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Old 04-11-2012, 07:33 AM   #1
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does anyone NOT count cals on UD?

I am really trying not to have to count cals everyday. Every other day I can handle (DD). Could it work if you can be honest with yourself and not go overboard on UDs?
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:37 AM   #2
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I don't count. I'm a bad girl. I do a running total in my head. To be honest, I probably do lie to myself sometimes... I am still losing, but slowly, and I'm ok with that so far. Sorry I'm not more help.
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:39 AM   #3
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I have discovered I am a big fat liar to myself. So, I log everything that hops into my mouth, UD and DD...

I use an android app on my phone, so it takes no time at all to quickly log something as soon as I've eaten or drunk it.
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My hubby has not counted a thing on up days and lost well. But guys are easier losers sometimes.
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in an effort to be somewhat 'normal' i do not count on UD's. don't mind counting on DDs, tho. i focus on portion control for UDs. still having big jumps after UDs. but i need to be able to just live and FOR ME counting every morsel that falls in my mouth is not a good fit. i may lose better if i did...but i WANT to learn how to do this intuitively, without counting.
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:57 AM   #6
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I don't count on UDs...I lose slowly, though!
I think it can work *if* you are currently pretty much maintaining your weight, and can continue to eat that way on UDs.

If you drastically change what you eat, though (higher carb, for example), it may be difficult to eat "intuitively". OTOH, many new JUDDDers go a bit wild the first couple weeks, then find themselves craving healthy foods and not feeling hungry on UDs.

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Some people count calories strictly, some don't count at all. I don't think it is a bad thing or a good thing. You need to do what works for you. If you are happy with your losses and not counting calories, then you are doing something right.

For me, I have a pretty bad weight problem and have had it all my life. When Dr J says to eat normally on up days, I have no real clue what normal even is. I can't eat until satisfied because I never really feel satiated. I eat for other reasons than hunger. I love food, I love to bake and experiment with foods so I have to consider that.

When I first started logging my calories, I was shocked! I didn't realize the 2 Tbs of HWC I used in my coffee every day 3-4 cups a day added up like it did. I could have possibly been eating close to 3000 calories!! Even though I was following low carb, all the low carb goodies are often more caloric than non-LC goodies due to uses of foods like almond flour and coconut oil. I made a low carb doughnut. After checking the calories, I discovered it had 350 calories for one! Once I discovered that, I decided I need to carefully log in on the up days in order to reach the number, but not exceed it. I will continue to do this until I learn. Eventually I think I will not need to count. Studies show that people consistently under report what they eat, and I have been one of them!! So for now, I am counting. I don't find it a problem to do it. It is easy and a great learning process for me.
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Some people count calories strictly, some don't count at all. I don't think it is a bad thing or a good thing. You need to do what works for you. If you are happy with your losses and not counting calories, then you are doing something right.

For me, I have a pretty bad weight problem and have had it all my life. When Dr J says to eat normally on up days, I have no real clue what normal even is. I can't eat until satisfied because I never really feel satiated. I eat for other reasons than hunger. I love food, I love to bake and experiment with foods so I have to consider that.

When I first started logging my calories, I was shocked! I didn't realize the 2 Tbs of HWC I used in my coffee every day 3-4 cups a day added up like it did. I could have possibly been eating close to 3000 calories!! Even though I was following low carb, all the low carb goodies are often more caloric than non-LC goodies due to uses of foods like almond flour and coconut oil. I made a low carb doughnut. After checking the calories, I discovered it had 350 calories for one! Once I discovered that, I decided I need to carefully log in on the up days in order to reach the number, but not exceed it. I will continue to do this until I learn. Eventually I think I will not need to count. Studies show that people consistently under report what they eat, and I have been one of them!! So for now, I am counting. I don't find it a problem to do it. It is easy and a great learning process for me.
THIS is why I am counting UD calories, even though I was very resistant to it at first.

Being vegan and mostly raw, I wrongly assumed I was taking in very little calories since I live on fresh fruit, veggies, seeds, and dehydrated snacks like kale chips and nut cheeses. Boy, was I wrong.

I found out the other day that my typical lunch (arugula salad and raw key lime pie from Organic Avenue) totals 1300 calories!!!!!! I was shocked. I mean, very healthy and whole ingredients for sure but that is crazy, right?

So at least in the first month, I am counting calories for the sole purpose of understanding what "normal" looks like. After that, I may be able to get away with just eating sanely. I agree though< I do hate counting calories daily.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:26 AM   #9
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I do both, some days I just keep running total and others I track everything. I would say whatever you find that works best for you. I found that tracking is good for me as it made me realize what I was eating. But as I learn and get close to maintenance i may not track as much on UD.

