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Old 02-28-2012, 09:51 AM   #1
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Please Critique my UD/DD numbers

Jan 30-February 26
Hi Ladies,
This is my 9th week of Juddd (started on Jan 3) . I lost 11.8 pounds total (6.4 in the first 4 weeks).

I copied and pasted my daily calorie intake spreadsheet for this month here to see if someone can determine if I am progressing at a decent pace or if I need to adjust my numbers. I admit that I have been going a little crazy with the sugar consumption.

Day/Jan 30-Feb 5/Feb 6-Feb-12/Feb 13-19/Feb 20-26

Monday 77 798 1738 493
Tuesday 1995 1514 485 1853
Wednesday 831 804 1801 507
Thursday 1733 1783 370 1883
Friday 488 719 1764 491
Saturday 1409 1854 505 1935
Sunday 1635 464 1845 764

Average Daily
Calorie Intake: 1167/1134/1215/1132

Total Week: 8168/7936/8508/7926

Weight at weeks-end (Fridays):210.6/207.8/206.8/205.2

Total Weight Loss (lbs):5.4

Any suggestions? Tips? By the way, I am a 5ft 5in 38 year old.

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Old 02-28-2012, 11:06 AM   #2
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You know what, looking at this, I am confused myself and it is my information.

Let's try this way:

M,T,W,TH,F,S,SU

Week 1: 77, 1995, 831, 1733, 719, 1409, 1635
Week 2: 798, 1514, 804, 1783, 719, 1854, 464
Week 3: 1738, 485, 1801, 370, 1764, 505, 1845
Week 4: 493, 1853, 507, 1883, 491, 1935, 764


Average Daily
Calorie Intake: 1167/1134/1215/1132

Total Cals for the Week: 8168/7936/8508/7926

Weight
Wk 1: 210.6
Wk 2: 207.8
Wk 3: 206.8
Wk 4: 205.2

Total Weight Loss (lbs):5.4

Easier to read?
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:26 AM   #3
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Your numbers seem to be working for you, so why mess around with them? You are losing at a great clip so I would just leave well enough alone.

If it ain't broke, why fix it? Messing with the numbers that are working well for you may either make you stall or not lose as well are you are.

Again, I would leave well enough alone.
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Your numbers seem to be working for you, so why mess around with them? You are losing at a great clip so I would just leave well enough alone.

If it ain't broke, why fix it? Messing with the numbers that are working well for you may either make you stall or not lose as well are you are.

Again, I would leave well enough alone.
Really?

I guess maybe I thought my losses seemed pretty ordinary compared to all the other great threads I have seen on here. I guess a part of me feels guilty that I am able to get away with eating snickers bars and the like. I am waiting for my punishment..
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Really?

I guess maybe I thought my losses seemed pretty ordinary compared to all the other great threads I have seen on here. I guess a part of me feels guilty that I am able to get away with eating snickers bars and the like. I am waiting for my punishment..
No punishment, just a nice, easy way of eating and nice weight loss rewards!! You are doing so well, don't second guess your plan now!! PLUS, slow and steady helps to keep that weight off better, it seems!!
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No punishment, just a nice, easy way of eating and nice weight loss rewards!! You are doing so well, don't second guess your plan now!! PLUS, slow and steady helps to keep that weight off better, it seems!!
Thanks sooo much for responding!! Slow and steady is good. As long as the scale keeps going down...I have a lot of weight to lose.
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When our super-stars post ten pounds a week or a month, I remind myself that a pound or two a week adds down. And I am losing more than I did on any other woe. AND I am really feeling energized and seeing signs of improving health. Then, if it is an UD, I adjust my planned calories, eat a chocolate, and smile.
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The only thing I notice is that you have quite a variance in your Down Day numbers from DD to DD, and quite a variance in your Up Day numbers from UD to UD. It might work just a bit faster for you if you can hold closer to your calorie numbers now. At least worth a try for two or three weeks to see if that helps.

The calculator gives your numbers at about 400/2000, with that 400 DD number being at the 20% loss rate, which is the one for fastest weight loss, so you can easily raise that DD number and still should lose well. Many don't ever lower their DD calories much below 500 and still lose well.

As to raising your UD numbers closer to the number given you... Dr. Johnson states in his book that we don't have to eat up to our UD calorie number if we don't feel like it, but in practice, we've sure noticed that it very often helps people lose faster, and holding your calories down on Up Days tends to put pressure on metabolism to slow it down.. rather than to stimulate it to speed up a bit. There seems to be something that is stimulating to a metabolism and helps it rev up faster when there is a nice spread between your UD and DD calorie numbers. I always liken it to a piston, pounding down and also pounding up... and sort of driving our metabolism up with that action. It's sure helped many of us!

I certainly want to congratulate you on your weight loss so far! It's always fun to have the number on that scale several POUNDS less as each month ends!!!

