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belfrybat 01-26-2012 05:46 AM

Diabetes and JUDDD - not losing
 
It's been two weeks and I haven't lost anything. Well, I've lost the same 1.5 lbs over and over. I don't believe the difficulty is with this WOE, but with the fact that as a diabetic I need to keep food intake steady. I lose 1-2 lbs. on a DD and gain it on an UD. On UDs my blood sugar soars due to my eating more volume, even though I'm taking in approximately the same carbs, (Dr. Bernstein calls this the Chinese Resturant syndrome), so I take more insulin which is a real culprit in weight gain.

I've been considering just going on a very low calorie/ carb diet (800 cal) for three days and they doing a JUDDD style UD. That should still shake up my system so I don't go into "starvation mode", but perhaps minimize the insulin response to every three or four days instead of every other day. Then again, another option is to continue JUDDD but instead of increased food volume on UDs, take in extra calories through added fat, cream, etc. But that certainly won't be as much fun!

I'm open to any ideas folks here might have. At present, I've been aiming for 400-500 on DDs and 1600-1700 on UDs. I'm 63 female, 5'4, 170 lbs. and get my exercise through gardening/ yard work and a leisurely 30-40 walk each day. BTW,ot sure it is relevant, but I've gained 15 lbs. since August-- a real downer.

WWC 01-26-2012 06:03 AM

Gosh, Carol, that sounds like a tough situation. As a retired nurse, my first instinct is that JUDDD is not good for someone taking Insulin, but I could be wrong. :dunno:

I just wanted to send you support. Also, I just finished my first week and can tell I'm down because of how my clothes fit, but a lot of people report that two weeks in too short for some people to see a difference. :hugs:

Leo41 01-26-2012 08:50 AM

Carol-

You should know that Dr. Johnson warns that JUDDD isn't appropriate for most diabetics because the DD/UD cycling plays havoc with their blood sugar.

My own sister (a Type 2) tried it but her BS went out of control. Jenny, who has the website BloodSugar 101, also tried JUDDD and could not control her BS on this plan--and she is really good at managing her diabetes.

In your situation, I'd follow Dr. Bernstein's guidelines for controlling BS. His plan is even stricter than Atkins, so I can't imagine not losing weight, but, as you know, for diabetics, weight loss is secondary to blood sugar control--which is most essential.

ravenrose 01-26-2012 10:44 AM

interesting. sorry for your difficulty!

I am surprised you have that much blood sugar variance with same carbs, just because of volume. generally speaking, the volume comes from the really low cal vegetables and fibers, right?

belfrybat 01-26-2012 02:03 PM

Thanks for your replies, folks. I guess I'm off the plan. Not on Bernstein because I can't go as low carb as he suggests -- it triggers tachycardia spells (rapid heartbeat). At least on JUDDD I didn't have any episodes of that! Ah well, back to the drawing board. I still have a bottle of h-HCG left, I might just bite the bullet and do that again, but it is a 6 week committment to very stringent eating. I know I can do it, just don't really want to. :sad:
I'll probably still come here occasionally to read the messages, but since I won't be JUDDDing, won't participate.

Kissa 01-26-2012 02:37 PM

I am so sorry that JUDDD is not working out for you. You must put your health first of course, but this seems so freeing for so many of us. Have you thought of tweaking it? There are a few diabetics here who do seem to manage their blood sugars. But you must do what is right for you.

