Question for hcg-ers now doing JUDD

Violet_Dream · 04-07-2012, 07:09 PM

I'm 4.8 pounds from goal and plan on ending this round this week. I've been using Intermountain homeopathic pellets and know I only need to do two 500-calorie days without the hcg in my system (as opposed to three).

I was going to start with a 500-calorie DD, does that sound right? Induction rules say I do 500-calories every other day and Sophie suggested I do 1900-2000 calories on my UDs during induction before I plug in my numbers to get my "lifetime rotation." I've done so many 500-calorie days on my rounds that this should be a breeze for me.

TIA

maggielou66 · 04-07-2012, 07:13 PM

I wouldn't start on a DD. I would do an UD. You wouldn't necessarily need to go all the way up to 2000 calories, but after just coming off a round of hcg, you probably need the extra protein and FAT.

Violet_Dream · 04-07-2012, 07:16 PM

Thanks...I was wondering about that. Any suggestions on how many calories I should have on my UD? It doesn't say for induction and I plan on walking on my treadmill 4-5 days per week right away.

BTW, congratulations on losing 115 pounds! KUTGW!

maggielou66 · 04-07-2012, 07:25 PM

Thank you!

I believe that The Alternate Day Diet says that you should eat up to whatever makes you full, but not intentionally overeat. The calculator on the Johnson Up Day/Down Day Diet website is mostly for the DD calories (at least, that's what I've read). Anyway, you probably won't be that hungry since you're just coming off a round. If you add in good fats like coconut oil and butter that will give you some extra calories without adding too much food.

I've been eating around 2000 (or more) calories on UD and 500 or a little less on DD. The scale bounces around alot, but for me, it's been sticking between 147 and 150 - the average is 148.8. A little up from ldw, but as long as it doesn't go up any more than that, I'm happy.

Also, that's a good plan re: exercising, but don't take it too far at first - you may retain water from sore muscles.

Violet_Dream · 04-07-2012, 07:28 PM

Yeah, I figured I should ease into it considering I've dropped over 80# without any exercise at all.

maggielou66 · 04-07-2012, 07:33 PM

Awesome job on 80 lbs lost!

mykidsteacher · 04-07-2012, 08:01 PM

WTG on 80 pounds lost! So are you wanting to lose more, or maintain where you are. Because that will make a difference in how many calories you can take in.

Post your stats (age, weight, height) and somebody can help you plug your numbers in to get your DD/UD calories. (Unless that's been done already and where you got the 1900-2000).

Many people start at 500 cal DD's and never change from that. Some start higher and work their way down, some start at 500 and work to whatever the 20%-25% wl number is on the calculator.

While it's sort of true that it doesn't matter what you eat on your UD's, it's not totally true that it doesn't matter how much. The calculator gives you an UD number for a reason. That is considered your "normal" calorie number for weight loss, and DD cals are based off of that. Now, if you can eat "normally" without counting calories, then cool. But most of us tend to either under eat, or over eat if we aren't keeping track. And neither is optimal for this woe.

I'm one who would under eat, by a lot (1100 calories is eating to satiety with primal for me). That is not enough to get your body out of the starvation stress response, and continuing with that would slow the metabolism and lead to a stall. On the other hand, overeating that 'normal' number would not produce a calorie deficit to your maintenance level calories, and you wouldn't lose, and might gain.

It's not ALL about calories, but they certainly do play a role. So it's best to respect both the UD and DD numbers, and try to get close.

Happy JUDDD'ing!

Violet_Dream · 04-07-2012, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mykidsteacher

WTG on 80 pounds lost! So are you wanting to lose more, or maintain where you are. Because that will make a difference in how many calories you can take in.

Post your stats (age, weight, height) and somebody can help you plug your numbers in to get your DD/UD calories. (Unless that's been done already and where you got the 1900-2000).

Many people start at 500 cal DD's and never change from that. Some start higher and work their way down, some start at 500 and work to whatever the 20%-25% wl number is on the calculator.

