Non-losers & slow-losers Chats - Page 13

WJS · 09-13-2012, 12:35 PM

Vanilla latte, I can only imagine what you must have gone through not losing any weight all that time and following the diet. I am not losing any weight but it is my own fault for going over on UD's. It would be interesting to know if your problem is in fact as you said not eating enough on UD's.

In any case CONGRATULATIONS on your loss, that is a big one! Perhaps things are starting to turn around, I will keep my fingers crossed for you.

gotsomeold · 09-14-2012, 06:02 AM

Vanilla, that sounds like a great plan. Especially the part about just do the best you can before and during vaycay. Of course, any plan that includes vacation is a great plan!

You raise a good and very thought-provoking question when you consider where your calories should be. You might be showing us that, although the doctor says the trauma is over, the scars have formed, and the body is healed, the body itself might not agree - true and complete healing might take a lot longer than the medical community can perceive.

In case I forget to say it later, have a great vaycay!

vanilla_latte · 09-14-2012, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratejenny

Oh, yay!!! The Whoosh Fairy visited you!!!

PS: Hey, we all need a place to whine sometimes. I'd rather hear you whining than not hear from you at all!

Now that's sweet, and probably won't be a problem.

I whooshed back UP this morning, but at least 4 ozs. less than before.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlinggirl

Nila

and

Please Keep whining here! That is really what we are here for!! We cant just post happy things.. and losses all the time.. Thats not really how any plan works.. So just come here, and get the support you need when you need it the most!!

Love you girl~

I thought of you this morning. I so want to have the success you and Dawn are having. I'm glad YOU didn't stay gone long and I appreciate venting permission!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunday

Backatcha, girlfriend.

WJS and Nancy - posted before I saw your posts! It was interesting when I tracked my UD cals and found I was a few hundred under. Whodathunk - me needing to eat!! Nancy, my DH seriously thinks that's the case about my body not being completely healed enough yet. And, according to the HS site, it takes 6 months to a year to completely heal. I'm 12 weeks out, so that may very well be the case. Oh, and thanks, I hope with everything going on, we'll be safe on our vaycay!

Love you beautiful ladies!

Kissa · 09-14-2012, 10:23 AM

Enjoy a wonderful, wonderful vacation Vanilla. And work on healing that body.

Dottie · 09-15-2012, 07:32 AM

I'm hoping the fact that I'm freezing today is a sign of an upcoming whoosh and not me getting sick!

Kissa · 09-15-2012, 01:44 PM

Fingers crossed.

piratejenny · 09-15-2012, 02:07 PM

Okay, I got my "old" meds on Thursday and I'm doing this "Diabetes Miracle" thing (sort-kinda; I don't have the book yet, but there's a lot of info online).

Still a long way from my low a couple months ago, but last week I weighed over 276 a few times (average for the week: 275.8), and yesterday & today I was 273.6. Earlier in the week, I had some 275s and 274s, so this week's average probably won't be mind-blowing, but it's a relief to be under 275.

And my blood sugar this morning was 97--it's NEVER under 112, and usually closer to 120! 97 is pretty awesome for me!!!

adillenal · 09-15-2012, 02:54 PM

Great news PJ. Keep it up.

sunday · 09-15-2012, 04:22 PM

Wonderful to hear PJ!

Nilla! I hope your vacay is fabulous!!!

Joyjoy · 09-16-2012, 05:46 AM

Yay for PJ!!!!!!!!!

And happy travels,'Nilla Killa.

piratejenny · 09-16-2012, 08:13 AM

Thank you, thank you!

Today's weight: 273.8; weekly average: 274.0
So I'm calling that a 1.8lb loss this week!

(Gotta do that 3 more times to get back to my 268.6 average at the end of June.

UGGGGGHHHH what happpened?!!!

)

I think TOM is right around the corner.
So who knows what this week will bring!

Kissa · 09-16-2012, 11:31 AM

I say a little prayer for you every evening when I take my DE, "green" stuff and Magnesium.

Dottie, watching for your whoosh....

gotitnow · 09-16-2012, 03:09 PM

So happy for you PJ and pray it will continue! You are a sweetie heart that sure deserves it!

Phyl

piratejenny · 09-16-2012, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kissa

I say a little prayer for you every evening when I take my DE, "green" stuff and Magnesium.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotitnow

So happy for you PJ and pray it will continue! You are a sweetie heart that sure deserves it!

Phyl

Aw, y'all are so sweet!!!

