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Old 03-10-2012, 12:26 PM   #1
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Wanna read an interesting article about JUDD type eating?

Just read this article and it literally shows how Intermittent Fasting works to burn fat and build muscle. One of the comments after the article (toggle down to find it) gives a great description from a doctor, briefly, about what exactly the body is doing that leads to the fat burn.

Google: artofmanliness Intermittent Fasting: A Beginner’s Guide

I'm going to check out the link to the free e-book. I'll let you know if I read it.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:31 PM   #2
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OK, just started reading the free e-book and decided already it's so worth it! Only took 2 seconds to download the PDF w/ Adobe reader. I'm really starting to like this Dr. Berrardi guy! Wonder if anyone has told him about the JUDDers!

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Thanks for posting this. I am in the process of reading the e-book. Love that I might actually be helping my health at the same time that I am losing weight.
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Hunger is not an emergency
Many people think hunger is an emergency and panic when it kicks in. But hunger
is just a feeling. Commit an entire day to fasting, and you’ll realize that hunger
really isn’t something to panic over. Nothing really bad happens if you miss a meal
or two. After all, our prehistoric ancestors didn’t have a Taco Bell on every corner.
We evolved to deal well with hunger. Allow yourself to get hungry. Then sit with the
feeling rather than trying to make it go away immediately.
Physical vs. psychological hunger
Often when people think they’re hungry, they’re not experiencing true physiological
(body) hunger, but rather psychological (head) hunger. The better you know the
difference between the two, the better you understand your body’s signals. By
the end of the day, you’ll feel real body hunger. In the future, use that feeling as a
reference point to interpret your appetite correctly.
Eating as a privilege
I’m the Director for a non-profit called The Healthy Food Bank. We raise funds and
food for food banks throughout North America. Most of that goes to families who
are “food-insecure.” They’re not people sleeping on sewer grates. They’re people
who are barely scraping by. They have food, just not enough to feed their kids
every meal, every day. Taking a day to fast reminds us that there are people out
there who fast regularly - not voluntarily - but because they don’t have food. We’re
reminded that eating is a privilege.
Eating as a responsibility
Eating is also a responsibility. When we cram our bodies full of fast, processed, lowquality
food, we’re not taking that responsibility very seriously. A day without food
resets our perspective. We can remember to not take eating for granted.
Food marketing
Food advertising and marketing often flies under our radar when we’re fed. But
that’s exactly what makes it so effective: It works on our subconscious. When
fasting, everything changes. Food marketing jumps out at us. We’re aware of the
manipulation. With awareness comes power. No more mindless junk food runs
prompted by billboards or radio commercials. Now you’re in control.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:49 PM   #5
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The above post is a quote directly from the e-book. Really good stuff I had never thought about!!!
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Thanks for posting this. I am in the process of reading the e-book. Love that I might actually be helping my health at the same time that I am losing weight.
That's exactly how I feel!! I guess that's why you and I are alike. I remember you saying you often read Dr. J's book at night for motivation. I'm an info junkie and the more I read about how something is good for you and the research behind it, the more it sticks in my brain and the new changes become a habit. Let's keep reading, my new friend!
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Thanks for posting, Yam. I read this several weeks ago and forgot to mention it to the forum - so glad you were on the ball!

His "Daily Fast" and the one in the e-book reminds me very much of how I do MUDDDg, only I don't always do the fast each day in a row, but usually like DD/FD - FD - DD/FD - FD and repeat....
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Oh, YAY! Sophie's here!

I'm still reading through the e-book. Lots of good stuff so far. Did you see Dr. Berardi's pictures of himself before/after IF for 6 months?? Holy Guacamole!!!! Sort of like eye candy.
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Can't help myself. Here is another interesting quote from Berardi's book:

NOTE FROM KRISTA:
HOW RAMADAN GOT
ME INTERESTED
IN INTERMITTENT
FASTING
I first became interested in
IF many years ago, when
a client contacted me to
ask about Ramadan and
muscle loss. During the
holy month of Ramadan,
for about 30 days,
observant Muslims fast
every day from sunrise to
sunset. The fast-breaking
evening meal is often a
big dinner. Seems like the
perfect scenario for muscle
loss and fat gain, right?
Well, I’m glad I checked
the clinical research before
smugly assuming that
Ramadan fasters’ muscles
were dissolving and their
bellies expanding. Turns
out, even though many
folks were chowing down on
large meals every evening,
they were sometimes
healthier during Ramadan
than the rest of the
year. In particular, heart
disease and markers of
inflammation decreased.
Given the concerns over how
well animal research applies
to humans, observant
Muslims make up a useful
human study group for
intermittent fasting. They’re
highly motivated to be
compliant, there are lots of
them, and researchers can
follow them for a month
every year. Plus, more
traditionally observant
Muslims (also Mormons,
another common fasting
study population) typically
avoid foods – such as
alcohol and junk food – that
might skew a study’s results.
About this time, new
research also suggested
that eating less (aka caloric
restriction, or CR) could
also improve longevity.
But daily CR – for the rest
of one’s life – seemed
horrible. CR advocates
looked like walking
skeletons, and the chronic
daily restriction slowed
their metabolism (including
hormone production) to
a crawl. Sure, they’d live
forever, but in that state,
who’d want to?
Thus, fasting periodically
seemed like a good way
to combine the longevity
benefits of CR with the
lowered inflammation
and other health benefits
of fasting, while still
maintaining hormonal
health and lean mass.

This research got my
attention. And like JB, I
decided to experiment.
problem

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I know that a lot of IF'ers fill up on coffee w cream throughout the day which really does not seem healthy to me but maybe the CR alone makes up for it.

I will NOT fast ever again as I spent the 70's and 80's doing prolonged fasts and it had become the F word.
But I will JUDDD and actually think I've figured it out!!

Now I will figure out for myself the health benefits of JUDDDing.....I am hopeful.

Funny thing, w my antifasting stance, DD's are so good for my bod. I actully look forward to them.
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I know that a lot of IF'ers fill up on coffee w cream throughout the day which really does not seem healthy to me but maybe the CR alone makes up for it.

I will NOT fast ever again as I spent the 70's and 80's doing prolonged fasts and it had become the F word.
But I will JUDDD and actually think I've figured it out!!

Now I will figure out for myself the health benefits of JUDDDing.....I am hopeful.

Funny thing, w my antifasting stance, DD's are so good for my bod. I actully look forward to them.
Sounds like you are figuring out what works for you! That's a good thing. I found it interesting to read that Dr. Berardi was having such success w/ IF that he decided to do it MORE. WRONG!! He found out from personal experience that more is not good. Sometimes LESS is More! I think that's why seasoned JUDDers don't recommend 2 DDs in a row. Our bodies benefit from occasional or Intermittent fasting. NOT PROLONGED FASTS!

Glad you are finding your own way.
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Interesting article. Thanks for sharing. I just downloaded the e-book too and will get to it soon.
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That's interesting. I am not trying to criticize anyone's methods, or your commentary on it, but I would not call having cream all day long (at 50 calories a tablespoon) a "fast." To me, a fast is "no calories," or at least no more calories than you will find in tea or coffee without cream.

The point of what I am saying (yes, there really **is** a point!) is that when someone tells me they are "fasting," from this I will know that I should find out what their definition of "fast" is, if I am trying to learn something from what they are telling me.
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^^ I agree. I've seen people say they "juice fast" and they consume fruit juices all day = loads of calories!
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Great read YamYAm thanks for posting, i too have down loaded the book and will read it today .. i never thought about the health beniifts of doing this.. i was only in it for the vanity issues lol
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great link ! I read the book yesterday (after reading Dr J's book on friday evening !)
I was reading, thinking about the "PhD" guy who wrote that as an old guy in white, wearing glasses, with a beard maybe and then I got to the before/after pics !!! wow ! even Ross Geller PhD can't beat that
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That's interesting. I am not trying to criticize anyone's methods, or your commentary on it, but I would not call having cream all day long (at 50 calories a tablespoon) a "fast." To me, a fast is "no calories," or at least no more calories than you will find in tea or coffee without cream.