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Old 04-11-2012, 10:19 AM   #10
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I am in Maintenance so I don't keep a careful check. But I did during weight loss mode.

If you are happy with your rate of loss then you are doing it right. If you aren't happy with your rate of loss, then, you know what to do.

Also, Sungoddess makes a very important point here. "I have no real clue what normal even is. " Many pod us on this forum have come from here. We are not the best people to give free rein to where food is concerned.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:21 AM   #11
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YUpper.. im a counter too... i found that if i did not count them at least at first.. i was first off not getting in enough calories.. then!!! When i started to look at one lil item that i was hooked on for like 20 years now.. was my coffe with powered creamer,, well!!! i measure out what i norally shake or shook in.. holy cals!! every cup i drank for the last 20 years was about 100 cals per cup, then times by 8 or 9 every day
I had no clue that all those cups were empty cals of 900 every day and never knew why i could not lose weight when i dint eat that much! :hystr: so i count and measure every thing till i get that item down pat.. then i can just add stuff up in my head now due to ive done it before,, for me,,, this was a great tool and an eye opener!! Hope ya all have a great day!!
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:25 PM   #12
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I haven't but might just to see why I'm not losing like everyone else. I keep a running total in my head, but who knows. I typically try to eat the same stuff I do on a DD, just add to it (little more cream, extra helping, etc.) a little bit. I'd love to see I'm not eating enough and that's the problem.

If you're losing and not counting on an UD, I say keep doing what you're doing. That's one of the biggest things that makes JUDDD not feel like a diet.
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I count only because it is so ingrained in me, but have had many FDs.

If I have a day where I'm otherwise too busy, I don't worry about it, but I always keep my DDs in check!
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I used to count them. Now I do a rough estimate. I have a really good idea of what is what now. I usually eat the same things week after week. My dd's I stick to! Count them and write it in my journal. I find I can go between 500-700 and still do pretty good.

Now if my food varies a bit, like I ate out or something, then I keep track in my journal too! To easy to go over board that way!!!
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I count on both UD and DD, if I didn't count on UDs I'd probably be over 2,500 easy! I personally need the reigning in that counting gives me.
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I count, but only because I'd be WAY under if I didn't and my weight loss would come to a screeching halt. Eating to satisfaction would leave me too low.

IMHO, I think it's important to come close to both you UD and DD calories as this is pretty much the meat and potatoes of this WOE. (And if you dont count, how do you know if you're anywhere close?) We have free reign with just about everything else so counting calories isn't a big deal to me.

But, do what works for you.
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I am in Maintenance so I don't keep a careful check. But I did during weight loss mode.

If you are happy with your rate of loss then you are doing it right. If you aren't happy with your rate of loss, then, you know what to do.

Also, Sungoddess makes a very important point here. "I have no real clue what normal even is. " Many pod us on this forum have come from here. We are not the best people to give free rein to where food is concerned.
QFT.

I count and log pretty religiously. DH, who is JUDDDing with me, does not. Even though he normally loses better than I do, being a guy, I've lost more weight on JUDDD than he has. Pretty convincing evidence, to me anyway.
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Some people count calories strictly, some don't count at all. I don't think it is a bad thing or a good thing. You need to do what works for you. If you are happy with your losses and not counting calories, then you are doing something right.

For me, I have a pretty bad weight problem and have had it all my life. When Dr J says to eat normally on up days, I have no real clue what normal even is. I can't eat until satisfied because I never really feel satiated. I eat for other reasons than hunger. I love food, I love to bake and experiment with foods so I have to consider that.

When I first started logging my calories, I was shocked! I didn't realize the 2 Tbs of HWC I used in my coffee every day 3-4 cups a day added up like it did. I could have possibly been eating close to 3000 calories!! Even though I was following low carb, all the low carb goodies are often more caloric than non-LC goodies due to uses of foods like almond flour and coconut oil. I made a low carb doughnut. After checking the calories, I discovered it had 350 calories for one! Once I discovered that, I decided I need to carefully log in on the up days in order to reach the number, but not exceed it. I will continue to do this until I learn. Eventually I think I will not need to count. Studies show that people consistently under report what they eat, and I have been one of them!! So for now, I am counting. I don't find it a problem to do it. It is easy and a great learning process for me.
YES (in bold)! I did FDs for awhile, bad mistake!!

