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Old 02-13-2012, 03:05 PM   #1
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Some general questions about JUDDD

Hi all. I'm still wrapping my head around this WOE. Some of the principles make sense -- others do not.

Then there are the ever interesting acronyms. sst: you really don't want to know what I imagine they might be!

EFGT ?

VDHL?

ok.

Is there a formula for fat-carbs-protein ratio that should be adhered to?

The difference in calories between UD and DD should be great. That I understand, but I am having trouble getting to the UD calorie (2200) that the JUDDD website calculator tells me. The DD is 333 (really REALLY low!) Am I understanding this correctly?

Desserts? Ice cream to get to calorie UD? Really???

LC - is it necessary to eat LC for JUDDD?

thanks everyone.

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Old 02-13-2012, 03:17 PM   #2
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EFGT = Eat Fat Get Thin - another way of eating - I don't know anything about it - sorry!

Haven't read VDHL - so can't help there - sorry.

There is no formula as given by JUDDD - but some people follow certain ratios - it's their choice.

With regards to your UD and DD numbers. I have 2118 UD and my 20% of DD cals is 424. 20% of 2200 is 440 - so not sure where the 333 comes from?

The suggestion is that for DD 500 cals is low enough - a lot of us go lower (there is no lower limit) - however when some have started they have set their limit at 700 or even 800, and then lowered their numbers when they're comfortable.

However, I regularly eat 350 cals or less on a DD (but also don't worry if I eat 500 - and on occasion, when there's been something happening -I've eaten up to 7 or 800 - this is still in Weight Loss Mode (WLM).

As for desserts and ice cream to reach your numbers - yes if you want! Again, I wouldn't recommend it all the time - as it's better to eat whole food - but if you need it, want it - have the cals left - go ahead!

As for Low carb - it is not necessary on JUDDD - but a lot of people combine the two. I don't and have had great success - others have to. The only thing I'll say is that if you do re-introduce carbs after a long time of being low carb - the initial reaction may be to gain some water weight - before true weight loss starts.

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Old 02-13-2012, 03:19 PM   #3
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Hi all. I'm still wrapping my head around this WOE. Some of the principles make sense -- others do not.

Then there are the ever interesting acronyms. sst: you really don't want to know what I imagine they might be!

EFGT ?

VDHL?

ok.

Is there a formula for fat-carbs-protein ratio that should be adhered to?

The difference in calories between UD and DD should be great. That I understand, but I am having trouble getting to the UD calorie (2200) that the JUDDD website calculator tells me. The DD is 333 (really REALLY low!) Am I understanding this correctly?

Desserts? Ice cream to get to calorie UD? Really???

LC - is it necessary to eat LC for JUDDD?

thanks everyone.

I'll keep reading and learning.
Hi, I will take a stab at this.

I think some of those acronyms are non-JUDDD.

EFGT - Eat Fat Get Thin?
VDHL - no idea at the moment

No ratio of nutrients except if you want to adhere to one.

Your DD calories seem so low. Why not try 500 and see how it goes? Then work your way down to the lower if you want to/need to.

If you're not sure about the UD calories, hopefully someone will come along and advise on if they are too high. It usually requires knowing your height, weight, age, activity level.

Yes, desserts and ice cream is fine to reach your UD limit. How you reach your UD limit is up to you. But sweets and treats are quite calorie dense, so you must watch portions. It's disheartening how few pieces of candy add up to so many calories, lol. So what many do is try to allow a treat or two on UD and spend the rest of the calories in a more healthful way.

Very important to plan your calories out on both UD and DD, and to track those calories. It will keep you on plan and you will soon get an idea of best foods to fill you up while allowing for treats.

Forgot to add that you don't have to do LC on JUDDD. It's up to you where the calories come from. Some do LC for health reasons, because they enjoy the foods, or because it's filling and satisfying.
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Old 02-13-2012, 03:46 PM   #4
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Thanks for the replies.

Hmm... I went to the calculator again today - seems I didn't recalculate when I adjusted for activity level.

2221 444

So I should really try to eat to 2221? I think I made it to almost 2000 on Sunday (UP) but only because I snacked after dinner (not my usual habit) otherwise I was satisfied at 1700. <--- never thought I say that!

