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Old 04-27-2012, 06:02 PM   #1
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JUDDD triggers binging in susceptible people?

Hi all,

It was suggested on the main board that JUDDD can trigger binging in those of us with a history of binging.

I am one of those people.

I had a binging "relapse" on Wednesday (but fortunately it ended there if you KWIM). I attributed it to eating soy flour earlier in the week, as I'm very sensitive to soy. Fortunately the cravings are gone and I have no urge to binge. Today is an UD and I'm back to my norm of having a hard time getting all my calories in.

I'm wondering if anyone else with a history of binging has had any struggles while on JUDDD.

Thanks!!
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:24 PM   #2
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I think YMMV but one must give it a solid try before making that decision.

JUDDD has freed up my obsession and I am finding I can eat moderate amts of items that I never would've considered putting in my mouth before.

LC was great because I regained controll but as I aged I decided that I really wanted to let go of the whole food obsession.
That is why I came to JUDDD in the new year....that was a, sort of, New Years resolution.

It took some experimenting but last week I tested it at a Mexican Restaurant and ate 5-6 chips AND had no desire for more!! Sure I could've eaten the whole basket but I just didn't have that desire.

I don't doubt that I may stumble but there's the DD to get me back on my feet.

I am actually feeling better now and seem to not be pulled back to strict LC, although, I love the food and really continue to eat it w some additions w/o feeling like I'm going off the deep end.

I don't want to deter peop from JUDDD beacause, I am convinced, that it can heal that disordered eating pattern.
But it is individual.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:52 PM   #3
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I recall that some time back there was a lot of discussion here about this subject. There were a number of people who said their binging behavior was gradually healed by the JUDD woe.

Hopefully some of them will pop in and share.

I had the same tortilla chip experience after JUDDing for a few weeks. We were at the family's favorite Mexican restaurant where they bring out complimentary endless chips baskets and refill them and also yummy salsa on the side.

I had in my mind that 12 chips would be 150 calories. I ate 9. Yes, I counted them! I did not want more than that! I was happy, waited for my chicken fajitas and filled up on the chicken and veggies with a small side salad. So satisfying. In the past, I swear I would have eaten a whole basket of chips all by myself!!! No counting involved.

JUDD is totally reforming my overeating tendencies. Not only that, but I also find myself craving healthier foods even on UDs which is so great! I know it's perfectly legal to have potato chips. But sometimes I pass them by and opt for cottage cheese with pineapple. I don't even recognize myself anymore in more ways than one!
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:26 PM   #4
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I am one of those people, and as some of you know, my UD have been out of control. I almost like my DD MORE bc at least I can control them. I hope that JUDDD heals this in me eventually.
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:48 PM   #5
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I was a big time binger, all it ever took was one trigger food and I would go crazy, I would eat so much at night that I would go to bed sick and bloated.
I wanted to stop, but I couldn't.

Thats one reason why I loved Low carb, it balanced out my blood sugars and stopped the false hungries. But low Carb didnt work for me as well as it did when I was younger and I just got to the point where meat and salad did not appeal to me.

When I started JUDDD I remained low carb for about 1 week and then slowly added in carbs, first it was fruit, now its an occasional form of bread and even rice. I can eat 1 cup and rice and be done...before JUDDD one cup of rice to lead to four, or until the pot is gone

I still stay away from refined sugars, I do fear I could not handle myself if I indulged in something sweet.

I am diligent about tracking every single bite I take so I know what my calories are. So far Ive been able to stay within my guidelines.

So if you are afraid of incorporating carbs back into your diet, just go slow and seee what happens.
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:15 PM   #6
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I can binge easily, but don't unless my body refuses to give me the "you're full" signal.

I think it's happening more often, the more weight I lose. My body is fighting the diet with the only weapon it's got left: an increase in appetite.
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Hi all,

It was suggested on the main board that JUDDD can trigger binging in those of us with a history of binging.

I am one of those people.

I had a binging "relapse" on Wednesday (but fortunately it ended there if you KWIM). I attributed it to eating soy flour earlier in the week, as I'm very sensitive to soy. Fortunately the cravings are gone and I have no urge to binge. Today is an UD and I'm back to my norm of having a hard time getting all my calories in.