(And you aren't the only one who has gone a little overboard at the beginning with adding back in some of the sugar or other things we have been deprived of previously. And then, after a little while, you sort of *get it out of your system*, so to speak, and you get into just good healthful foods for the most part.) (But, to my way of thinking, that includes an occasional slice of cherry pie!)
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When our super-stars post ten pounds a week or a month, I remind myself that a pound or two a week adds down. And I am losing more than I did on any other woe. AND I am really feeling energized and seeing signs of improving health. Then, if it is an UD, I adjust my planned calories, eat a chocolate, and smile.
Drool...chocolate.


Great advice. You are right.
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When our super-stars post ten pounds a week or a month, I remind myself that a pound or two a week adds down. And I am losing more than I did on any other woe. AND I am really feeling energized and seeing signs of improving health. Then, if it is an UD, I adjust my planned calories, eat a chocolate, and smile.
I like your philosophy. I am actually losing at the same rate as when I was doing straight 1200 a day, but it's cool. I might try to limit my carbs to under 100 gms and see how that affects my weight loss.
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The only thing I notice is that you have quite a variance in your Down Day numbers from DD to DD, and quite a variance in your Up Day numbers from UD to UD. It might work just a bit faster for you if you can hold closer to your calorie numbers now. At least worth a try for two or three weeks to see if that helps.

The calculator gives your numbers at about 400/2000, with that 400 DD number being at the 20% loss rate, which is the one for fastest weight loss, so you can easily raise that DD number and still should lose well. Many don't ever lower their DD calories much below 500 and still lose well.

As to raising your UD numbers closer to the number given you... Dr. Johnson states in his book that we don't have to eat up to our UD calorie number if we don't feel like it, but in practice, we've sure noticed that it very often helps people lose faster, and holding your calories down on Up Days tends to put pressure on metabolism to slow it down.. rather than to stimulate it to speed up a bit. There seems to be something that is stimulating to a metabolism and helps it rev up faster when there is a nice spread between your UD and DD calorie numbers. I always liken it to a piston, pounding down and also pounding up... and sort of driving our metabolism up with that action. It's sure helped many of us!

I certainly want to congratulate you on your weight loss so far! It's always fun to have the number on that scale several POUNDS less as each month ends!!!

(And you aren't the only one who has gone a little overboard at the beginning with adding back in some of the sugar or other things we have been deprived of previously. And then, after a little while, you sort of *get it out of your system*, so to speak, and you get into just good healthful foods for the most part.) (But, to my way of thinking, that includes an occasional slice of cherry pie!)
Thanks for the wonderful advice!!

I will change my numbers right away and stick to that as you suggest. I can guarantee ya I have no problem with upping my UD cals to 2000! It will be my pleasure...
As for the 400 DD's, I might need to give up the non-dairy creamer empty cals. Oh, and purchase some more fish. Lower cals, higher protein..

I am excited!! I promise to report back.
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Thanks for the wonderful advice!!

I will change my numbers right away and stick to that as you suggest. I can guarantee ya I have no problem with upping my UD cals to 2000! It will be my pleasure...
As for the 400 DD's, I might need to give up the non-dairy creamer empty cals. Oh, and purchase some more fish. Lower cals, higher protein..

I am excited!! I promise to report back.
Well, there's no way to guarantee that this will make any difference in rate of fat shed at all, or even that it will result in the rate you are losing at right now, but there's only one way to find out. I'm only saying.. it's the numbers that apply to you right now, according to Dr. Johnson's way of figuring.

If it helps, that's fabulous. If your rate of weight loss is the same, at least you are eating a few more calories on your UDs, so that's always a bonus, and if it proves to be too many UD calories, and your weight loss slows way down... Oh, Well... at least you gave it a shot. You can always go back to those lower numbers you have been doing.

But I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that this maybe helps weight loss just a smidge as well as being even more fun and generous on those Up Days!
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Thanks for the wonderful advice!!

I will change my numbers right away and stick to that as you suggest. I can guarantee ya I have no problem with upping my UD cals to 2000! It will be my pleasure...
As for the 400 DD's, I might need to give up the non-dairy creamer empty cals. Oh, and purchase some more fish. Lower cals, higher protein..

I am excited!! I promise to report back.
And I suggest if you can't keep that DD number to 400 then up it some. I upped mine to 700 from the start and did very well on that number. My UD number were 1650 and adding the 2 I got 2350 which divided into 2 days gave me 1175 calories a day and I lost wonderfully on these numbers.