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I count on both UD and DD, if I didn't count on UDs I'd probably be over 2,500 easy! I personally need the reigning in that counting gives me.
And totally agree with Becky here! Even in maintenance I have found I need to pretty much count on UDs. And I look at it as a VERY small price to pay to be able to stay the weight I'm so comfortable with!
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Some people count calories strictly, some don't count at all. I don't think it is a bad thing or a good thing. You need to do what works for you. If you are happy with your losses and not counting calories, then you are doing something right.

For me, I have a pretty bad weight problem and have had it all my life. When Dr J says to eat normally on up days, I have no real clue what normal even is. I can't eat until satisfied because I never really feel satiated. I eat for other reasons than hunger. I love food, I love to bake and experiment with foods so I have to consider that.

When I first started logging my calories, I was shocked! I didn't realize the 2 Tbs of HWC I used in my coffee every day 3-4 cups a day added up like it did. I could have possibly been eating close to 3000 calories!! Even though I was following low carb, all the low carb goodies are often more caloric than non-LC goodies due to uses of foods like almond flour and coconut oil. I made a low carb doughnut. After checking the calories, I discovered it had 350 calories for one! Once I discovered that, I decided I need to carefully log in on the up days in order to reach the number, but not exceed it. I will continue to do this until I learn. Eventually I think I will not need to count. Studies show that people consistently under report what they eat, and I have been one of them!! So for now, I am counting. I don't find it a problem to do it. It is easy and a great learning process for me.
Yes, this. There are times when I feel stuffed and know that I've most likely had way too much and way too many calories. But then there are other times where I honestly don't feel anywhere close to full and haven't really eaten that much, but maybe a few things I ate were higher in calories and just not quite as filling for the calorie count, so I would've gone way past my calorie limit while still feeling hungry. Using my own appetite and hunger to guide me doesn't work at all. I need to count and calculate everything. Maybe in maintenance I'd consider relaxing a bit but not right now.
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Beverly, you are both wise and articulate!

I count because I believe I am preparing/training myself for a long, happy future. I need to train myself to recognize what a reasonable portion is, I need to know when I am full but have eaten nowhere near enough calories; if I over eat (and some days I eat waaaay over), I need to know and make a thoughtful, conscious to do so.

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I count because I believe I am preparing/training myself for a long, happy future. I need to train myself to recognize what a reasonable portion is, I need to know when I am full but have eaten nowhere near enough calories; if I over eat (and some days I eat waaaay over), I need to know and make a thoughtful, conscious to do so.

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Wow! Thank you everyone for the very thoughtful replies! It's evident that you all are committed to this WOE and for very good reason. I am coming off of hcg (21 lbs. in 40 days) but am gaining quickly because I am not following the rules of P3! I want to JUDDD my way to goal before I gain it all back. I think my best bet would be to bite the bullet and count cals on both UD and DD and save the freedom of not counting for maintenance! Thanks again and keep the comments coming!
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Wow! Thank you everyone for the very thoughtful replies! It's evident that you all are committed to this WOE and for very good reason. I am coming off of hcg (21 lbs. in 40 days) but am gaining quickly because I am not following the rules of P3! I want to JUDDD my way to goal before I gain it all back. I think my best bet would be to bite the bullet and count cals on both UD and DD and save the freedom of not counting for maintenance! Thanks again and keep the comments coming!
Great ! It is good you are catching it before you gain it all back. Sadly that is what happened with me. I think you won't find it bad counting the calories. I think the online counters are genius and so easy. Best wishes to you and keep us posted.
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In weight loss mode I counted religiously...1800 ud 500-600 dd. For the last 6 months I have been in maintainance, and doing DD 500-600 / FD (any amount).
My goal was 135...and I kept losing till about 133. For the last 6 months I have maintained at 133-136 eating this way.
For me, personally, I know that always counting cals is counter productive...i WILL break and give up at some point. Doing it this way means i am never at risk of falling of the wagon, cos i can have a mini fall every other day, tempered with a good DD the next!

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My last UD was reason enough for me to never ever estimate calories, I was at the car dealership getting my car inspected, they said it would be about an hour (it's a new, very big, busy Toyota dealership) they give you a voucher for breakfast and have a complete cafeteria. We have been here a bunch of times and I always had the scrambled eggs and bacon, this time I decided on a bagel with butter and cream cheese, I estimated 350 cals for it and my medium latte, well I get home and look it up it was about 700 calories!! I've always written everything down but now I don't guesstimate on calories either, too dangerous. like I said before it would be way too easy for me to go way over my 1,700 UD allotment.
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