I'm wondering if anyone else with a history of binging has had any struggles while on JUDDD.

Thanks!!
Can you point us in direction of this thread/post? I, for one, would like to see what was said and whether the ones saying this are strict LCers or not.

Thanks!
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:44 PM   #8
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JUDD is totally reforming my overeating tendencies. Not only that, but I also find myself craving healthier foods even on UDs which is so great! I know it's perfectly legal to have potato chips. But sometimes I pass them by and opt for cottage cheese with pineapple. I don't even recognize myself anymore in more ways than one!
I could have written that!

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I can eat 1 cup and rice and be done...before JUDDD one cup of rice to lead to four, or until the pot is gone
Could have written that, too.

Just knowing I can have something I like/want and it won't throw a monkey wrench in the works allows me to eat what sounds good, enjoy it and have no internal dialogue of "Well, you blew it, might as well really live it up now". I'm very satisfied with less, far more conscious of portion sizes, and don't find myself wanting more, More, MORE. JUDDD is a genuine blessing!
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I think Sheridan hit the nail on the head, at least that has been my experience with JUDDD. I have had an ED for years and what i have realized made it come and go was deprivation. Part of it was my body needing and wanting food because i was depriving my body of healthy food and enough food when i was in restriction mode. Then part of it would be trying to be so strict on lowcarb that if i did eat something i considered bad then my body would just go crazy and eat everything in sight. Some of that was, well i messed up i might as well eat tons of it and part of that was that i havent had that food in so long and i knew that i wouldnt be eating it again in who knows how long so here comes a binge.
JUDDD at first, i think, can trigger binging because those of us that have been depriving our bodies of either calories or certain foods all of us a sudden have that freedom and our bodies just kinda go crazy. I did the first couple weeks. There are lots that do. But i stuck with it and what happened was that i know i can have that food if i want it now. I dont have to feel like this is gonna be the last time i will ever get to eat a donut or chips or potatoes or whatever. I can have it if i want it so my body has no desire to binge. There have still been triggers here and there but reading the book Brain Over Binge really helped open my eyes to some things also. I highly recommend that book!!! Its wonderful!!
What i have found out is that its not sugar that triggers binges really. Its the deprivation of sugar. Its the feeling you arent ever gonna get it again so when you do get a taste of that sugar or starch your body reacts. I was also afraid that starting to eat carbs would cause major cravings and binging and with JUDDD it hasnt at all. I know that i can have a piece of pie and then you know what, i can have another piece the day after tomorrrow if i want it and somehow that has really been freeing. I dont have a problem with portion control anymore. If i eat too much its because i ate too much. Its not because i binged or anything i just ate too much because life happens adn you go to a buffet and eat too much. If i look at it as i binged i will automatically want to purge. But everyone eats too much sometimes. Even skinny people that enver have weight problems eat too much sometimes. It doesnt mean there is soemthing wrong with me it just means the food was really good and i over did it a little. JUDDD has been the best thing that has ever happened to me, even if my weight doesnt always cooperate...lol

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Old 04-28-2012, 05:45 AM   #10
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I don't really think any one WOE can be blamed for bingeing. I'm not proud to say but I have pretty much binged on almost every Weight loss program I have done. The program didn't cause that behavior it was my choice. For me the key is eating healthier food options so I am satisfied. Sugar is definitely a trigger for me. I still eat sweets I just plan when and how much.

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I don't really think any one WOE can be blamed for bingeing.
What Melissa said!

I don't have the book handy. But didn't Dr J say UD freedom could be too much for some people? That is logical and does apply to almost any sustainable WOE. Heck, as much as I love butter and cheese, I could and did binge on LC.
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:34 AM   #12
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I agree with others....I don't think binging is directly related to this WOE. I think if someone is susceptible to binging than that person will feel the need to binge with whatever diet they are doing. Actually I would think that since this WOE lets you eat what you want so often binging would be less of a danger with Juddd. I know that I do not overeat on UD's and I think it's because I get full a lot faster now and I do eat what I want now just in smaller portions on UD's.
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:43 AM   #13
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I agree with what everyone here has said. I've been known to binge my whole life. Since I've been Juddding for 3 weeks I haven't had any urges to do so. I think its mainly because I know I can eat what I want and if I'm craving something I make sure to work it into my day. I think I might run into problems if I didn't have my day planned out in advance. I also noticed that I'm totally satisfied eating say, just 3 oreo's instead of the half the package.

