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Old 03-08-2012, 01:12 PM   #1
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So, I was watching a re-run of Dr. Oz that I had recorded. His guest was Chris Powell and they were explaining carb/protein cycling. (One day you eat lots of carbs, low fat. The next day you eat high protein, up the fat, very low carb and you cycle or rotate every other day).

Anyway, I thought of JUDD and why it works.

Powell said higher calorie/carb days BOOST your metabolism and then protein days BURN fat. But it's the metabolism BOOSTING that makes the fat BURNING possible.

Then he had the audience chanting "boost! burn! Boost! Burn!"

That's exactly what the JUDD WOE does. UDs boost; DDs Burn.

It's like a light bulb turning on in my head. Just wanted to share.

I know Pat has talked about this when she describes the piston like visual and I loved her description. The boost-burn idea builds on that visual.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:17 PM   #2
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:17 PM   #3
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Thanks for the recap, Y!

Another thing is, I've noticed my DDs tend to be higher protein naturally, since that's what helps me feel full and stay full longer. They are also naturally very low carb days for me, if nothing else but for simply the low amount of calories eaten.

The next day, I do tend to eat higher in carbs as I enjoy things I didn't eat on my vLC diet, such as breads or rice or pasta or sweets. This is interspersed with veggies, fruits, meats, fats, etc.

So every other day pretty much I am doing a type of carb/protein cycling, at least on some small level. I bet a lot of us are.
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I just looked at my carbs over the last month for another thread, and figured I'm doing under 50 on down days, generally, and up days range from 110 - 250, mostly around 150-160. I wonder if that's the kind of spread they were talking about. Hmmm.
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Thanks for the recap, Y!

Another thing is, I've noticed my DDs tend to be higher protein naturally, since that's what helps me feel full and stay full longer. They are also naturally very low carb days for me, if nothing else but for simply the low amount of calories eaten.

The next day, I do tend to eat higher in carbs as I enjoy things I didn't eat on my vLC diet, such as breads or rice or pasta or sweets. This is interspersed with veggies, fruits, meats, fats, etc.

So every other day pretty much I am doing a type of carb/protein cycling, at least on some small level. I bet a lot of us are.
I'd say that's true for me, too. I don't intentionally do LC on DDs, but tend to lean that way, as protein/veggies/fiber keep me full longer.

Every now and then I will have a Light Thomas's English muffin on a DD - but even those are loaded with fiber which offsets the higher carbs to some degree.

This is good stuff! Boost, Burn, Boost, Burn! (Now if that "burn" would just warm me up! )
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Do you guys think there is more benefit upping the carbs on up days? I tried Juddd a while ago with carbs and went crazy. I couldn't control my up days. I have been doing great the past 3 weeks but staying under 20 carbs a day. Should I try to up the carbs a bit more on up days?
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Do you guys think there is more benefit upping the carbs on up days? I tried Juddd a while ago with carbs and went crazy. I couldn't control my up days. I have been doing great the past 3 weeks but staying under 20 carbs a day. Should I try to up the carbs a bit more on up days?
IMHO the answer to your first question is "yes-BUT". My experience is that when I have a higher carb intake on my UD and then do my DD I see a big drop in the scale. Recently I had a 3 pound drop after a DD when upping my carbs on UDs.

The BUT comes in here. Sometimes upping the carbs, even on an UD, sets off my cravings. Like you said, I tend to go crazy and cannot stop. So, when DD comes the day after, I really suffer. I want to go out and eat the shingles of my neighbor's roof!

When that happens, I have to watch it on the carbs for a few days to get rid of the cravings. Otherwise my UDs turn into Up and Over days and my DDs turn into the same thing, defeating the purpose!

For people who don't have my carb-crave problem, I'd say ideally, upping complex carbs on UDs will probably speed up the metabolism. However, if I can't stick to a DD because of the cravings created on the UDs, I figure I'm shooting myself in the foot. Better for me to lose more slowly, I think.
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After a couple of months I have found that eating high carbs on UD's does not make me crave more. I am back to normal eating in my opinion. I can eat one Goo Goo cluster and am perfectly happy. Now when I first started JUDDD, that was not the case.
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Do you guys think there is more benefit upping the carbs on up days? I tried Juddd a while ago with carbs and went crazy. I couldn't control my up days. I have been doing great the past 3 weeks but staying under 20 carbs a day. Should I try to up the carbs a bit more on up days?
I think the problem some people run into is increasing their carbs a LOT, really FAST.

