should never have to battle a panicky feeling of "OMG I won't get to eat again until the day after tomorrow". How awful is that! No wonder you're miserable and failing.

Now, I will say that many of us put off eating until somewhat later on our DDs, which does put off the 'awakening' of our appetites, but even then, there is so much you can eat to fill your belly on DDs that there is really no reason to feel hungry on those days. The only thing you are trying to do is keep calories low on those days. Not feel desperately hungry! ACK!

One HUGE step toward success on DDs is to plan your meals. As an example, say you start off doing JUDDD at 600 calorie DDs, and you decide to fast until 1:00 in the afternoon. Then you divide your 600 calories into four meals, each of 150 calories each. You can eat at 1:00, enjoy a great big refreshing 0-calorie icy slushy at about 3:30, then another 150 calorie meal at about 5:00, another 150 calorie meal at about 7:00, and a lovely snack to top off the evening (the last 150 calories) at about 8:30. Or use your own timing.

If you are wanting some ideas for 150 calorie meals, let's start a new thread about that, complete with the measurements that the ingredients should be, so that newbies, and oldies too, can get more ideas for DDs.

On Up Days, PLAN how many meals/snacks you want to eat, and PLAN on how many calories you are going to devote to each meal. For example, breakfast just a cup of coffee or tea with a bowl of fresh berries or fruit. Maybe 150 calories total. Brunch can use 250 calories. Late lunch can be another 350 calories. Late afternoon tea/snack can take another 250 calories. Allot 500 calories for supper. And another 200 for an evening snack later. There's 1700 calories and you've been eating all day long!

Or, devote 500 calories to lunch and 1200 calories to a huge supper.

You get to eat as scantily or as often as you want to, and you can eat anything in the world you want. FOREVER! Instead of thinking OMG, I won't be able to EAT again until the day after tomorrow, think, instead, OMG..... The food will never end!!!!! Because if you can learn to do JUDDD right, you will get to eat anything you want to for the rest of your life! And become slim! And aid your metabolism to burn more efficiently. And heal a whole host of poor function inside your body... some of which undoubted has contributed to overweight in the first place.

It is SO-o-o-o worth learning HOW to do JUDDD in a way that makes it easy, foolproof, dependable, and delightful.

And I'll tell you something even more wonderful than losing weight while eating fabulous food... it's that when you get to goal, you get to eat even more on your DDs, so if you've already found the foods and meals that make your DDs easy, once you get to increase that amount in maintenance... ALL of your days are going to be scrumptious! Woo Hoo!

Hang in there. It's more than worth it!
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You should never have to battle a panicky feeling of "OMG I won't get to eat again until the day after tomorrow". How awful is that! No wonder you're miserable and failing.
Maybe I misunderstood her, but I didn't get the feeling she was saying she wasn't going to eat at ALL on her down days, just not eating the stuff she'd want to eat. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings, but I like junk food... and sometimes on an up day I might eat something that I otherwise wouldn't have simply because I get the feeling "OMG I can't eat this tomorrow!", so I'll scarf an extra piece of pizza just BECAUSE. My brain, it's a work in progress... but those high calorie foods that are so bad for you but taste sooooo good, they are my kryptonite.
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Maybe I misunderstood her, but I didn't get the feeling she was saying she wasn't going to eat at ALL on her down days, just not eating the stuff she'd want to eat. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings, but I like junk food... and sometimes on an up day I might eat something that I otherwise wouldn't have simply because I get the feeling "OMG I can't eat this tomorrow!", so I'll scarf an extra piece of pizza just BECAUSE. My brain, it's a work in progress... but those high calorie foods that are so bad for you but taste sooooo good, they are my kryptonite.
I don't know... I just quoted what she wrote in her OP.

I like high cal foods a lot too! But I have plenty of DD foods that I love a lot too, so I just save them for DDs and snarf up the higher cal and higher carb goodies on my UDs. I absolutely LOVE being able to eat everything now, instead of having to live with my previous big list of *No-No* foods.

I realize that I will not be able to just *eat it all.. all the time* at this point in my life without condemning myself to spend my remaining years in an obese body. I know that I can no longer *eat at will* without wearing the fat clothes, which will be the only ones that I can fit into.

