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Old 03-30-2012, 09:28 AM   #1
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Advice from MUDDD experts please

I haven't tried MUDDDing yet but may give it a go over the next few days.

I am eating out tonight, which I try not to do too often on a DD and my hostess is cooking slow roasted belly pork. This will be delicious and high in calories. I don't see me getting away with under 700 calories before I eat or drink another thing, and I would like some wine and veggies!

I think I may try a MUDDD day. I have had only 75 cals since 8.30 last night, so at 7.30 this evening I could start a FD. My day tomorrow is a quiet one with no commitments so I could enjoy a nice breakfast and lunch then do a DD fast until Sunday evening when I am entertaining family.

Do you think 23 hours is long enough for today's fast?

Any comments would be appreciated.
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:36 AM   #2
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I'd say it's long enough. Especially if you want it to be.
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I replied to you on the "what are you eating" thread, and then saw this one so I'll put the reply here too.

I think it will work very well for you, Cindy. You don't even have to stay on MUDDD, but could mix it into your JUDDD plan now and then. For example, MUDDD on the weekends if you wanted and then go back to regular rotation during the week. Or just throw in a MUDDD day or two when you need/want them. Try it and see what you think. You're in maintenance and can be even more flexible now.

I do MUDDD often but then while I'm doing it I often will mix in other IF, such as Fast 5. For example, I might have several days in a row that are dd/FD, where I eat up to (or less than, it doesn't seem to matter) my normal DD calories during the day, then start my FD at 5 p.m. or so and go until bedtime. Then repeat the next day as needed/desired. This works out great for me when there is going to be an evening function or I know I'll be making something great and calorific for dinner and want to be able to join in. I get about 20 hours of DD level calories which is still an admirable intermittent fast in my book, and has worked well for me.

Anyway, I'm rambling on now, and I don't want to confuse you. Just don't be surprised if you lose even more weight in maintenance now if you do some MUDDDg.
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:47 AM   #4
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Thanks ladies, decision made.

Look out slow roast belly pork, here I come!
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Broken my fast with a few ginger biscuits and a lovely cup of tea.

Off to put my face on now.

Let the adventure begin.
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Just wanted chime in to say....MMMMmmmm....pork belly......
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Oh that was good... will have to watch very carefully over the next 24 hours.
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Toady was up .2 so that is nothing!

I had a bowl of bite size shredded wheat with skimmed milk for breakfast, and at lunch time a tuna and mayo sandwich. Also a Cappuccino.

Finished my MUDDD UD at 2pm.

6pm a soya flat white and I am now about to make some mushroom soup for my evening meal.

Tomorrow I will continue my DD until 6 pm when I'll be having a drink in the pub and cooking a lamb roast for the family.
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Toady was up .2 so that is nothing!

I had a bowl of bite size shredded wheat with skimmed milk for breakfast, and at lunch time a tuna and mayo sandwich. Also a Cappuccino.

Finished my MUDDD UD at 2pm.

6pm a soya flat white and I am now about to make some mushroom soup for my evening meal.

Tomorrow I will continue my DD until 6 pm when I'll be having a drink in the pub and cooking a lamb roast for the family.
Very good on all counts! It certainly makes maintenance a breeze to have all the options and flexibility!
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Thanks Sophie for your advice. Very happy here.
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How smoothly this worked for you, Cindy! Glad for you!!!

I've done MUDDD one time, and liked it. It actually felt very comfortable and natural!!
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Precisely Gracie. I can't believe how easy all this is. I love eating normal foods.

Today my lunchtime sandwich came from the store at the hospital where we were visiting my FIL. Times gone by I would have been unable to find a thing to eat there.
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I'm so glad y'all like my "baby"!

Unfortunately MUDDD didn't work so well for me in terms of weight loss (a few months ago...I might give it another try soon) but my feeling is that it could be perfect for maintenance! As simple & wonderful as JUDDD is, I found MUDDD to be even easier & more flexible.
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I'm so glad y'all like my "baby"!

Unfortunately MUDDD didn't work so well for me in terms of weight loss (a few months ago...I might give it another try soon) but my feeling is that it could be perfect for maintenance! As simple & wonderful as JUDDD is, I found MUDDD to be even easier & more flexible.
Most definitely!! I reached my original goal weight by MUDDDg, and have used it off and on in maintenance with great ease and enjoyment!