I don't know how to thank you...how about a pic of my darling Hobbes?

gotsomeold · 09-17-2012, 01:59 AM

The mighty hunter! Love it!

Kissa · 09-17-2012, 06:05 AM

Hobbes was you little rescue kittie from the neighbours, right? Great shot.

piratejenny · 09-17-2012, 06:58 AM

Yes, he's the one who wouldn't poop!
Everything's fine now.

Nancy...he's still trying to catch that tail. One of these days!!!

Kissa · 09-17-2012, 10:21 AM

So happy he is thriving.

gotitnow · 09-17-2012, 02:10 PM

Aww...PJ...he's pwwwecious! I have a dog now after years of cats. Love them all, but secretly still sort of favor cats.

Phyl

Dottie · 09-19-2012, 08:35 AM

I was following the Nutritional Ketosis thread, they're very interesting!
Someone had said juddd (probably) couldn't be done that way, and well you know me, that's a gauntlet thrown!

So I am attempting to do juddd with high fat/lower protein/very low carb to see how it goes.
I did figure I would have to increase my DD cals to 750 to work in additional fat (coconut oil, olive oil or butter) to get the ratio/balance correct.
I'm going to try it a full week then see how it's progressed and if it's possible to do juddd in a ketogenic state.
For the record: I tested 2 days ago (got a free meter and 10 strips) and was 0.4 according to the meter. Today was 0.8, so getting into the range they suggest which is 1.0-3.0 on the meter.
I also ordered another meter to do a double check because the blood sugar reading on the nova max meter was way way off from both my other blood sugar meters (a truetest and a freestyle light).
If I can do a comparison between the same model/brand, it will be interesting to see if they're calibrated the same way.

piratejenny · 09-19-2012, 08:50 AM

Quote:

well you know me, that's a gauntlet thrown!

GO GET 'EM, DOTTIE!!!

Hey, we keep saying that JUDDD can be done with just about any other WOE, so why not NK?

Have you been reading Jimmy Moore's blog about his results with NK? It sounds like it's really working for him.

Dottie · 09-19-2012, 08:57 AM

I have read a little of it and I do think that JUDDD can fit in with their ratios very well IF you're not completely stuck on the 500cal dd. You could, I suppose, do with just 3-4oz of protein and the rest of the 400cals in fat, get the correct ratio that way, but I'm afraid (for me) that would keep me nausious lol.
So by adding just 1-2T fat, keeping my low-carb veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, romaine, cucumbers) and my 6oz lean protein, I still get the correct ratio of protein/fat/carbs within that 750 calories and I was completely satisfied with the food yesterday, no hunger issues at all.

adillenal · 09-19-2012, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dottie

I have read a little of it and I do think that JUDDD can fit in with their ratios very well IF you're not completely stuck on the 500cal dd. You could, I suppose, do with just 3-4oz of protein and the rest of the 400cals in fat, get the correct ratio that way, but I'm afraid (for me) that would keep me nausious lol.
So by adding just 1-2T fat, keeping my low-carb veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, romaine, cucumbers) and my 6oz lean protein, I still get the correct ratio of protein/fat/carbs within that 750 calories and I was completely satisfied with the food yesterday, no hunger issues at all.

Dottie -
My DD menu is close (I think) to the ratios
Calories 472
B - 2 eggs cooked in 1/2 T coconut oil, coffee with 1 T HWC
L - HB egg
D - HB egg
75% fat
2 % carbs
23% protein

Now I will really have to revamp my UD's to get those ratios everyday. Might be interesting to see if it will help me drop to goal faster than 1 pound per month.

Dottie · 09-19-2012, 09:20 AM

Adi that's a great menu for it from what I'm reading!

adillenal · 09-19-2012, 09:37 AM

I have played in ****** and I now have an UD menu for today that is 79% fat, 5 % carbs and 16% protein. Actually looks a lot like a menu I used to eat a lot of way back in 2003 when I lost weight before.
Think I will play along with Dottie and just see if it can be done.

vilanteira · 09-19-2012, 12:08 PM

I had never heard of Nutritional Ketosis (so thanks for mentioning it, Dottie), and I'm fascinated. I'm in maintenance and not looking for weight loss, but I had noticed since earlier this year that my protein intake kept creeping higher and higher on JUDDD compared to when I ate just vlc before JUDDD. I can't really increase carbs on JUDDD that much due to health reasons, so instead my protein levels kept increasing. I've been wanting to lower my protein intake and up my fat a lot more for a while now, and after reading a bit on NK, it seems like something I can try to work with, so I will also be joining you.