But with JUDDD, I can have some of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, and maintain a weight that I'm happy with. And since I'm no longer a *naturally* slim woman, this is the next best thing.
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I think the fasting on your DD's is part of the problem. i know when i tried fasting i was so hungry that i way overate on my UD's. For me, eating awakens my hunger too so i have found wonderful healthy smoothies really help the appetite without totally waking up the monster then i snack on foods i can just munch on in the afternoon and have some yogurt and a good dinner like a big salad or the cabbage slaw. I didnt really think the smoothies would work at first because i like to have real food but it does help. It keeps the tummy with a little in it without me getting ravenous. I make a baggie with a peeled, cup up cucumber, 10 baby carrots, and either a few snap peas or maybe half a zucchini. I put 1T apple cider vinegar, a sprinkle of sea salt and a packet of stevia in the baggie and shake it up really good and stick it in the fridge until the next day. The ACV really makes it taste wonderful and helps the hunger. I also usually take a small bowl of steamed veggies. This is usually 85g of broccoli, half a zucchini or squash and maybe a celery stalk. I steam it the night before in the microwave in either acv or coconut vinegar with some spices and take that to work with me too. I also take half a cup of greek yogurt with 1T cocoa mixed in it. This sounds like a ton of food and really it is but its very low calorie and gets me through the afternoon munchies. I have my shake in the morning. My shake is about 150 calories and i sip on it. I try to not start on it as late as i can. I usually start on it about 930 or 10. It has some almond milk, 1T protein, flax or chia seeds, pumpkin or grapefruit and a couple big handfuls of spinach. Its wonderful. I put a teaspoon of gluc to thicken it up.

I really think part of your problem might be trying to fast on DDs. Some people just cant do it. I have a very long history of eating disorder and this is what i had to do to help me with the binge monster. I also agree reading Brain over Binge. Great book!!!

Good luck in whatever you decide but maybe give JUDDD another go and try to eat on your DD's. Even if you have to eat 600 or 700 calories at first.
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Good thoughtful posts.

Agree with eating food on your DD, and maybe even allowing extra calories for a bit (around 700) to help with the feelings of being deprived.

Artificial sweeteners are a HUGE hunger stimulator for me. I never knew this until Juddd. I'd cut them out when I went primal last August, but started using more (in SF Jello, SF hot cocoa, etc) when I started JUDDD to help on DD's. But it backfired by making me so hungry! Regular sugar on an UD will do the same thing. I now use Stevia and coconut sugar almost exclusively and do not have that issue.

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What wonderful advice you have had. I love this site.

For what it's worth I'd say you need to find the meals and timings that make you feel happy and not starving on your DD. Eat real foods, not shakes, but plan every calorie ahead of time. There is tons of advice here on foods that keep you full and calm.

On UDs again you need to plan the day from the start. Make yourself eat healthy meals and then a few empty calorie extras on top. If you spend the day eating ice cream your body will be going into a DD starving for protein and vitamins. Not good.

If you work the WOE fully it tends to curb binging, or so I've found. Once you have felt real hunger on a DD or eating just for fun feels a bit - icky.

My H has real sugar addiction. One cookie and he is a mess. So he's happier without them. I'd cut out anything that makes you react with uncontrolled eating.

There is a super website called "You as Machine" and the woman who writes it said something I really took to heart "If I find a food that I can't stop eating, I won't buy it." Somme of us have a real addictive reaction to food and the ones that trigger that the most are high fat, high sugar and high salt.

When you feel the urge to eat do as they do in France and make yourself eat a green salad first. If you can't face it you know it is not food you want but a sugar rush.
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As always Pat. Dear you sound like you are in such a state of panic that you can't possibly make a clear headed decision. Think of your DD as anything else in life, most of us cannot have immediate gratification with much of anything we want. With Juddd every other day that is the case with some food. It is only every other day, that's all. Most of what we want in life we wait much longer for. If you can just tough it out, and deep down you know you can, and get through the first two or three weeks, the appetition suppression should start to kick in. As with most things you have to work at it for awhile before you get a payoff. When you started your first job you didn't get paid until you had already worked for two weeks right? If it helps, think of it like that. I do agree you should read the book about bingeing that has been recommended to you. You must decide if being at a healthy weight is a priority in your life. The more you gain and the older you get, the harder it gets. Just think what wonderful things you could be doing with all the negative energy you are putting into your obsession with food. I do really believe our bodies are the temples of our souls and the other health benefits of Juddding can't be ignored. After a short time DD can become very serene and UD can become just another day of the week where some of us have to remind ourselves that we can eat today. Going back and forth between diets is the worst thing you can do, I considered it myself once when I had a short time of no losses but I wisely listened to my Buddds and stayed the course on Juddd. And it was the correct choice many times over. You must choose your woe and then put your faith in it and in yourself. I really hope you stay with Juddd as I think you will be rewarded, but only if as Pat said, you actually DO JUDDD CORRECTLY! No tweaking , no medium days and most of all respect your calories esp on UD. Good luck I hope to see you here with us still. This is something that no one else can give you, you must give this to yourself.
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Hi and Hugs Stitch...

I hear your pain. And boy are we blessed to have this forum...so many "strangers" who care, you know?

