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Old 05-02-2012, 02:03 PM   #1
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Hey Guys...I need help...

So, I need to come clean with my JUDDD Buds! Long post coming!

I've been doing the rotation, but have been way over my numbers...mostly on UDs. I'd guess probably around 3000 cals on most, sometimes under, sometimes over...but not a lot. On DDs, I'm able to keep it to 500-800 most days, although I had two in April that were definitely MDs - I will own up to that. (Friends/vacation) I'm lucky in that I have generally maintained. I'm about 167ish after most DDs and 169ish after most UDs.

Problem is, I'm hungry. Starving. I don't know how to eat less right now. Yes, I need to clean up my diet...of that I am sure. I know that will help a bit. However, honestly, the desire just isn't there because I'm so hungry.

I also have a mental block at this weight. This is where the last 2 diets have "failed" me so to speak. (HCG and then Weight Watchers) This is where I just got so darn hungry that it became too hard to diet. So, I have gained it all back both time (actually 3 because I dieted myself to around this weight before HCG with my own plan). I'm lucky that while I haven't been eating great, I am maintaining. In fact, it's nothing short of amazing. JUDDD is amazing!

I think I'm so hungry because of 1) the mental thing described above, 2) 3 months of depriving myself always seems to lead to this, and 3) I work out a lot and maybe I need to account for more of those calories.

These are the changes I'm thinking of making:

I already use the 30% weight loss numbers and 1-3 days exercise/wk, but I was thinking of using the 3-5 days numbers for awhile...what do you think? My current numbers on in my info. Adding the exercise would make my UDs 2430 and my DDs 730 at 30%. I work out 6-7 days/wk for 1-2 hours. I do cardio and weights...things like body pump, cx works, pilates, ballet, zumba, kickboxing...

I've also decided that I like the weeks where I have M, W, and F as UDs, but I also like having Sat as a UD. So, I'm changing my rotation to:

S - DD
M - UD
T - DD
W - UD
Th - DD
F - MD (1200-1500 cals?)
S - UD

This way, I can have my Fridays (I'm off that day, work out a lot, and usually go out somewhere with a friend or with my husband in the evening), and I can have a nice Saturday - just in case we are away for the weekend or we have a nice date night. Trying to make it work with my schedule (which is one of the reasons I love JUDDD).

So, any ideas or comments? What do you think of my plan? I'm hoping this will help me feel less deprived, less STARVING, and will help me get back into the swing of things. At the very least, I'll maintain, and I'm ok with that right now.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:30 PM   #2
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My personal feeling is that you've thought it out pretty well and have come up with a plan. It may work great. It may not work so well. I think you need to do whatever you need to do to get the plan to work for you. Try it and see what happens. The worst that can happen is that you gain a couple of pounds in the process which will be corrected quickly enough by going back to your current numbers. Playing with your numbers and finding out what works is much better than just giving up altogether.

Pay attention to your body though and don't self-sabotage (as most of us have done at one time or another).
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:46 PM   #3
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Agree with Dawn.

I'm also wondering about your exercise. Could you be overdoing the exercise?

Last fall/winter I was working out like a maniac. 4-5 days a week on the elliptical, plus yoga, plus Zumba on the Wii, plus hula hooping, plus Callanetics, you get the picture. And I was finding it really hard to stick to my calories and wasn't losing any weight. I changed my exercising to just walking 3-6 days a week and switched to JUDDD and have lost great. I think the exercise that I was doing was just putting my body into stress mode and stepping back a bit helped.

I am a big advocate of exercise, but if you're doing a lot of high intensity stuff, it might just benefit you to drop that back a bit, go for something lower intensity. It really does help make me less hungry and the losses have been just fine.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:46 PM   #4
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Gosh, you are tall. Do you have a really small frame?

I have an idea to add to yours: How about in addition to changing the calculator to truly reflect all your exercise, you set your DD to maintenance levels. 50% or more.