I'm finding that I'm staying away from sugar, well, comparably - since I have a devil of a sweet tooth.
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Old 02-13-2012, 04:09 PM   #5
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Dr. J states in the book that you are not to force yourself to reach the UD number.
My numbers are 350 and 1750. He stresses that the difference in the two numbers is very important. I am relatively new but bought the book since I like to know everything about what I am doing and why. I did induction at 500 calories then went down to 350.

I have no problems reaching 1750 and would have no problems eating higher. i still have to wonder how anyone can't reach their UD numbers. Everything I like must be high calorie.

But I am loving this plan and I find 350 calorie DD's to be very yeasy. Much easier than not going over 1750 on UD's.
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Old 02-13-2012, 04:19 PM   #6
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A lot of us don't recalculate for our activity level - we leave it at sedentary/little or no exercise etc - that may help with your UD cals?

If we knew your stats we could help you with this. I think 2000 on a UD when your Maintenance Cals are 2200 is probably not the end of the world - but you should be careful of letting it creep lower as the swing is relatively important.

Personally, I am trying to leave my UD cals at 2200 (my start was 2300) unless the weight loss slows.
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Old 02-13-2012, 04:57 PM   #7
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On DD, by eating very low cal (or fasting) we turn on a stress response that prepares our bodies for starvation mode (show of hands, please, how many of us have NOT stalled during starvation mode on a pure low-cal diet). Wonderful fat-devouring sirtuin enzymes are released into our bloodstreams causing health improvements and weight loss. By eating much more the day after DD, our bodies turn off the stress response so we do not go into starvation mode.

If UD calories are too low, the stress response does not turn off. You slip into starvation mode, lose weight for awhile, probably feel weak and yucky, and eventually stall.

You can certainly start with 1700 calories. But, to ensure the stress response turns off every other day I encourage you to try to add 100 calories every UD or two. Maybe aim for 2000? It really does get easier, eating that is. And, if you do make UD goal every UD, the magic does not stop.

(Did you ever expect to be told you probably need to eat more in order to lose weight?)
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Old 02-13-2012, 05:08 PM   #8
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:05 AM   #11
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Did you mean VHDL
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:33 AM   #13
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On DD, by eating very low cal (or fasting) we turn on a stress response that prepares our bodies for starvation mode (show of hands, please, how many of us have NOT stalled during starvation mode on a pure low-cal diet). Wonderful fat-devouring sirtuin enzymes are released into our bloodstreams causing health improvements and weight loss. By eating much more the day after DD, our bodies turn off the stress response so we do not go into starvation mode.

If UD calories are too low, the stress response does not turn off. You slip into starvation mode, lose weight for awhile, probably feel weak and yucky, and eventually stall.

You can certainly start with 1700 calories. But, to ensure the stress response turns off every other day I encourage you to try to add 100 calories every UD or two. Maybe aim for 2000? It really does get easier, eating that is. And, if you do make UD goal every UD, the magic does not stop.

(Did you ever expect to be told you probably need to eat more in order to lose weight?)
Thank you. I like that explanation of how it works, will be easier for me to explain to other people.
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:55 PM   #15
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Explaining JUDDD is one of the perks of doing JUDDD. My collect of puzzled, glazed looks has expanded tremendously since I began.
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Congratulations, Joedi. You win the 'Voice Of Reason' award for the day!!!
I've never even been nominated for this one
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:27 PM   #17
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I agree Nancy. When I try to explain JUDDD I get the strangest looks, like I have gone mad. But then I get to tell them that I've lost 20 lbs so far (some to LC but mostly to JUDDD). It definitely piques their interest.
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On DD, by eating very low cal (or fasting) we turn on a stress response that prepares our bodies for starvation mode (show of hands, please, how many of us have NOT stalled during starvation mode on a pure low-cal diet). Wonderful fat-devouring sirtuin enzymes are released into our bloodstreams causing health improvements and weight loss. By eating much more the day after DD, our bodies turn off the stress response so we do not go into starvation mode.

If UD calories are too low, the stress response does not turn off. You slip into starvation mode, lose weight for awhile, probably feel weak and yucky, and eventually stall.

You can certainly start with 1700 calories. But, to ensure the stress response turns off every other day I encourage you to try to add 100 calories every UD or two. Maybe aim for 2000? It really does get easier, eating that is. And, if you do make UD goal every UD, the magic does not stop.

(Did you ever expect to be told you probably need to eat more in order to lose weight?)
Ok. So it is the difference between the two days that really matters.

Thanks all -- for the info, support and the laughs. (I've been trying to find which post had those letters in it, but when I do I'll repost. )
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