OK...First let me say that I'm a newbie, in the sense that I'm new to JUDDD so I can't relay any true JUDDD wisdom...but I've been "fat" all my life (i.e. since 1st grade..I'm now 57)...so I'm not new to the struggles.

The thing I just want to add to all the great thoughts/advice you've gotten so far is this...keep an open mind...and expect "failure". Failure to me is a bad word. But what we feel if we "can't". Consider each step education. And we've all had subjects we struggled with. This is no different.

The thing is, Stitch, is that each of us is unique. Really. But then...not totally. What does that mean? I'm saying that the answer has to be found by us, but I also have to pay attention and learn from other people who have been successful and try...modify, if necessary...what works (or seems to work at the time) for me.

Dr. J in his book talks about drinking shakes on DD especially in the beginning. When I read that I poo-poo-ed the thought immediately. Didn't have the money...shakes won't fill me up...fake food..yada yada yada. I didn't have an open mind. I've been down so many paths of weight loss all my life...I thought I KNEW what would work and what wouldn't. Shakes. No way.

After several failing DD where I had raging headaches and felt like I was going to eat someone's arm off with my 150 calorie meals...I thought, ok...there has to be an answer...and shakes came up again in someone's reply...that they keep her satisfied. Alrighty then...what did I have to lose? Though I was SURE it wouldn't work. Guess what? They work...along with pickles for crunch. I'm less hungry with the shakes. I eat the rest of the calories in pickles (weird I know but it works for me)...see that's what I'm saying...

I do have to eat low carb too...due to diabetes (type2). So although for some people they can just count calories on UD, I do have to watch carbs too. I do understand eating a pizza and thinking...oh, tomorrow's a down day I better fill up tonight. But I trust what Dr. J and others have said (Even George Stella, Low Carb Man ) that with time they just eventually ate less and wanted healthier foods.

It's all a process, Stitch. I know weight is weight. We all want to lose and not gain. But it's just weight...and health really matters most. I used to joke with my daughter...if you have to put me on life support, just let me get down to a size 9 before you pull the plug ...but there's a kernel of truth in it. So I get buried in a size 9 pretty black dress I've always wanted to wear...what good does it do me then? If I focus on getting weight off AND getting healthy...I can be successful at one or another at any given time.

One time we (hubby and I) went out for pizza with my friend and her hubby. My friend knows that I'm "really trying to be good". So..we get the pizza...everyone takes what they want and the waitress comes back and asks if everything's ok (like they do) and my friend says, "Can you box up this pizza for us?" The waitress looked at us kinda strange but she did it. The guys grabbed pizza out of the box and somehow for me that was easier than it sitting there open in the middle of the table. My hubby understood. My friends hubby didn't care as long as he got pizza. I don't think he had a clue what was going on or why. Did I eat more calories than I probably should have? Yep. BUT...was it a "bad" night? No. I saw that my friend really cared about me. I had a great time (socialization is good for the heart!)...and I learned you can ask a waitress to box the pizza right away... and in a box at the end of the table its much less tempting for me. All good things to have learned/experienced for health and continued weight loss.

See what I'm saying is that it's a change in perspective. Just by reading this thread and learning about the modified day, now when life happens and suddenly my dear friend and her hubby want to take us out for pizza on a DD, instead of thinking...crap, I'm going to blow my DD...I can think...ok...no biggie...just try a modified...it's an idea. It might work..it might not. But it's worth a shot for those unexpected events. If I gain, well then I know it doesn't work for me. If I maintain, that's a choice I can make occasionally then if I need to.

What I sense in your post is anxiety...and feeling like you are "blowing" it or out of contol thinking about DD. When I read Dr. J's book...although he talks about the calculating of calories...he never really stressed (when you start) stressing about UD calories. He talked about how over time he just ate less and made healthier choices so he came more into the calories he SHOULD be eating. I know that calories do matter from this forum (and for me carbs) matter...but one step at a time. Maybe just focus on DD and trying different things to see what's satisfying and what's not. People have learned what triggers them. Be patient with yourself as you learn. You will find your own answers...just keep trying.

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The Shake It Up thread (thanks Sophiethecat) got me thinking.I need to shake it up. It's not that JUDDD isn't working, I'm not working JUDDD properly. It's really bringing out my binge tendencies. I fast on my DD's because once I have something I just want more. Then on my UD's I keep getting really out of control (I'm talking up to and occasionally even over 3000 calories when I should be having around 1700). I do like fasting but I'm thinking I should shorten my fasting window for a while to help with the panicky "OMG I won't get to eat again until the day after tomorrow feeling". I believe that's what is bringing on the binges.
Can anyone advise me on which WOE would be best to try for a short while? I do want to return to JUDDD soon. I just need a little break to collect myself. I really don't want to gain weight. As in I don't want to go any higher than my current bounce range but I'm really concerned that this will happen.
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You've gotten sound advice from many who've been on JUDDD longer than I. So many things enter into a weight loss plan and it's different for every person. My hope is a part of what I've gone through will help.