I did have an issue the 1st time eating out on Juddd. We were going to BJ's and while planning my calories for the day, I was trying to work in some fries (love them there). I wasn't able to do it and just told myself to be happy with what I was getting to eat because after all they were are really great foods that I loved. I ended up not eating lunch so I could afford to have some fries and that I did ... mine and a few handfuls from everyone else's plate as well. I'm certain that it was a psychological thing, because my mind was thinking it was going to be deprived of my beloved fries for days, even though I did allow myself to have them I just couldn't stop myself from eating more. BJ's has since been banned (at least for a while) because their food is so incredibly high in calories that its just to hard to starve myself all day just so I can eat there. Not worth it when I get to eat so much incredible food if we eat at home.
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I think a lot of it depends on if you're an opportunistic binger (hey that looks good! I want to eat it all!) or if you have an actual, chemical imbalance type eating disorder to binge.
I'm an opportunistic binger and, even though I've had one or two occasions on juddd, I've noticed my ability to say "I can have that day after tomorrow" is much more in-place than it was on LC when it was "eat it all now because you can never have it again!" mentality.
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Part of it was my body needing and wanting food because i was depriving my body of healthy food and enough food when i was in restriction mode. Then part of it would be trying to be so strict on lowcarb that if i did eat something i considered bad then my body would just go crazy and eat everything in sight. Some of that was, well i messed up i might as well eat tons of it and part of that was that i havent had that food in so long and i knew that i wouldnt be eating it again in who knows how long so here comes a binge.

[...]

But i stuck with it and what happened was that i know i can have that food if i want it now. I dont have to feel like this is gonna be the last time i will ever get to eat a donut or chips or potatoes or whatever.

[...]

Its the feeling you arent ever gonna get it again so when you do get a taste of that sugar or starch your body reacts. I was also afraid that starting to eat carbs would cause major cravings and binging and with JUDDD it hasnt at all. I know that i can have a piece of pie and then you know what, i can have another piece the day after tomorrrow if i want it and somehow that has really been freeing. I dont have a problem with portion control anymore. If i eat too much its because i ate too much. Its not because i binged or anything i just ate too much because life happens adn you go to a buffet and eat too much. If i look at it as i binged i will automatically want to purge. But everyone eats too much sometimes. Even skinny people that enver have weight problems eat too much sometimes. It doesnt mean there is soemthing wrong with me it just means the food was really good and i over did it a little. JUDDD has been the best thing that has ever happened to me, even if my weight doesnt always cooperate...lol


Couldn't agree more! I've mentioned here before that I haven't always had a weight problem. For many years I had a really good figure. And you know what? I essentially followed JUDDD (even though I had no idea that's what it was). I'd eat what I wanted one day but took it easy and really watched what I ate the next. It was just my normal eating pattern. And it worked for a long time! I never, ever felt guilty or bad about eating anything. I keep asking myself why and how I ever got side-tracked, but that's water under the bridge and I'm back to my "old self" again.
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It might be worth trying to figure out whether you were really bingeing (in the sense of overeating past satiety), or whether your body was reacting to calorie/nutrient deprivation by making you feel hungry. It seems that when a lot of people start JUDDD, their bodies compensate for the DD by making them hungrier on UD's (although that seems to reduce over time).

For instance... to give a personal example... I was so hungry a few days ago on my UD that I really felt like my stomach was about to eat itself. I ended up eating a lot on that UD, but I wouldn't really classify that as a 'binge'. However if I was eating so much without being hungry, I would have called it a binge.

A lot of people have mentioned that one of the benefits of JUDDD is that it helps us listen to our body and see what it really needs, so maybe this is one of those areas where that can happen too.
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I agree that I dont believe my binge was due to JUDDD. I'm still suspecting soy as I'm sensitive to it in other ways, too.

Beeb, here is the link.

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