If you could increase slowly, perhaps a week at a time, and in the order that Dr. Atkins sort of planned out, perhaps you will find that you are able to enjoy UD eating at a more moderate carb level without going overboard.

Many of us who eat at that level didn't do well on the extremely low *induction* range of carbs anyway. For myself, I found I lost much better at a little higher level of carbs than induction numbers.

But if you just take it a tiny baby step at a time, you should be able to recognize if that last step took you beyond where you need to stop and hold, and you can back off. I'm saying that if you don't believe you will ever be trustworthy around chocolate chip cookies, perhaps you will be just fine around an occasional bowl of breakfast oatmeal. If you can't bring home loaves of whole grain bakery breads, maybe a basket of mixed fresh fruits would work for you. If you can't ever indulge in white potatoes, a lot of folks find that sweet potatoes work for them OK.

I appreciate all of the macro-nutrients of fat/protein/carbohydrate and believe we are intended to include all of it in our diets, so I do. But we all have to proceed in this direction carefully so that we find the place where our balance is just about perfect. And then we can finally indulge a little while we relax a lot, and trust JUDDD to make it all work for us.
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After a couple of months I have found that eating high carbs on UD's does not make me crave more. I am back to normal eating in my opinion. I can eat one Goo Goo cluster and am perfectly happy. Now when I first started JUDDD, that was not the case.
I've seen you post this before.. about the Goo Goo cluster, and I have to ask you what that is?

I'm becoming convinced that I'm missing out on something wonderful. LOLOL
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I've seen you post this before.. about the Goo Goo cluster, and I have to ask you what that is?

I'm becoming convinced that I'm missing out on something wonderful. LOLOL
I'm intrigued as well. I'm imagining chocolate, caramel, nuts maybe, coconut? Either way, it sounds delicious!
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From googoo.com

THE ORIGINAL

In 1912, Goo Goo Cluster altered what was possible in the world of candy by combining more than one element. As Goo Goo Cluster marches into its second century, it is still made with real milk chocolate, caramel, peanuts and marshmallow nougat.

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Serving Size 1 Piece (50g)

Amount Per Serving / Calories 240, Calories from Fat 110, Total Fat 12g 19%DV, Saturated Fat 5g 26%DV, Trans Fat 0g, Cholesterol less than 5mg 1%DV, Sodium 70mg 3%DV, Total Carbohydrate 30g 10%DV, Dietary Fiber 1g 5%DV, Sugars 23g, Protein 4g, Vitamin A 0%, Vitamin C 0%, Calcium 4%, Iron 2%

Percent Daily Values (DV) are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
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I love this and its so true and I am one that added carbs very slowly and it took my body a while to really adjust to eating carbs. I started with maybe 50 on UDs, did that for a week or so, then played with going up to 100, gained quits a bit, tapered back a little bug then went back up and now I am up to eating 100 to 200 carbs on UDs and DDs are low, about 30 to 40. I'm holding between 143 and 146 and am very happy. I never thought I would be eating this many carbs again, ever. I feel better than I ever have in my life. I love eating this way and love just feeling so good. I would love to tell the world how wonderful JUDDD is!
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THE ORIGINAL

In 1912, Goo Goo Cluster altered what was possible in the world of candy by combining more than one element. As Goo Goo Cluster marches into its second century, it is still made with real milk chocolate, caramel, peanuts and marshmallow nougat.

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Serving Size 1 Piece (50g)

Amount Per Serving / Calories 240, Calories from Fat 110, Total Fat 12g 19%DV, Saturated Fat 5g 26%DV, Trans Fat 0g, Cholesterol less than 5mg 1%DV, Sodium 70mg 3%DV, Total Carbohydrate 30g 10%DV, Dietary Fiber 1g 5%DV, Sugars 23g, Protein 4g, Vitamin A 0%, Vitamin C 0%, Calcium 4%, Iron 2%

Percent Daily Values (DV) are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

OK, so in other words.. pretty much RIGHT UP MY ALLEY!