Some JUDDers were surprised to find out that when they started eating maintenance level calories, they lost more!

With all that working out, you have a lot of lean body mass. The more lean mass you have, the more calories you need.

The hunger signals are coming from the hypothalamus area of your brain where Leptin receptors are. (I just read about this!) The hormone, Leptin, is circulating around in your blood stream. When it gets to the hypothalamus and the receptors let it in, it gives a signal to your brain either telling it you are fine and won't be in danger in case of famine; or your brain gets a message that you don't have sufficient energy stores and if you didn't have access to food for a few days, you would be a gonner.

So, the brain sends out a distress signal called "hunger" to get you to replenish your energy stores.

Either take a break from working out that often and intensely to get your hunger under control, or start eating at maintenance levels for a while to get your hypothalamus to relax and know you are not trying to terminate yourself!!!

That's MHO.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:48 PM   #5
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Also, have you seen the thread about goal weights and body frame and all that that Yam-Yam posted a few days ago?

Goal Weight, Body Frame and stuff? This one. I learned from one of those frame size calculators that I have a large frame (never knew that) and that my goal weight, which I thought was sort of high, is really pretty spot-on. You and I have the same goal weight and you are seven inches taller than me. You could have a really small frame, but maybe your hunger is your body's way of saying enough!

Only you know for sure, I'm just speculating.

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Old 05-02-2012, 03:13 PM   #6
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:33 AM   #7
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I had a whole post written out and it's gone...

Anyway, THANK YOU Dawn, Yam-Yam, Luna and Kissa! I appreciate all of your help, so, so much!

So, the basics of the disappearing post:

1) I think I'm small to medium frame. I will do measurements to find out when I'm home. I've been 140-145 in my adult life, which makes me about a size 6. I think I'll be happy at 150. Right now, I'm a perfect size 10 in most brands.

2) I like Yam-Yam's leptin explanation and am going to redo my calorie limits. Putting in 3-5 days/week, I get 2432 UDs and 973-1459 DDs (40%-60%). Putting in 6-7 days/week, I get 2707 UDs and 1083-1624 DDs. I think I'm going to do 2400-2600 UDs and 1000-1300 DDs. (I like ranges ). I need to refill my energy stores...

3) This really helps me feel better about everything.

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Old 05-03-2012, 08:40 AM   #8
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Sounds like you have a plan, DD!

Check out this site. Use your pointer finger (not middle finger) and your thumb to determine frame and recommended "ideal body weight" for your frame. Let me know what you get! you don't need to measure anything, so you can check right now:

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Old 05-03-2012, 08:48 AM   #9
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Sounds like a good plan, DD! You do A LOT of exercise and you body is probably telling you it needs more fuel. Try eating more for a while to accommodate all that extra energy you expend and see how it goes. At the very least you can prevent the starving feeling and maintain for a while, giving your body the relief it needs before it feels ready to start on the business of weight loss again. Or you may lose by doing this anyway. Either way, I think it will make you happier and then you can always tweak again if needed
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:48 PM   #10
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Sounds like you have a plan, DD!

Check out this site. Use your pointer finger (not middle finger) and your thumb to determine frame and recommended "ideal body weight" for your frame. Let me know what you get! you don't need to measure anything, so you can check right now:

Ideal Body Weight Calculator - HealthCentral.com
I tried it. My thumb and forefinger overlap just a bit, so I put in small frame. They say 156-171.6, so I'm in range, but I'd like to be at the lower part of that range. I also tried it for medium because I didn't know how tight to grab and if I loosely do it, they barely touch. Range on that is 166-182.6. Seems high...

I always tend to go by the 5 lbs for every inch over 5', which put me at 150.

Healthy Weight Calculator for Calculating Your Ideal Weight This site tells me small frame 130 and medium frame 150.