Dottie · 09-19-2012, 12:24 PM

Great! The more the merrier

I've planned a few down days and I'm probably going to shoot for 750 cals BUT counting the coconut oil (which I have always used and never counted) just for the tracker to get the right ratio. So around 630 cals not counting that, which is right around where I settle most DD's anyway

piratejenny · 09-20-2012, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratejenny

Today's weight: 273.8; weekly average: 274.0
So I'm calling that a 1.8lb loss this week!

.............
I think TOM is right around the corner.
So who knows what this week will bring!

TOM *was* right around the corner, but he should be gone by tomorrow...my weight bounced up for a couple days, but today was 273.6...down a little tiny bit from pre-TOM. (cautious

)
(If the next few days are good, scale-wise, I might even keep those TOM days out of my weekly average. Shhh!!! Don't tell anyone!!!

)

I got my "Diabetes Miracle" book yesterday, and turns out I wasn't doing the plan quite right. The days I got those amazing BG readings, I had done more of a "Step 2" snack the night before...but I had been experimenting, so I'm glad to know that it will probably work at some point.

I'm calling yesterday my official start day.

How's everybody doing?

piratejenny · 09-22-2012, 08:00 AM

Yesterday was 272.4, which I hadn't seen since Sept 1st; and today was 271.0!!!
I haven't been anywhere near that there since Aug 12th,
so it seems like *real* progress!

Kissa · 09-22-2012, 02:27 PM

WTG PJ. I am so glad you are seeing the scale drop again.

09-14-2012, 06:02 AM	#362
gotsomeold Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Asheville, NC / Marietta, Ga Posts: 3,287 Gallery: gotsomeold Stats: 175/127.6/GOAL at 128, size six fits! 5'4, 60yo WOE: JUDDD, PHD Start Date: LC/EFGT - 9/15/11, JUDDD - 1/1/12	Vanilla, that sounds like a great plan. Especially the part about just do the best you can before and during vaycay. Of course, any plan that includes vacation is a great plan! You raise a good and very thought-provoking question when you consider where your calories should be. You might be showing us that, although the doctor says the trauma is over, the scars have formed, and the body is healed, the body itself might not agree - true and complete healing might take a lot longer than the medical community can perceive. In case I forget to say it later, have a great vaycay! __________________ - Nancy GOAL 10/3/12 Still at goal 2/6/13 JUDDD cares about calories. JUDDD does not care what you eat. Your body probably does. Combining JUDDD rotations with PHD foods got me to goal with greatly improved health (and a drive to boogie-boogie-boogie all night long).

09-15-2012, 02:07 PM	#367
piratejenny Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,688 Gallery: piratejenny Stats: 293/285/<160 (5'7") WOE: LC/JUDDD/Fast5/Diabetes Miracle 2010-12 Start Date: 2013: IDK!	Okay, I got my "old" meds on Thursday and I'm doing this "Diabetes Miracle" thing (sort-kinda; I don't have the book yet, but there's a lot of info online). Still a long way from my low a couple months ago, but last week I weighed over 276 a few times (average for the week: 275.8), and yesterday & today I was 273.6. Earlier in the week, I had some 275s and 274s, so this week's average probably won't be mind-blowing, but it's a relief to be under 275. And my blood sugar this morning was 97--it's NEVER under 112, and usually closer to 120! 97 is pretty awesome for me!!! __________________ "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast." --Ace Rimmer "Really, how is eating a piece of cake bad? Being bad is murdering someone. That's bad. Don't do that." --Sarah Michelle Gellar **************************************** Last edited by piratejenny; 09-15-2012 at 02:28 PM.. Reason: grammar

09-19-2012, 08:35 AM	#380
Dottie Administrator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: S.E. Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 68,569 Gallery: Dottie WOE: JUDDD calorie cycling plan	I was following the Nutritional Ketosis thread, they're very interesting! Someone had said juddd (probably) couldn't be done that way, and well you know me, that's a gauntlet thrown! So I am attempting to do juddd with high fat/lower protein/very low carb to see how it goes. I did figure I would have to increase my DD cals to 750 to work in additional fat (coconut oil, olive oil or butter) to get the ratio/balance correct. I'm going to try it a full week then see how it's progressed and if it's possible to do juddd in a ketogenic state. For the record: I tested 2 days ago (got a free meter and 10 strips) and was 0.4 according to the meter. Today was 0.8, so getting into the range they suggest which is 1.0-3.0 on the meter. I also ordered another meter to do a double check because the blood sugar reading on the nova max meter was way way off from both my other blood sugar meters (a truetest and a freestyle light). If I can do a comparison between the same model/brand, it will be interesting to see if they're calibrated the same way. __________________ https://www.supertracker.usda.gov/default.aspx <--FDA tracking tools http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ <--FDA nutritional counts http://www.thedailyplate.com/ <-- food and exercise tracking http://www.onlineconversion.com/ <-- cooking and other conversions Need to contact LCF? http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/contact.html