Here is something that may help too: Don't Let Those DD Calories Scare You Into NOT Trying JUDDD!
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I do find limiting carbs seems to keep my weight loss more consistent. Not avoiding carbs (obviously ), but some days I have none and, when I include them, I limit the volume. I encourage you to run some tests on yourself to find out what feels best AND results in weight loss.
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I do find limiting carbs seems to keep my weight loss more consistent. Not avoiding carbs (obviously ), but some days I have none and, when I include them, I limit the volume. I encourage you to run some tests on yourself to find out what feels best AND results in weight loss.
Hmm, that's interesting. How much to you limit carbs on UDs? I was thinking to try 50-100 max consistently. And try to get most of that from veggies, and whole grains if possible (a little fruit).

I have a feeling I might be mildly hypoglycemic because of the way I feel after eating vast quantities of carbs (though I keep coming back for more). I might ask my doc to test me next week during my visit.
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Hmm, that's interesting. How much to you limit carbs on UDs? I was thinking to try 50-100 max consistently. And try to get most of that from veggies, and whole grains if possible (a little fruit).

I have a feeling I might be mildly hypoglycemic because of the way I feel after eating vast quantities of carbs (though I keep coming back for more). I might ask my doc to test me next week during my visit.
That's always a great idea.

Fasting food plans, regardless of the foods eaten, are shown to bring about lowering and normalizing of blood sugar... decreasing metabolic resistance, increasing the body's ability to respond normally to insulin, etc. Going low carb with diet is a way of just not giving your body very many carbs to respond TO... but it is thought that as you take the carbohydrate from your diet, your body reduces the numbers of insulin receptors it has. A sort of *use it or lose it* cause and response.

So if you are ever going to include more than very low levels of carbohydrate foods in your lifetime's diet, consider carefully just how low you want to hold now. Very low carb can give you nice water weight losses to lower your weight reading on the scale, but if you are ever going to include the carbs again, that water weight will be regained, and show up on the scale again... It's one of the reasons be get some big bounces on the scale.

I'll see if I run across a study or two about losing a portion of insulin receptors in response to removing carbohydrate from the diet. Well, in the next few days. LOL

Hope you continue to lose weight on JUDDD and are enjoying your foods as well.
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And I suggest if you can't keep that DD number to 400 then up it some. I upped mine to 700 from the start and did very well on that number. My UD number were 1650 and adding the 2 I got 2350 which divided into 2 days gave me 1175 calories a day and I lost wonderfully on these numbers.

Here is something that may help too: Don't Let Those DD Calories Scare You Into NOT Trying JUDDD!
Thanks for the link! It is nice to know that I do have the option of eating more on DDs (if I need to). Honestly speaking, the perfect setup for me hunger-wise would be a 700 DD. Technically, I should still be in 35% weight loss mode at that number too.

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That's always a great idea.

Fasting food plans, regardless of the foods eaten, are shown to bring about lowering and normalizing of blood sugar... decreasing metabolic resistance, increasing the body's ability to respond normally to insulin, etc. Going low carb with diet is a way of just not giving your body very many carbs to respond TO... but it is thought that as you take the carbohydrate from your diet, your body reduces the numbers of insulin receptors it has. A sort of *use it or lose it* cause and response.

So if you are ever going to include more than very low levels of carbohydrate foods in your lifetime's diet, consider carefully just how low you want to hold now. Very low carb can give you nice water weight losses to lower your weight reading on the scale, but if you are ever going to include the carbs again, that water weight will be regained, and show up on the scale again... It's one of the reasons be get some big bounces on the scale.

I'll see if I run across a study or two about losing a portion of insulin receptors in response to removing carbohydrate from the diet. Well, in the next few days. LOL

Hope you continue to lose weight on JUDDD and are enjoying your foods as well.
Great post! I look forward to reading more on this, thanks!

To the bolded, isn't that wonderful? So maybe the longer I do this, the better off I will be in that regard.
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Okay so it has been 13 days. I have been eating at the new level of 2000/400.
3/1: 406
3/2: 2146
3/3: 502
3/4: 1992
3/5: 522
3/6: 1837
3/7: 335
3/8: 1913
3/9: 445
3/10: 2299
3/11: 407
3/12: 2303
3/13: As of today, I have gone over my UD numbers 3 times. I have only made DD target once. My weight as of today is 203.0.
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When our super-stars post ten pounds a week or a month, I remind myself that a pound or two a week adds down.
Also keep in mind that those ten pounds in a month may have been in fits and starts. I only post when I lose, not when the scale is higher, so you only get "good news" from me on the weight loss thread. I just keep working the plan until I see another loss. I go weeks bouncing, and then when it settles, it's four or five pounds.