I have made it even easier on myself by modifying it further... to where I have dd/FD, eating DD calories until 5 p.m. and then switch over to a FD... which continues the ENTIRE next day.... then back to dd/FD the day after that. I supplement it sometimes to great effect by doing the dd/FD two or more days in a row, so it's like I'm doing several days of Fast 5.

I know it sounds confusing, lol, but it works so effortlessly for me according to what's going on in life and how I feel. It's just an intuitive, simple thing to me.

So glad you got me started down this free-wheeling path on maintenance, Jenny! Can't wait for you to join us here in Maintain Lane! We're saving a spot for you!
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Sorry double-posted again!

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Sophie, I completely understand what you're doing (it's kinda like 2/3rds DD and 4/3rds FD) because that's what I would "accidentally" do when I was MUDDDing! I couldn't stick to my cut-off time!

I am finding JUDDD much easier to do without my diabetes med...maybe it was making my bg go too low, because I would get SO hungry.

I kinda do the "Fast 5" (more like Fast 6 or 7 though lol) on UDs sometimes. Today for example I woke up at 5am and didn't eat til 2pm. Then finished dinner around 8:30 pm.

PS--I am thrilled it's working so well for you!!!
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Sophie, I completely understand what you're doing (it's kinda like 2/3rds DD and 4/3rds FD) because that's what I would "accidentally" do when I was MUDDDing! I couldn't stick to my cut-off time!

I am finding JUDDD much easier to do without my diabetes med...maybe it was making my bg go too low, because I would get SO hungry.

I kinda do the "Fast 5" (more like Fast 6 or 7 though lol) on UDs sometimes. Today for example I woke up at 5am and didn't eat til 2pm. Then finished dinner around 8:30 pm.

PS--I am thrilled it's working so well for you!!!
Most dieters say that maintenance is difficult and tedious,
but you sound like you're having a lovely time!
I totally get you on "Fast 6 or 7 or 8", lol! If these woe's weren't so forgiving, I wouldn't be getting anywhere, that's for sure, since I am a bend-the-rules kinda gal too!

So glad you're feeling better, sleeping better, and finding what works for you all around. I hope JUDDD is the ticket for you this time, and I think it will be. Sounds like you're off to a great re-start!

I really thought maintenance would be hectic, but you're right, it's been lovely! And I'm not the only one enjoying it so much - there's Kissa, Laurie, and others who are sailing along. We look forward to you and the other JUDDD buds joining us here on Easy Street. lol.
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This is very interesting, though I know you are experts in the field.

I have had one soya coffee and one banana today, it is 4pm.

This evening will roast lamb and all the trimmings with family. I will be starting with some wine and chips...
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It's so much easier to get thru a DD when I know I can have a "normal" dinner at the end of it, instead of hoping I won't be too hungry to fall asleep!
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This is very interesting, though I know you are experts in the field.

I have had one soya coffee and one banana today, it is 4pm.

This evening will roast lamb and all the trimmings with family. I will be starting with some wine and chips...
Isn't this sort of Fast Five? Or a similar Intermittent Fasting plan where you have *fasted* through the night while you slept, and then eat few calories until the evening meal, and then eat most of your calories for the day?

I knew a very fat man years ago. He lived up the road from us, in the country. Didn't see him often, but one day he came to our back door, and I didn't recognize him! He had simply started eating only one meal a day.. supper. And then, he enjoyed it, but kept it to a normal and lovely supper after his day of work.

We never called it IF back then, but that is certainly what it was. It sure worked wonders for him!

I tried it a couple of years ago. I apparently am very able to eat enough calories in a single evening window to maintain. Why would I expect my body to do anything else.
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Absolutely Pat. Although I have never looked into Fast Five or IF myself.

I had a DD dinner last night too. In fact, I would say my cals yesterday were less that 800, almost DD maintenance.

I will get through these few days of family visits and return to my regular rotations, because I am very happy with them. But this is a great tool as well.

Lucky us.
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Absolutely Pat. Although I have never looked into Fast Five or IF myself.