While it's sort of true that it doesn't matter what you eat on your UD's, it's not totally true that it doesn't matter how much. The calculator gives you an UD number for a reason. That is considered your "normal" calorie number for weight loss, and DD cals are based off of that. Now, if you can eat "normally" without counting calories, then cool. But most of us tend to either under eat, or over eat if we aren't keeping track. And neither is optimal for this woe.

I'm one who would under eat, by a lot (1100 calories is eating to satiety with primal for me). That is not enough to get your body out of the starvation stress response, and continuing with that would slow the metabolism and lead to a stall. On the other hand, overeating that 'normal' number would not produce a calorie deficit to your maintenance level calories, and you wouldn't lose, and might gain.

It's not ALL about calories, but they certainly do play a role. So it's best to respect both the UD and DD numbers, and try to get close.

Happy JUDDD'ing!

Thank you! I'm 42, 5'10" and will weigh 140 at goal. I got 1920 UD/672 DD and that's with 1-3 days per week of exercise and 35%. I won't want to lose and if I see a loss, I'll increase the percentage.

gotsomeold · 04-08-2012, 02:22 AM

1900ish/500 is a great place to start maintenance. Then tune your calories. I am betting you end up eating about significantly more on UD and 700-800 cals on DD (you poor thing!)

Congratulations on working so hard, being so dedicated, and seeing such awesome results!

Better With Age · 04-08-2012, 04:27 AM

Violet,

Since June 2011 I have lost over 40 lbs with hcg! I stumbled across JUDDD when I was looking at LC info. The shift in thinking for me on dd is that the 500 calories can come from any foods not the short list on hcg! I still make healthier choices but enjoy the freedom.

Melissa

maggielou66 · 04-08-2012, 08:00 AM

[QUOT=While it's sort of true that it doesn't matter what you eat on your UD's, it's not totally true that it doesn't matter how much. The calculator gives you an UD number for a reason. That is considered your "normal" calorie number for weight loss, and DD cals are based off of that. Now, if you can eat "normally" without counting calories, then cool. But most of us tend to either under eat, or over eat if we aren't keeping track. And neither is optimal for this woe.

It's not ALL about calories, but they certainly do play a role. So it's best to respect both the UD and DD numbers, and try to get close.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clearing that up; I was a little confused. I haven't been JUDDDg that long (2 weeks), but since I came off of hcg, I thought I would respond to this thread.

Violet_Dream · 04-08-2012, 10:18 AM

Quote:

I haven't been JUDDDg that long (2 weeks), but since I came off of hcg, I thought I would respond to this thread.

How have you been doing with maintenance? I had a huge drop overnight (2.8). That's the beauty of hcg, even though I'm so close to goal...it's still flying off. Are you sticking to the 2-pound window?

maggielou66 · 04-08-2012, 04:08 PM

I'm staying pretty much at 3-4 lbs above ldw. My ldw was 145 and my average since JUDDDg is 148.6.

CharlotteChick · 04-08-2012, 04:58 PM

I've done so many 500-calorie days on my rounds that this should be a breeze for me.

-- TIA

JUDDD is SUCH a breeze for those of us who've done HCG. 500 calorie days? No problem.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt

Just remember -- on the HCG diet, we went slowly down, down, down almost every day. JUDDD is a bouncing ball. Your weight will go way up, then down, then down, then up! This is Day #12 for me -- I really like this WOE.

Happy Easter!

thomasina838 · 04-09-2012, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violet_Dream

I'm 4.8 pounds from goal and plan on ending this round this week. I've been using Intermountain homeopathic pellets and know I only need to do two 500-calorie days without the hcg in my system (as opposed to three).

I was going to start with a 500-calorie DD, does that sound right? Induction rules say I do 500-calories every other day and Sophie suggested I do 1900-2000 calories on my UDs during induction before I plug in my numbers to get my "lifetime rotation." I've done so many 500-calorie days on my rounds that this should be a breeze for me.