09-19-2012, 12:08 PM	#386
vilanteira Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,068 Gallery: vilanteira Stats: in maintenance WOE: juddd/lower carb Start Date: low carb: 2008, juddd: 10/24/11	I had never heard of Nutritional Ketosis (so thanks for mentioning it, Dottie), and I'm fascinated. I'm in maintenance and not looking for weight loss, but I had noticed since earlier this year that my protein intake kept creeping higher and higher on JUDDD compared to when I ate just vlc before JUDDD. I can't really increase carbs on JUDDD that much due to health reasons, so instead my protein levels kept increasing. I've been wanting to lower my protein intake and up my fat a lot more for a while now, and after reading a bit on NK, it seems like something I can try to work with, so I will also be joining you. __________________ * wheat/gluten-free * whole foods and minimal refined sugar/carbs * goal reached on 7/2/2012 Last edited by vilanteira; 09-19-2012 at 12:10 PM..

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09-13-2012, 12:35 PM	#361
WJS Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: London and SW France Posts: 81 Gallery: WJS Stats: 165/145/125 Height 5.5" WOE: Dukan now JUDDD Start Date: August 27, 2012	Vanilla latte, I can only imagine what you must have gone through not losing any weight all that time and following the diet. I am not losing any weight but it is my own fault for going over on UD's. It would be interesting to know if your problem is in fact as you said not eating enough on UD's. In any case CONGRATULATIONS on your loss, that is a big one! Perhaps things are starting to turn around, I will keep my fingers crossed for you.

09-14-2012, 10:23 AM	#364
Kissa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 16,464 Gallery: Kissa Stats: 184/124/126 5'3" Age 65 WOE: JUDDD/5:2 Start Date: 2001 Atkins -50 2011 JUDDD - 10	Enjoy a wonderful, wonderful vacation Vanilla. And work on healing that body.

09-15-2012, 07:32 AM	#365
Dottie Administrator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: S.E. Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 68,569 Gallery: Dottie WOE: JUDDD calorie cycling plan	I'm hoping the fact that I'm freezing today is a sign of an upcoming whoosh and not me getting sick!

09-15-2012, 01:44 PM	#366
Kissa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 16,464 Gallery: Kissa Stats: 184/124/126 5'3" Age 65 WOE: JUDDD/5:2 Start Date: 2001 Atkins -50 2011 JUDDD - 10	Fingers crossed.

09-15-2012, 02:54 PM	#368
adillenal Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 7,117 Gallery: adillenal	Great news PJ. Keep it up.

09-15-2012, 04:22 PM	#369
sunday Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Heartland- smack dab in the middle Posts: 4,530 Gallery: sunday Stats: 225/145/ ... WOE: Perfect Health Diet- 16hr Daily Fast Start Date: JUDDD - 2/01/12 Began at 200, Goal 130	Wonderful to hear PJ! Nilla! I hope your vacay is fabulous!!!

09-16-2012, 05:46 AM	#370
Joyjoy Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,690 Gallery: Joyjoy Stats: 150?/134/136 5'8" 50 yo WOE: JUDDD Start Date: 4-19-12	Yay for PJ!!!!!!!!! And happy travels,'Nilla Killa.

09-16-2012, 08:13 AM	#371
piratejenny Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,688 Gallery: piratejenny Stats: 293/285/<160 (5'7") WOE: LC/JUDDD/Fast5/Diabetes Miracle 2010-12 Start Date: 2013: IDK!	Thank you, thank you! Today's weight: 273.8; weekly average: 274.0 So I'm calling that a 1.8lb loss this week! (Gotta do that 3 more times to get back to my 268.6 average at the end of June. UGGGGGHHHH what happpened?!!! ) I think TOM is right around the corner. So who knows what this week will bring!