I had a DD dinner last night too. In fact, I would say my cals yesterday were less that 800, almost DD maintenance.

I will get through these few days of family visits and return to my regular rotations, because I am very happy with them. But this is a great tool as well.

Lucky us.
My most natural rhythm is to eat little until the day has progressed into midday, later afternoon, and evening, and my appetite progresses right along with it, so it is very easy and natural for me to eat a lot in the evening. I can see myself maintaining very, very easily doing Fast Five!
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Yes, it's quite Fast 5-ish, but I don't just eat the one meal in the evening. The way I do it is extra easy on me mentally, almost like not being on a diet, and it's so flexible. I can change things up on the fly if needed.

On a "dd/FD", I allow myself to have my full DD calories until 5 p.m. if I want/need them. And often I don't use them all, but there are times I want a nice breakfast or lunch with someone, and I don't really have to worry if I overdid it. I mean, for 600 calories I could have a Wendy's Jr. Cheeseburger Deluxe and Value fries with ketchup, and still have calories left if I wanted something. And knowing the FD eating started at 5 p.m., there was no worry that I'd already eaten all my calories for the day, lol.

After the dd/FD, I go on to a full FD the next day. But sometimes by the time it's bedtime on the night of the dd/FD, I know I've eaten (and drank) over 2000 calories by a quick mental estimate, and not wanting to overdo things, so instead of going on to the full FD the next day, I will just repeat the dd/FD pattern. I repeat this dd/FD as often as I want, sometimes 4 days in a row until either I stopped pigging out too much in the evening and felt justified to move on to the full FD, or a day in the week has come that I need to throw in the full FD... or whatever.

I'm always very satisfied with this, and though it sounds like there's not much fasting in there, I am going approximately 20 hours (sometimes more, sometimes less) on 300 - 850 calories, depending. And I do feel the hunger, and I do feel the "DD Glow" that I love during this time. And many times I am doing this pattern daily for several days in a row, and so each day I am getting the "mini DD" in there.

Anyway, didn't mean to go on so much, but I really do love how I'm eating in maintenance. I was doing this through the holidays, and then after those were over, I switched back to regular JUDDD in January, but had my DDs as M-W-F and the other days were FDs. I switched back to my modified MUDDD/F5 in late Feb. when my Dad went into the hospital and I needed the food and flexibility that my MUDDD/F5 pattern allowed.

And I've just stuck with it since everything worked out with him because I'm enjoying it so much. But I may go back to a few real JUDDD DDs here and there as I tend to do.
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My most natural rhythm is to eat little until the day has progressed into midday, later afternoon, and evening, and my appetite progresses right along with it, so it is very easy and natural for me to eat a lot in the evening. I can see myself maintaining very, very easily doing Fast Five!
I just read the Fast 5 book (It's really just a little booklet). And now I'm reading the Warrior Diet. Lots of good stuff to back up why IF works!!! And, HOW it works, too.

Pat: You would also thrive on the Warrior Diet. As I'm understanding it as I read, it's pretty much like Fast 5 except you don't count calories at all on the Warrior Diet. He gives you "tricks" to know when you should take a break when you are eating. Like, if you are eating your big evening meal and you find yourself feeling more thirsty than hungry, drink some water or maybe tea and relax for 10 minutes. Then if you are still hungry you can eat again.

It's an interesting read for sure.
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I just read the Fast 5 book (It's really just a little booklet). And now I'm reading the Warrior Diet. Lots of good stuff to back up why IF works!!! And, HOW it works, too.

Pat: You would also thrive on the Warrior Diet. As I'm understanding it as I read, it's pretty much like Fast 5 except you don't count calories at all on the Warrior Diet. He gives you "tricks" to know when you should take a break when you are eating. Like, if you are eating your big evening meal and you find yourself feeling more thirsty than hungry, drink some water or maybe tea and relax for 10 minutes. Then if you are still hungry you can eat again.

It's an interesting read for sure.
Well.. as long as the Warrior Diet allows for sometimes having breakfast up at the French Cafe, where fine coffee and pastries are amazing. So, despite not being all that hungry many mornings, there is always the ability to appreciate an opportunity to partake of their pastries.
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