TIA

if you are planning maintenance then 500 cals on DD is not enough. if you plan to lose more than and you think 1900 cals for an up day then your DD should be about 380 cals. but i dont know where you got such a high number. i found that the high UD cals were a mistake. but it took gaining for two weeks before i figured it out.

thomasina838 · 04-09-2012, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violet_Dream

Thanks...I was wondering about that. Any suggestions on how many calories I should have on my UD? It doesn't say for induction and I plan on walking on my treadmill 4-5 days per week right away.

BTW, congratulations on losing 115 pounds! KUTGW!

there is no up day minimum. you are supposed to eat what it takes to satisfy. but not deliberately overeat. use the JUDDD calculator. but pick one level of expercise less than what you actually do. dont exceed that on the UD. then 20% of cals is your DD cals.

BaileysGirl · 04-09-2012, 04:58 PM

Violet - So you're coming right off hcg and going straight to JUDDD w/o doing P3/P4? I am into my 2nd week of P3 and do not want to do HCG again. It's so strict and though I am so happy with the loss, just don't think I can handle another round of hcg. I was thinking of starting JUDDD mid May after my vacation. I am going to do regular LC til then.

Violet_Dream · 04-09-2012, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaileysGirl

Violet - So you're coming right off hcg and going straight to JUDDD w/o doing P3/P4? I am into my 2nd week of P3 and do not want to do HCG again. It's so strict and though I am so happy with the loss, just don't think I can handle another round of hcg. I was thinking of starting JUDDD mid May after my vacation. I am going to do regular LC til then.

Yes, I am going to do strict LC just like in P3. I've done a few P3 and had such a tough time stabilizing and I know a lot of hcg-ers on this site that said maintaining was a breeze on JUDD. I'm still going to follow the rules on P3 though and keep it LC, which is how I prefer to eat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasina838

if you are planning maintenance then 500 cals on DD is not enough. if you plan to lose more than and you think 1900 cals for an up day then your DD should be about 380 cals. but i dont know where you got such a high number. i found that the high UD cals were a mistake. but it took gaining for two weeks before i figured it out.

I'm talking about induction. It says on the website that during this time, DDs should be 500 calories, but it doesn't say for UDs, it just says to eat until satisfied, but not stuffed. Someone on here suggested I start with 1900 on UD during this time.

aarosali · 04-09-2012, 07:17 PM

I came off of hcg and straight to JUDDD. I've incorporated healthy as well as not so healthy carbs and did okay the first week of MWF DD. I'm at my first weekend of UDs and gained more than I expected. I gained a little each day even after excercising on Sunday (walked 5 miles). However, today was a DD and I only had 372 cals (a breeze after hcg) and can literally feel the weight coming off. I was down 2 lbs between breakfast and dinner and am eager to see how many more I lose.

I'm doing 300-400 DD and 1900 UD.

04-07-2012, 07:16 PM	#3
Violet_Dream lavender and lace Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Oregon Posts: 4,213 Gallery: Violet_Dream Stats: 225.6/157.6/135 ~5'10"~ WOE: P2 hhcg Start Date: 4/26/2013	Thanks...I was wondering about that. Any suggestions on how many calories I should have on my UD? It doesn't say for induction and I plan on walking on my treadmill 4-5 days per week right away. BTW, congratulations on losing 115 pounds! KUTGW! Last edited by Violet_Dream; 04-07-2012 at 07:19 PM..

04-07-2012, 07:25 PM	#4
maggielou66 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 31 Gallery: maggielou66 Stats: 260/145/145 WOE: hcg/JUDDD/no sugar Start Date: 10/10 (hcg-lost a total of 115 .bs) 3/24 - JUDDD	Thank you! I believe that The Alternate Day Diet says that you should eat up to whatever makes you full, but not intentionally overeat. The calculator on the Johnson Up Day/Down Day Diet website is mostly for the DD calories (at least, that's what I've read). Anyway, you probably won't be that hungry since you're just coming off a round. If you add in good fats like coconut oil and butter that will give you some extra calories without adding too much food. I've been eating around 2000 (or more) calories on UD and 500 or a little less on DD. The scale bounces around alot, but for me, it's been sticking between 147 and 150 - the average is 148.8. A little up from ldw, but as long as it doesn't go up any more than that, I'm happy. Also, that's a good plan re: exercising, but don't take it too far at first - you may retain water from sore muscles. Last edited by maggielou66; 04-07-2012 at 07:30 PM..