Reading on, I always thought of myself as a ectomorph/mesomorph body type, so that's why I always go with small to medium frame. (Smaller frame, but hourglass shape, broad shoulders, etc)

After all that...150--155 would be great for me! (I think).

And, thank you Sophie for the encouragement!

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Well I came in as not touching, i.e. large frame and so I am apparently underweight. I really am so not underweight.

Everyone says I am small frame. My Mother was 4'11". Medium frame I might accept....

5lbs for every inch over 5' says 115 for me, which I do think is underweight if you are 65, as I will be next month.

I am maintaining at around 122-125lbs, this means I still have some 'fatty' bits I might not accept if I were in my 30s, but now, I don't want to be the skinny woman with the 'big' head,(and wrinkles).
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Well I came in as not touching, i.e. large frame and so I am apparently underweight. I really am so not underweight.

Everyone says I am small frame. My Mother was 4'11". Medium frame I might accept....

5lbs for every inch over 5' says 115 for me, which I do think is underweight if you are 65, as I will be next month.

I am maintaining at around 122-125lbs, this means I still have some 'fatty' bits I might not accept if I were in my 30s, but now, I don't want to be the skinny woman with the 'big' head,(and wrinkles).
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:15 PM   #13
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Well I came in as not touching, i.e. large frame and so I am apparently underweight. I really am so not underweight.

Everyone says I am small frame. My Mother was 4'11". Medium frame I might accept....

5lbs for every inch over 5' says 115 for me, which I do think is underweight if you are 65, as I will be next month.

I am maintaining at around 122-125lbs, this means I still have some 'fatty' bits I might not accept if I were in my 30s, but now, I don't want to be the skinny woman with the 'big' head,(and wrinkles).
Don't be a bobble head!!!

I think what you are saying (and what it comes down too) is what weight are *you* comfortable at? That's the weight you should do with. I think some people want the impossible and need to recognize when they shouldn't lose anymore, but most of the time...we know where we should be.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:16 PM   #14
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DD I'm a little confused. Have you ever done Juddd just the regular way, you know, with rotating UD and DD and no MD or any of the "days" we make up around here? At 20% DD and keeping track of your UD calories? I'm just thinking there are some peeps here who tweak this woe from day one and never do it the " correct" way from day one, and wonder why they are not attaining their goals. I couldn't tell from your post if you started tweaking right away or after doing it by the book so to speak. Can you give us more info?
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:00 PM   #16
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Oh I forgot, you are prob starving because if you don't do this woe correctly the sirt1 gene won't kick in and therefore neither will the appetite suppression. It's really a vicious cycle!
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The other thing that can happen is, because of the significant exercise, you ma be plunging right past caloric stress response into a stall-level deficit.

I think Yam-Yam's idea is very good and healthy.
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We didn't "make up" the MD. Dr. J calls it the "in between" day so it is the same thing that he talks about in his book. Now the Up up and away day I am pretty sure came from us. He talks about the in between day as a way to change rotation OR to have set Ud/DD days. So there are many ways to do this. BUT he also says to do the first two weeks as UD/DD.
I do know that I did one MD to compensate for a banquet and confused myself terribly and I will never do another one. MD's do not work for everyone.
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I'd say it was the exercise. It makes you very hungry.

I do HIIT for 15 minutes on DDs and I think it makes you hungry later in the day. I've struggled to keep the cals lower than 600. Dr J does say you can allow for those exercise calories so I add 150 cals to my allowance when I work out.

I've read that when they surveyed runners they found that over a year people who run regularly actually got fatter. Their extra appetite more than made up for any calories burned. So maybe rest up a while and get rid of the fat?

I do two UDs at the weekends and have a lot of social meals out. I've not really lost much either. I think it's a good point that if we are not really doing the rotations the appetite suppression and general magic will not work.

So less working out and do a proper rotation for a couple of weeks?

I'll try and join you. Although it's a bank holiday this weekend. Not sure my family can cope with mummy on a DD all the day long.
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