The point of what I am saying (yes, there really **is** a point!) is that when someone tells me they are "fasting," from this I will know that I should find out what their definition of "fast" is, if I am trying to learn something from what they are telling me.
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^^ I agree. I've seen people say they "juice fast" and they consume fruit juices all day = loads of calories!
See, I always thought "fasting" meant abstaining from food. Liquids were okay. And juice fasting isn't always about fruit juices--lots of juice fasters drink "green" juices that are mostly vegetables and very low-calorie compared to fruit juices.
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Then there's the "egg fast" or "meat and egg fast" which is definitely not a low or no-cal fast. I think many use the term "fast" to mean whatever particular food or drink they are consuming that day.
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And it can also be used by some of us to mean low calories or much lower calories than one normally eats. I've know I've gotten into this habit of calling my DDs "fasts" even though I eat hundreds of calories during them. But what I meant by the above was more about the similarity of the schedules between my MUDDDg DD and his Daily Fast.

Sorry for the confusion!
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great link ! I read the book yesterday (after reading Dr J's book on friday evening !)
I was reading, thinking about the "PhD" guy who wrote that as an old guy in white, wearing glasses, with a beard maybe and then I got to the before/after pics !!! wow ! even Ross Geller PhD can't beat that
Like I said, before, eye candy, right? I cracked up thinking of you reading the whole thing and picturing him old and then seeing those. lol!
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Dr. J says something about the whole "is it really fasting" thing in his book, but I can't remember exactly what. It was something about his idea of fasting is when we practice extreme calorie restriction and I think he defines it as consuming less than 50% of your maintainance or BMR calories in a 24 hour period. Or, technically, skipping even one meal is actually fasting.
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Wow, you guys are funny! That never occurred to me. I have several close friends who are Ph.D.'s, and not only are they hunk-y, I'm old enough to be their mother (alas)!

Oh, and one I don't know personally, but wish I did: Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson! I'd be his Momma any day! Though I am pretty sure his real mother would object!
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The definition of "fast" varies widely. Most of us know it vaguely from religious aspects (Ramadan, Lenten fasts, not eating meat on Fridays, etc.). Religious fasts often include food. Ramadan is a daylight fast, with one meal in the evening. The Orthodox Christians fast a good part of the year. Roman Catholics have specific feast and fast days.

You want a confusing list of fasting rules, I think the Orthodox have it down to a science... The Fasting Rule of the Orthodox Church
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Bumping this up in case anyone is interested. There have been lots of discussions and questions about the benefits of JUDD.
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Oh, YAY! Sophie's here!

I'm still reading through the e-book. Lots of good stuff so far. Did you see Dr. Berardi's pictures of himself before/after IF for 6 months?? Holy Guacamole!!!! Sort of like eye candy.
I love your enthusiasm, Yam!

I read the posts, but sometimes I'm slow to get back to answering them on one thing or another. I've been known to go several pages back into the old thread to reply to something I'd been thinking about or just hadn't got around to yet.... But Oh yeah, saw those pics!
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Thanks for posting, Yam. I read this several weeks ago and forgot to mention it to the forum - so glad you were on the ball!

His "Daily Fast" and the one in the e-book reminds me very much of how I do MUDDDg, only I don't always do the fast each day in a row, but usually like DD/FD - FD - DD/FD - FD and repeat....
I have good luck with stacking my meals on my UDs at breakfast and lunch. I usually have a small, almost snack-like dinner around 3-4pm. After working out, I don't get home until 8pm - sometimes 9 -9:30 and don't like to eat that late. The next day, I just do a normal DD, but I try to spread my calories out in the same way - larger B and L, snacky dinner. This works for me for hunger reasons, but maybe because I do a "fast" every day...kind of.

All I know is...I am loving this.
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I have good luck with stacking my meals on my UDs at breakfast and lunch. I usually have a small, almost snack-like dinner around 3-4pm. After working out, I don't get home until 8pm - sometimes 9 -9:30 and don't like to eat that late. The next day, I just do a normal DD, but I try to spread my calories out in the same way - larger B and L, snacky dinner. This works for me for hunger reasons, but maybe because I do a "fast" every day...kind of.

All I know is...I am loving this.
Me too! I mean, from the time I quit eating the night before until I start eating again the next day, whether it's UD or DD, there is usually at least 12 - 15 hours until my next food since I'm not normally a b'fast eater.
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