04-07-2012, 08:01 PM	#7
mykidsteacher Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,280 Gallery: mykidsteacher Stats: 152/124-126/125 5'4" WOE: Primal as of Aug 2011/JUDDD (started 1/13/12) Start Date: Aug 2011/I've been maintaining since April 2012	WTG on 80 pounds lost! So are you wanting to lose more, or maintain where you are. Because that will make a difference in how many calories you can take in. Post your stats (age, weight, height) and somebody can help you plug your numbers in to get your DD/UD calories. (Unless that's been done already and where you got the 1900-2000). Many people start at 500 cal DD's and never change from that. Some start higher and work their way down, some start at 500 and work to whatever the 20%-25% wl number is on the calculator. While it's sort of true that it doesn't matter what you eat on your UD's, it's not totally true that it doesn't matter how much. The calculator gives you an UD number for a reason. That is considered your "normal" calorie number for weight loss, and DD cals are based off of that. Now, if you can eat "normally" without counting calories, then cool. But most of us tend to either under eat, or over eat if we aren't keeping track. And neither is optimal for this woe. I'm one who would under eat, by a lot (1100 calories is eating to satiety with primal for me). That is not enough to get your body out of the starvation stress response, and continuing with that would slow the metabolism and lead to a stall. On the other hand, overeating that 'normal' number would not produce a calorie deficit to your maintenance level calories, and you wouldn't lose, and might gain. It's not ALL about calories, but they certainly do play a role. So it's best to respect both the UD and DD numbers, and try to get close. Happy JUDDD'ing! __________________ Tina--wife of 21 years and mom to 4 great kids. Paleo/primal since Aug 2011. Lost 20 pounds. Started JUDDD 1/13/12 to lose the last few and maintain for life.

04-08-2012, 04:27 AM	#10
Better With Age Junior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 47 Gallery: Better With Age Stats: 169/158.9/145 WOE: JUDDD Start Date: March 21, 2012	Food variety Violet, Since June 2011 I have lost over 40 lbs with hcg! I stumbled across JUDDD when I was looking at LC info. The shift in thinking for me on dd is that the 500 calories can come from any foods not the short list on hcg! I still make healthier choices but enjoy the freedom. Melissa

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04-07-2012, 07:09 PM	#1
Violet_Dream lavender and lace Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Oregon Posts: 4,213 Gallery: Violet_Dream Stats: 225.6/157.6/135 ~5'10"~ WOE: P2 hhcg Start Date: 4/26/2013	Question for hcg-ers now doing JUDD I'm 4.8 pounds from goal and plan on ending this round this week. I've been using Intermountain homeopathic pellets and know I only need to do two 500-calorie days without the hcg in my system (as opposed to three). I was going to start with a 500-calorie DD, does that sound right? Induction rules say I do 500-calories every other day and Sophie suggested I do 1900-2000 calories on my UDs during induction before I plug in my numbers to get my "lifetime rotation." I've done so many 500-calorie days on my rounds that this should be a breeze for me. TIA __________________ Stephanie Last edited by Violet_Dream; 04-07-2012 at 07:11 PM..

04-07-2012, 07:13 PM	#2
maggielou66 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 31 Gallery: maggielou66 Stats: 260/145/145 WOE: hcg/JUDDD/no sugar Start Date: 10/10 (hcg-lost a total of 115 .bs) 3/24 - JUDDD	I wouldn't start on a DD. I would do an UD. You wouldn't necessarily need to go all the way up to 2000 calories, but after just coming off a round of hcg, you probably need the extra protein and FAT.

04-07-2012, 07:28 PM	#5
Violet_Dream lavender and lace Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Oregon Posts: 4,213 Gallery: Violet_Dream Stats: 225.6/157.6/135 ~5'10"~ WOE: P2 hhcg Start Date: 4/26/2013	Yeah, I figured I should ease into it considering I've dropped over 80# without any exercise at all.