09-16-2012, 11:31 AM	#372
Kissa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 16,464 Gallery: Kissa Stats: 184/124/126 5'3" Age 65 WOE: JUDDD/5:2 Start Date: 2001 Atkins -50 2011 JUDDD - 10	I say a little prayer for you every evening when I take my DE, "green" stuff and Magnesium. Dottie, watching for your whoosh....

09-16-2012, 03:09 PM	#373
gotitnow Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 820 Gallery: gotitnow WOE: JUDDD	So happy for you PJ and pray it will continue! You are a sweetie heart that sure deserves it! Phyl

09-17-2012, 01:59 AM	#375
gotsomeold Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Asheville, NC / Marietta, Ga Posts: 3,287 Gallery: gotsomeold Stats: 175/127.6/GOAL at 128, size six fits! 5'4, 60yo WOE: JUDDD, PHD Start Date: LC/EFGT - 9/15/11, JUDDD - 1/1/12	The mighty hunter! Love it!

09-17-2012, 06:05 AM	#376
Kissa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 16,464 Gallery: Kissa Stats: 184/124/126 5'3" Age 65 WOE: JUDDD/5:2 Start Date: 2001 Atkins -50 2011 JUDDD - 10	Hobbes was you little rescue kittie from the neighbours, right? Great shot.

09-17-2012, 06:58 AM	#377
piratejenny Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,688 Gallery: piratejenny Stats: 293/285/<160 (5'7") WOE: LC/JUDDD/Fast5/Diabetes Miracle 2010-12 Start Date: 2013: IDK!	Yes, he's the one who wouldn't poop! Everything's fine now. Nancy...he's still trying to catch that tail. One of these days!!!

09-17-2012, 10:21 AM	#378
Kissa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 16,464 Gallery: Kissa Stats: 184/124/126 5'3" Age 65 WOE: JUDDD/5:2 Start Date: 2001 Atkins -50 2011 JUDDD - 10	So happy he is thriving.

09-17-2012, 02:10 PM	#379
gotitnow Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 820 Gallery: gotitnow WOE: JUDDD	Aww...PJ...he's pwwwecious! I have a dog now after years of cats. Love them all, but secretly still sort of favor cats. Phyl

09-19-2012, 08:57 AM	#382
Dottie Administrator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: S.E. Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 68,569 Gallery: Dottie WOE: JUDDD calorie cycling plan	I have read a little of it and I do think that JUDDD can fit in with their ratios very well IF you're not completely stuck on the 500cal dd. You could, I suppose, do with just 3-4oz of protein and the rest of the 400cals in fat, get the correct ratio that way, but I'm afraid (for me) that would keep me nausious lol. So by adding just 1-2T fat, keeping my low-carb veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, romaine, cucumbers) and my 6oz lean protein, I still get the correct ratio of protein/fat/carbs within that 750 calories and I was completely satisfied with the food yesterday, no hunger issues at all.

09-19-2012, 09:20 AM	#384
Dottie Administrator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: S.E. Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 68,569 Gallery: Dottie WOE: JUDDD calorie cycling plan	Adi that's a great menu for it from what I'm reading!

09-19-2012, 09:37 AM	#385
adillenal Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 7,117 Gallery: adillenal	I have played in ****** and I now have an UD menu for today that is 79% fat, 5 % carbs and 16% protein. Actually looks a lot like a menu I used to eat a lot of way back in 2003 when I lost weight before. Think I will play along with Dottie and just see if it can be done.

09-19-2012, 12:24 PM	#387
Dottie Administrator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: S.E. Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 68,569 Gallery: Dottie WOE: JUDDD calorie cycling plan	Great! The more the merrier I've planned a few down days and I'm probably going to shoot for 750 cals BUT counting the coconut oil (which I have always used and never counted) just for the tracker to get the right ratio. So around 630 cals not counting that, which is right around where I settle most DD's anyway

09-22-2012, 08:00 AM	#389
piratejenny Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,688 Gallery: piratejenny Stats: 293/285/<160 (5'7") WOE: LC/JUDDD/Fast5/Diabetes Miracle 2010-12 Start Date: 2013: IDK!	Yesterday was 272.4, which I hadn't seen since Sept 1st; and today was 271.0!!! I haven't been anywhere near that there since Aug 12th, so it seems like real progress!

09-22-2012, 02:27 PM	#390
Kissa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 16,464 Gallery: Kissa Stats: 184/124/126 5'3" Age 65 WOE: JUDDD/5:2 Start Date: 2001 Atkins -50 2011 JUDDD - 10	WTG PJ. I am so glad you are seeing the scale drop again.