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Old 05-09-2012, 04:02 PM   #1
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Timing of meals question

I read that dd must be 24 hours. If I wait til evening to eat my down day food do I need to wait til that exact time the next day do eat my up day food? How does everyone do this?
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Old 05-09-2012, 04:05 PM   #2
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Your DD starts whenever you're finished eating on your UD (say 7:00 p.m.) and continues through the following day and night, until your first meal on your next UD (say 7:00 a.m.). A DD should be around 36 hours, but most of us don't worry about it, as long as there are two nights between UDs.

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I was kind of wondering about this. What if your DD goes on longer than 36 hours? Isn't that bad? I've been trying to eat my last bit of food late on UD's because I don't like to eat early. So I try to eat something at around 11pm so I don't have to eat till 11am my next UD because I'm worried about going into starvation mode. Do I need to be so worried about this?
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. It can happen, but that's something to address when and IF it does. Every person has a different length of time before the stress response gets to be too much. The "average" is 40 hours, but it may be 36 for me and 44 for you. Try not to overthink it. The beauty of this plan is in its ease. HTH.
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Somewhere around 40 hours after you begin your very low calorie/fasting DD your body slips into the dreaded starvation mode and slows metabolism waaay down. So, to maintain energy and avoid putting bad stress on your body, it is important to begin eating on UD in a time shorter than 40 hours. Dr J chose 36 hours. I think that is a safe average that applies to most metabolisms.

I used to just write about this. But I really slowed my weight loss down in March and April by not noticing my DD low cal times were getting longer and longer. Now that I am eating a good sized lunch on UD, my weight loss rate has increased and I am a believer.
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Somewhere around 40 hours after you begin your very low calorie/fasting DD your body slips into the dreaded starvation mode and slows metabolism waaay down. So, to maintain energy and avoid putting bad stress on your body, it is important to begin eating on UD in a time shorter than 40 hours. Dr J chose 36 hours. I think that is a safe average that applies to most metabolisms.

I used to just write about this. But I really slowed my weight loss down in March and April by not noticing my DD low cal times were getting longer and longer. Now that I am eating a good sized lunch on UD, my weight loss rate has increased and I am a believer.
I think I'm finding this out too. Usually I wait until late in the day to eat both days. Yesterday was an UD and I made it a point to have a carton of Muscle Milk right after my morning workout. I just expected a bounce up on the scale today because when I work out, I usually get one. Nope! Scale down after my UD. Wonder if it had anything to do with not letting the DD fast go on longer than 40 hours? I actually thought about it and on my last UD I remember exactly when I last ate. It was after midnight, almost 1 a.m. because I could not sleep and I was eating potato chips and beer while I watched Storage Wars (recorded) and casting discipline to the wind!!! (Sunday night, end of weekend craziness). So, having the Muscle Milk to break my fast at about 10 a.m. was perfect! 35 hours.
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I'm slow on the uptake I guess. Still confused. If I eat my dd meal at 11pm on a Monday. If I wait 36 hours it'll be 11am on Wednesday before I can eat my ud? I'll be stark raving mad with hunger! LOL
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OK, could someone explain to me how many hours I'm getting from my DD to the UD? I just can't do the math on this and understand it!

I usually stop eating about 11 pm on both days. On DDs I usually start my day eating between 12 and 2. Then again I stop eating at 11 pm. On UDs I will start to eat earlier, usually about 10 or 11 am. Again I eat up to 11 pm. Do we count the hours starting with the first DD meal and then end it with the first UD meal?

Can someone figure out (and explain to me how to figure out) how many hours I'm "fasting" on my DD?

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OK, could someone explain to me how many hours I'm getting from my DD to the UD? I just can't do the math on this and understand it!

I usually stop eating about 11 pm on both days. On DDs I usually start my day eating between 12 and 2. Then again I stop eating at 11 pm. On UDs I will start to eat earlier, usually about 10 or 11 am. Again I eat up to 11 pm. Do we count the hours starting with the first DD meal and then end it with the first UD meal?

Can someone figure out (and explain to me how to figure out) how many hours I'm "fasting" on my DD?

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OK... You stop eating on your UD at 11:00 pm. It doesn't matter when you eat your few calories on the following DD... only that you won't start your next UD until about 10:00 am on that day.

So you will have your *fasting* period last from 11:00 pm one UD until 10:00 am of the following UD. That is a spread of 35 hours. Within that 35-hour fasting period, your DD calories fell, and were consumed.
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Beeb: Take my example. Originally I was thinking I ate at 11 p.m. Sunday, but it was later. BUT!!!

Say I ate my last UD food at 11 p.m. Sunday. Fast forward to 11 p.m. Monday. Monday was a DD and I had my DD calories. 11 p.m. Monday = 24 hours.

Fast forward to Tuesday morning. 11 a.m. Tuesday morning is 12 more hours. Add 24 plus 12 = 36. If I drank my protein shake at 10 a.m. Tuesday morning (UD) that would be 35 hours. Make sense?

Izzy: You must be thinking that you don't get to eat anything on your DDs. NOT SO!!! You can choose to eat 383 calories on a DD and that would be 20%. Or, just take the 500 calorie number. OR if you are just starting out and don't think you can even go as low as 500, go back to the calculator, use the pull down menu and go all the way up to 45% and that is still WLM. You can start there and work your way down.

Lots of people start at 35% in the beginning.

Get it?? Anything less than 50% is still Weight Loss Mode. 50% is considered maintenance. If your UD calories are around 2000, 50% would be 1000.

Tell me if you need more clarity, but IHTH!
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OK... You stop eating on your UD at 11:00 pm. It doesn't matter when you eat your few calories on the following DD... only that you won't start your next UD until about 10:00 am on that day.