04-07-2012, 07:33 PM	#6
maggielou66 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 31 Gallery: maggielou66 Stats: 260/145/145 WOE: hcg/JUDDD/no sugar Start Date: 10/10 (hcg-lost a total of 115 .bs) 3/24 - JUDDD	Awesome job on 80 lbs lost!

04-08-2012, 02:22 AM	#9
gotsomeold Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Asheville, NC / Marietta, Ga Posts: 3,287 Gallery: gotsomeold Stats: 175/127.6/GOAL at 128, size six fits! 5'4, 60yo WOE: JUDDD, PHD Start Date: LC/EFGT - 9/15/11, JUDDD - 1/1/12	1900ish/500 is a great place to start maintenance. Then tune your calories. I am betting you end up eating about significantly more on UD and 700-800 cals on DD (you poor thing!) Congratulations on working so hard, being so dedicated, and seeing such awesome results!

04-08-2012, 08:00 AM	#11
maggielou66 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 31 Gallery: maggielou66 Stats: 260/145/145 WOE: hcg/JUDDD/no sugar Start Date: 10/10 (hcg-lost a total of 115 .bs) 3/24 - JUDDD	[QUOT=While it's sort of true that it doesn't matter what you eat on your UD's, it's not totally true that it doesn't matter how much. The calculator gives you an UD number for a reason. That is considered your "normal" calorie number for weight loss, and DD cals are based off of that. Now, if you can eat "normally" without counting calories, then cool. But most of us tend to either under eat, or over eat if we aren't keeping track. And neither is optimal for this woe. It's not ALL about calories, but they certainly do play a role. So it's best to respect both the UD and DD numbers, and try to get close.[/QUOTE] Thanks for clearing that up; I was a little confused. I haven't been JUDDDg that long (2 weeks), but since I came off of hcg, I thought I would respond to this thread.

04-08-2012, 04:08 PM	#13
maggielou66 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 31 Gallery: maggielou66 Stats: 260/145/145 WOE: hcg/JUDDD/no sugar Start Date: 10/10 (hcg-lost a total of 115 .bs) 3/24 - JUDDD	I'm staying pretty much at 3-4 lbs above ldw. My ldw was 145 and my average since JUDDDg is 148.6.

04-08-2012, 04:58 PM	#14
CharlotteChick Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 96 Gallery: CharlotteChick Stats: 164/147/140 WOE: Post-hcg/high fat/low carbs Start Date: JUDD: March 27, 2012 :-)	I've done so many 500-calorie days on my rounds that this should be a breeze for me. -- TIA JUDDD is SUCH a breeze for those of us who've done HCG. 500 calorie days? No problem. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt Just remember -- on the HCG diet, we went slowly down, down, down almost every day. JUDDD is a bouncing ball. Your weight will go way up, then down, then down, then up! This is Day #12 for me -- I really like this WOE. Happy Easter!

04-09-2012, 04:58 PM	#17
BaileysGirl Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,639 Gallery: BaileysGirl Stats: 222/190.5/175 WOE: Juddd Start Date: Jan 12 2013	Violet - So you're coming right off hcg and going straight to JUDDD w/o doing P3/P4? I am into my 2nd week of P3 and do not want to do HCG again. It's so strict and though I am so happy with the loss, just don't think I can handle another round of hcg. I was thinking of starting JUDDD mid May after my vacation. I am going to do regular LC til then.

04-09-2012, 07:17 PM	#19
aarosali Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Maryland Posts: 163 Gallery: aarosali Stats: 172.4/172.4/150's 5'9" WOE: HCG/JUDDD Start Date: 3/25/12	I came off of hcg and straight to JUDDD. I've incorporated healthy as well as not so healthy carbs and did okay the first week of MWF DD. I'm at my first weekend of UDs and gained more than I expected. I gained a little each day even after excercising on Sunday (walked 5 miles). However, today was a DD and I only had 372 cals (a breeze after hcg) and can literally feel the weight coming off. I was down 2 lbs between breakfast and dinner and am eager to see how many more I lose. I'm doing 300-400 DD and 1900 UD.