I plan my meals and snacks for each DD (UDs too) and if I don't need it I move it down on the list for a "maybe later item". This helps me feel less deprived. Often at the end of the day I cross them off because I didn't have them. The "but I could have them" keeps me going to the end of the day, keeping me on track. I often have a protein shake to start the day which helps me get further into the day without eating. Others have coconut oil. Once I start solid foods, I usually get hungry.

It may be useful to see someone about the deprivation feelings. What is it you're really afraid of, where did it come from, what can you do about resolving the issue or the feelings. I saw someone before I started back on my weight loss journey in January. I felt I had to understand why I kept sabotaging myself. Why, even after weight loss surgery, I still couldn't keep the weight off (I lost 175 lbs and bounced 70 before taking a look at what was really going on). It helped me immeasurably.

Reading Brain Over Binge or The Beck Diet Solution will give you a place to start because they bring up the feelings causing the deprivation. Scary stuff, but once you're on the other side, the world looks very different...and manageable.

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maybe try piratejenny's MUDDD. I think Sophiethecat does that sometimes. Your DD is 24 hours instead of 36 and I think it goes like this:

Breakfast and lunch are UD meals and say lunch ends at 2 pm. you then fast for 4 hours and your DD starts at 6 pm that day. So from 6 pm that day to 6 pm the following day is your DD. Then you start your UD. I know I am probably confusing you but there is a thread that talks about this extensively.

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Day 2
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Lunch DD
fast 4 hours
Dinner UD

Day 3
Breakfast UD
Lunch UD
fast 4 hours
Dinner DD

Keep repeating rotation. I tried this for a week and did lose but I think I am going to stick with JUDDD due to scheduling problems
This has worked really well for me this last week. I have a really hard time with binging, and past the first week, JUDDD got more difficult rather than easier. For me, breaking it up like this has removed the temptation to binge in the evening hours, which are my worst time.

Here's how it works for me: My cut-off time is noon, so on the days that I have UD calories in the morning and DD calories in the evenings, I don't eat all morning (which is my normal rhythm - coffee is more than enough for me), and then I eat the last of my UD calories right before noon. I'm able, then, to hold out until dinner, when I always make sure I have lots of salad - I don't even measure the salad, just the dressing - and I eat a reasonable amount of whatever else I've made for dinner. I only have a couple of hours between dinner and bed, then a large portion of my DD hours are spent sleeping and then drinking my usual coffee.

I agree that JUDDD has to be given a chance to work, but I was white knuckling it too much, and it went from being a pleasure to being a source of disappointment in myself, so this has helped me tremendously.
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Hi, sorry I didn't get back sooner. I haven't run away. I've been here reading everyday, just not posting. I went a little of the rails for a couple of days and then decided I did missed JUDDD. I just need to be smarter about it. I was forcing myself to fast on DD's and that wasn't helping on my UD's so I've had two DD's where I ate, unfortunately I'm not perfect at it yet and was kind of in binge mode but I managed two 700-800 calorie DD's. I'll work on lowering those calories a lot. This is helping a lot on my UD's, my appetite is smaller and I've dropped my calories by hundreds. I'm not doing perfectly just yet but improving lots.
My weight has gone up about 5lbs. I know this week hasn't been very good but I think some of it has to do with constipation. I've mentioned before that I haven't been very regular at all since I was a child. Recently I tried magnesium and psyllium. Neither helped much at all. I went to my doctor on Tuesday who prescribed me Movicol. It had already been several days since my last BM and the Movicol hasn't worked its magic yet. I'm just feeling more and more bunged up the more I take. Hopefully I will have some relief soon. Anyway, I just wanted to update you all and say thanks for your responses. I'm just going to keep trying to improve my JUDDDing.xxx
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stitch, how much magnesium? It takes me about 700 mg of mag citrate before things start moving. you may want to look at your dosage.
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I was taking 750g- 1000g. It did work sometimes but I would not pass much at all and it would be very watery. I mentioned it to my doctor when I was there, she didn't think it was such a good idea. Anyway, the Movicol is both bulk forming and osmotic so I think when it does kick in it will work very well. Apparently it retrains the bowel which I think is what I need.
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oh yeah. watery when not much is passing is no bueno. I hope this works for you!
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Thank you. She said its a matter of figuring out my dosage. I have to keep increasing it until something happens and that I'll prob end up with diarrhea and then have to scale it back. I have to work for the next 4 days! I'm pretty nervous.
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