I don't think I've ever seen a Goo Goo Cluster offered in this area. I wonder if it's a regional candy?
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After a couple of months I have found that eating high carbs on UD's does not make me crave more. I am back to normal eating in my opinion. I can eat one Goo Goo cluster and am perfectly happy. Now when I first started JUDDD, that was not the case.
It's been ages since I've had a Goo Goo Cluster! Now I must find one soon.
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I buy mine at Tractor Supply. Boy have they gone up in price. One is $1.29. Tractor Supply only sells the original but there are other varieties. They are manufactured in Nashville.
The Dollar Store used to sell the peanut butter ones but I searched all over our local Dollar Store and they had none. So it is tractor supply or nothing. My little reward for finding a new diet that WORKS.
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So, I just googled "pictures of goo goo clusters". OMGosh. And, in addition to pictures, you get all the ingredients and it sounds like something we all NEED to have once in a while!!! going to eat my sugar free fudge cycle right now...
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Not entirely sure that Mr Powell had the the Goo Goo Clusters in his mind on that show, but it doesn't take JUDDDers long to get to the heart of the matter.
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ABC put out the numbers,

"While carbs are welcome in Powell’s plan, calories still count.
The average woman consumes about 1,200 calories per day on a low-carb day, 1,500 calories per day on a high-carb day and up to 2,400 calories per day on a cheat day while following the plan, according to Powell."

What they didn't do was to define "average woman". I wonder if he suggests more calories initially for those whose weight is way over average?

Doesn't he promote commercial "shakes"? I can't stand the idea of drinking something like that.




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So, I was watching a re-run of Dr. Oz that I had recorded. His guest was Chris Powell and they were explaining carb/protein cycling. (One day you eat lots of carbs, low fat. The next day you eat high protein, up the fat, very low carb and you cycle or rotate every other day).

Anyway, I thought of JUDD and why it works.

Powell said higher calorie/carb days BOOST your metabolism and then protein days BURN fat. But it's the metabolism BOOSTING that makes the fat BURNING possible.

Then he had the audience chanting "boost! burn! Boost! Burn!"

That's exactly what the JUDD WOE does. UDs boost; DDs Burn.

It's like a light bulb turning on in my head. Just wanted to share.

I know Pat has talked about this when she describes the piston like visual and I loved her description. The boost-burn idea builds on that visual.
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I like the principal though, and a lot of people find LC foods satisfying on DD.

I am with you on the shakes NoWeigh (great name!), real food for me.
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You people who've never had a goo goo cluster are SOOO missing out--I'm sorry to say

Amen!!
They have always been my favorite even when I was too thin before DS arrived at age 40. LOVE GOO GOO CLUSTERS>
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You people who've never had a goo goo cluster are SOOO missing out--I'm sorry to say

So, after seeing the pictures and subsequently drooling all over myself, I am entirely disappointed that they have peanuts in them. I'm cursing the day that I ever asked what a goo goo cluster is because now I will never know the sweet delight of actually consuming one.

On a lighter note, here is one of my favorites, found everywhere on the East Coast and only for a few years out here in the hottest place on Earth.

Mallomars.

The second pic is the "TastyKake Kandy Kake" and was a childhood favorite. They don't sell them out here anymore and I can't eat them anymore, but I still dream in techni-tastykake!
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Oh, Oh, Oh, one of my most most most favorite treats on this earth!

Tastykakes!!!!

Since I was born and raised in Philly, they were available at all times. Their factory was on Roosevelt Blvd, one of the main thoroughfares there.

If I start eating them, then I will be in trouble. I can resist just about anything; not Tastykakes.
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I have never seen a tastykake. Now I want to try one since they are getting rave reviews. Never had a mallomar either BUT I am going to NY state in May and if these are still sold in that area, I am going to buy one of each to try. Something to look forward to.
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