So you will have your *fasting* period last from 11:00 pm one UD until 10:00 am of the following UD. That is a spread of 35 hours. Within that 35-hour fasting period, your DD calories fell, and were consumed.
Great minds think alike! We were posting at the same time, Pat!
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I think I'm getting it. At first I thought I had to wait 36 without eating between up and down days. It only counts for up days right? Timing doesn't really matter for down days. As long as there is 36 hours from the time I end one up day until I start the next up day?
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I think I'm getting it. At first I thought I had to wait 36 without eating between up and down days. It only counts for up days right? Timing doesn't really matter for down days. As long as there is 36 hours from the time I end one up day until I start the next up day?

You got it!!! As you read around the forum, you will find that some do better if they eat early in the day on a DD and have a good breakfast that will hold them for a long time.

Some people do better on protein -- they eat eggs or have an egg white omelet with lots of low cal protein and use cooking spray to save calories.

Some do better with oat groats or a nice bowl of oatmeal.

Check out the DD food porn or DD menus thread for ideas.

There is a thread called "what are you eating today?" and some people actually post their menus. Skip over the UD ones if it's a DD because they can be tempting!!!

I'll bet Pat could share an example of a very satisfying DD, B-L-D. She's gooooooood at this!
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I think I'm getting it. At first I thought I had to wait 36 without eating between up and down days. It only counts for up days right? Timing doesn't really matter for down days. As long as there is 36 hours from the time I end one up day until I start the next up day?
If you don't worry about when you eat your meals on either your Up or Down Days, I expect it will, never-the-less, work out about right.

From the time you wake up on an Up Day until you go to bed that night.. is your Up Day. Eat your UD calories within that huge time frame.

When you wake up the next day, it is a Down Day until you go to bed that evening. Eat your DD calories within that time frame.

And then, when you wake up on the following morning, it's your next UD. And you just continue this rotation.

Don't fret that *36 hour* thing at this time. That is only a thoughtful spread of hours between the end of your eating on one UD until your have your first meal on the following UD. You will not only have all of the daylight hours of your DD in between these two UDs... you will have the nighttime hours that precede your DD and that follow your DD to count as part of that low-calorie *fasting* period, and usually that comes in at about a 36-hour spread, give or take an hour or two either way. No big deal. Don't worry about it at all at this time.
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Forgot to say.....some people, like me for instance, find that if we eat early in the day it triggers our appetite and we have a tough time sticking to DD calories.

Personally, I drink coffee with half and half every morning. About 3 cups usually. Then I drink iced green tea, or water. Or, I just started recently to drink iced water with fresh lemon squeezed in. Tonight someone told me about the benefits of drinking cold water with a tablespoon of ACV. Trying it right now and loving it!

So, on a DD I just hold off eating until I'm seriously hungry. Not "head" hungry or emotionally hungry, but really hungry.

Sometimes it's at noon, 1 or 2 p.m. At that time I'll have a cup of Greek yogurt (plain, nonfat) or hard boiled eggs or a piece of tilapia.

A little protein goes a long way with me. After that I'm usually good for the day, but if I'm hungry at dinner time, I'll make a salad w/ ACV and EVOO and some fish or chicken or a slice of beef.

Or, mid afternoon I make Hershey's hot chocolate (SF, FF) and stir in one teaspoon of extra virgin coconut oil. It really satisfies me and takes away my hunger.

Anyway, you will figure it out!

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From the time you wake up on an Up Day until you go to bed that night.. is your Up Day. Eat your UD calories within that huge time frame.

When you wake up the next day, it is a Down Day until you go to bed that evening. Eat your DD calories within that time frame.

Don't fret that *36 hour* thing at this time.
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I am soo glad someone asked a question about the 36 hr fast. I was wondering the same thing.


Ok to make it really simple... If I eat breakfast on UD and lunch on DD is that ok?

Or to get more wt loss should I start both days at lunch time for meals? The hour thing is just too confusing. If anyone can just tell me what time of day I should start eating on what day that would be great! I generally stop eating every day by 8pm.
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I am soo glad someone asked a question about the 36 hr fast. I was wondering the same thing.


Ok to make it really simple... If I eat breakfast on UD and lunch on DD is that ok?

Or to get more wt loss should I start both days at lunch time for meals? The hour thing is just too confusing. If anyone can just tell me what time of day I should start eating on what day that would be great! I generally stop eating every day by 8pm.
To make it the most simple, if you stop eating at 8:00 p.m. on your UD, eat whatever time you want on your DD (it really doesn't matter at all since you're eating so few calories), then have breakfast at 8:00 a.m. on your next UD.
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Egads, I've never worried about all this! I just eat alot one day and not alot the next and don't worry about the hours between. On a DD, I wait until the afternoon before having any food. Just coffee with a little cream till then.
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I thought 'starvation' mode didn't hit until around 48 hours. Is there somewhere that this is defined? I usually don't eat past 7 p.m. So on my UD I'm done by 7 p.m. I have my DD then on my UD I don't eat until after my morning workout which is usually somewhere around 10-11 a.m. So that's 39-40 hours.
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When starvation mode hits differs by individual metabolism/health. Several studies I have read put the average at about 40 hours. I think Dr J chose 36 hours to bracket for people who get there fast.

On UD1 I started eating about 6 PM and stopped about 8 PM. The next day, DD, I ate about 500 calories (or less). The next day, UD2, I ate about 200 calories during the day, then had my big dinner at 6 PM.

From 8 PM on UD1 until 6 PM on UD2 (46 hours) I had about 700 calories. And I stalled. And I lost NSVs.

Now that I am eating about a third of my UD calories at brunch, I am losing very, very nicely and the NSVs are back.
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