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Old 06-12-2013, 05:54 PM   #31
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The "ideal" deficit is 1000 calories, Kim. That's what Dr. J said in the book, and what JB's have always said in here.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:40 PM   #32
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At least a 1000, but more is better. Kind of average calories are 1800/ 360 or 1600/ 300. Best just to use the calculator gives you for 20% weight loss to start and then tweak from there if need be.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:25 PM   #33
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Thanks guys for the info...I thought I remembered 1000 calories, but wanted to be surer... I won't be tweaking for awhile though
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:27 PM   #34
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Yeah, I would say 1000 would be the minimum.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:04 AM   #35
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I've been thinking about UD calories and why it is that experienced and seasoned maintainers insist on the importance of keeping them as high as practical.

I alluded to this in Yennie's interesting thread (currently, post#65): How did (or do) you pick your goal?
This refers to Layne Norton's views on metabolic adaptation/damage.

I recommend looking at Norton's views on metabolic adaptation as I think they have useful nuggets for weight loss/bodyfat loss in general. He particularly spoke about how to reintroduce food back once you're in maintenance and this raised some interesting aspects of JUDDD for me (particularly about why we have successful maintainers).

Norton argues that people should shed their bodyfat on the highest intake of energy/food that is practical as it gives them a buffer. If you're maintaining your weight and bodyfat on 2300kcals a day, it's easier to pare back to drop some of that fat from there than it is if you're only eating 1600kcals a day because you don't have much to drop before there are some reasonable considerations about being able to obtain all the nutrients that you need.

He also discusses the common phenomenon that people achieve the target weight/bodyfat, have a blow out or return to eating 'normally' and are horrified to discover that they seem to be channeling what feels like a disproportionate amount of that into their fat stores. He emphasises the need to start planning for maintenance before you transition to it.

He suggests adding carbs back slowly into the diet (and gives a good rationale for this - I suppose it's rather like Atkins' rungs). but it made me think about what some of the JUDDD maintainers are doing. By and large, because they're keeping up a rotation pattern, none of them seems to have introduced an unmanageable number of carbs. When they discovered they were still dropping weight, they changed to 4:3 or 5:2 and increased UD calories.

I'd be fascinated to know if there is a JUDDD protective effect from the SIRTs (I still don't know what I think about those) and/or the importance of keeping the UD calories as high as is practical while still maintaining fat loss.

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