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I like your philosophy. I am actually losing at the same rate as when I was doing straight 1200 a day, but it's cool. I might try to limit my carbs to under 100 gms and see how that affects my weight loss.
You make a good point. I find that I'm losing at about the rate I would on 1200/day, too (which makes sense, since my weekly average is 1200-1400). But after two weeks of 1200/day, I'd be ravenous, deprived, and ready for a binge. On JUDDD, I don't need that outlet because I can eat so much on UDs. It's really changed how I look at formerly trigger foods. The idea that I can't NOT have it... I just can't have it NOW makes a boatload of difference to me.
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You make a good point. I find that I'm losing at about the rate I would on 1200/day, too (which makes sense, since my weekly average is 1200-1400). But after two weeks of 1200/day, I'd be ravenous, deprived, and ready for a binge. On JUDDD, I don't need that outlet because I can eat so much on UDs. It's really changed how I look at formerly trigger foods. The idea that I can't NOT have it... I just can't have it NOW makes a boatload of difference to me.
^^This! I feel so much happier with this WOE. And my DDs are downright spiritual.

I will finish off the month at the 2000/400 and see how much I lose. I tend to lose most of my weight in the 2 weeks after TOM, so I am praying for a whoosh.
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You make a good point. I find that I'm losing at about the rate I would on 1200/day, too (which makes sense, since my weekly average is 1200-1400). But after two weeks of 1200/day, I'd be ravenous, deprived, and ready for a binge. On JUDDD, I don't need that outlet because I can eat so much on UDs. It's really changed how I look at formerly trigger foods. The idea that I can't NOT have it... I just can't have it NOW makes a boatload of difference to me.
Threadjack here, but I've found the same as well. I used to think things like cheese (even cream cheese), certain nuts, gourmet chocolate treats, even wine/champagne etc were huge trigger foods to be avoided at all costs because I couldn't stop eating them and they always caused a stall or weight gain. Now I have them from time to time in normal and even small amounts, and never feel like binging on them, and they never trigger anything nor do they affect my weight.
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You make a good point. I find that I'm losing at about the rate I would on 1200/day, too (which makes sense, since my weekly average is 1200-1400). But after two weeks of 1200/day, I'd be ravenous, deprived, and ready for a binge. On JUDDD, I don't need that outlet because I can eat so much on UDs. It's really changed how I look at formerly trigger foods. The idea that I can't NOT have it... I just can't have it NOW makes a boatload of difference to me.
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^^This! I feel so much happier with this WOE. And my DDs are downright spiritual.
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Threadjack here, but I've found the same as well. I used to think things like cheese (even cream cheese), certain nuts, gourmet chocolate treats, even wine/champagne etc were huge trigger foods to be avoided at all costs because I couldn't stop eating them and they always caused a stall or weight gain. Now I have them from time to time in normal and even small amounts, and never feel like binging on them, and they never trigger anything nor do they affect my weight.
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Okay so it has been 13 days. I have been eating at the new level of 2000/400.
3/1: 406
3/2: 2146
3/3: 502
3/4: 1992
3/5: 522
3/6: 1837
3/7: 335
3/8: 1913
3/9: 445
3/10: 2299
3/11: 407
3/12: 2303
3/13: As of today, I have gone over my UD numbers 3 times. I have only made DD target once. My weight as of today is 203.0.
In summary, I have continued with the 2000/400 (minus a few hiccups).

My weight today (03/24) is 201.6. I had an average of 200.8 this week though, so I am claiming that number .

Today is a DD for me, and I am hungry after an 1815 UD yesterday. So I plan on having a 700 DD today. Only a few days left in March and my weight loss has not been better since upping my cals.
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Old 03-24-2012, 11:56 AM   #26
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WOE: JUDDD 1800/0-700
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Your numbers seem to be working for you, so why mess around with them? You are losing at a great clip so I would just leave well enough alone.

If it ain't broke, why fix it? Messing with the numbers that are working well for you may either make you stall or not lose as well are you are.

Again, I would leave well enough alone.
Starting to think I should have just taken your advice from the beginning and left well enough alone. Thanks so much!!

I am still in love with JUDDD and I am so happy it's ridiculous! I feel like my prayers have been answered. Truthfully, even if I only lose 1 pound a month I will get there eventually. All that, with only dieting half the time!! What's not to love.
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:18 AM   #27
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So, I had my 700 (and some odd) calorie DD yesterday, and woke up 199.2. Yippie!!!! Finally - Onderland !! That is some serious motivation right there!

I am really ashamed at my lack of patience, I need to work on that! (Off to read the 'this is not a race' thread).
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:51 AM   #28
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Big congrats on hitting onederland!!!
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:59 AM   #29
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So, I had my 700 (and some odd) calorie DD yesterday, and woke up 199.2. Yippie!!!! Finally - Onderland !! That is some serious motivation right there!

I am really ashamed at my lack of patience, I need to work on that! (Off to read the 'this is not a race' thread).
A great big WOOHOO!!!! for you. So wonderful. And I am totally in the same boat with you and the patience thing.
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Old 03-25-2012, 06:24 AM   #30
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Big congrats on hitting onederland!!!
Thanks!!!
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