Whatever you decide, please participate, I love your posts and support and would miss seeing you here.

mttemple4 01-26-2012 03:53 PM

I second Kissa's post. :) Something else just popped into my head while I was reading. I wonder what would happen if, instead of true down days, you did a 1000 calorie fat fast? I don't know how sustainable that would be and of course loss would likey be slower, but just throwing it out there. I know that Dana Carpender recently blogged about alternating fat fast days with regular low carb days and she not only lost more lbs but also gained amazing control of her blood sugar as a result.

sophiethecat 01-26-2012 04:13 PM

Pirate Jenny! Yooohooo! SDS? Paging ya'll! :)

I know they would have good info to contribute to this discussion on JUDDD & diabetes when they see this! I'm hoping things can work for you, Bat, but you must do what's best for you health. With more information, I'm hoping it will help you decide for sure. All the best to you. :love: Stick around and chat with us though. We can all learn from each other. :)

piratejenny 01-26-2012 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by belfrybat (Post 15362536)
...another option is to continue JUDDD but instead of increased food volume on UDs, take in extra calories through added fat, cream, etc. But that certainly won't be as much fun!

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Originally Posted by mttemple4 (Post 15364555)
I second Kissa's post. :) Something else just popped into my head while I was reading. I wonder what would happen if, instead of true down days, you did a 1000 calorie fat fast? I don't know how sustainable that would be and of course loss would likey be slower, but just throwing it out there. I know that Dana Carpender recently blogged about alternating fat fast days with regular low carb days and she not only lost more lbs but also gained amazing control of her blood sugar as a result.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sophiethecat (Post 15364601)
Pirate Jenny! Yooohooo! SDS? Paging ya'll! :)

:hiya: Here I am!!!
I saw this thread earlier, but didn't post because I have Type 2 & don't take insulin, so I'm not sure I can offer any good info. :(

All I can say is that I did all right on JUDDD the first month or so, but then sort of stalled out/slowed down and continued to hate, hate, hate DDs!!!

I also thought of suggesting the Atkins Fat Fast as DDs, alternating with UDs; I did that for a couple weeks, and my BG was really steady on those days.

I started trying IF on Jan 6th, eating in a 5-hour window every day. It feels like a more natural way to eat, easier to have dinner with my son and socialize with my friends, and works better with my medications. But I seem to suddenly be gaining weight this past week and having trouble with my sleeping patterns.

Well, not sure if you're going to pop back in and see this, but I hope you find something that works for you. :hugs:

belfrybat 01-27-2012 06:27 AM

Thanks for your suggestions/ encouragement. I'm just really griped because JUDDD just seemed like a nice easy way to lose weight. I didn't have problems with the DDs as some did -- just with the insulin rise on UDs. And even though a D2 might not take insulin, eating irratically causes the pancreas to pump insulin into your system which would make losing weight difficult. Right now I'm on a 1000 calorie/ 60-75 carb diet and will take Tuesday as my "bonus" day since I eat out twice that day. Sort of extended MDs -- I'll see how it goes.

OndoGirl 01-28-2012 06:46 AM

Quote from Book
 
I am a newbie (a month in), but I have a special interest in diabetes because, well, both parents have (had) it. My father passed due to complications from the disease. Both of my younger brothers have it (all type 2).

Here is an excerpt from Dr. Johnson's Alternate Day Diet book (Frequently Asked Questions):

"Q. I am diabetic. Can I follow the Alternate Day Diet?

A. If you are a Type 1 diabetic, it would be too difficult to maintain glycemic control without hypoglycemic episodes, and I would advise you not to do the diet.
Type 2 diabetics vary across a broad range in their degree of insulin resistance. Some, especially those whose diabetes is controlled by diet, should have no problem. If you are a type 2 diabetic (90 percent of all diabetics) and are using drugs such as metformin (Glucophage) or Avandia that act by reducing insulin resistance, you should have no low-blood sugar problem on the down day. The Alternate Day Diet reduces insulin resistance, especially if you lose weight, so over time your medication requirement may be reduced."

piratejenny 01-28-2012 07:46 AM

thank you for that quote! :up:

sophiethecat 01-28-2012 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OndoGirl (Post 15368407)
"Q. I am diabetic. Can I follow the Alternate Day Diet?

A. If you are a Type 1 diabetic, it would be too difficult to maintain glycemic control without hypoglycemic episodes, and I would advise you not to do the diet.
Type 2 diabetics vary across a broad range in their degree of insulin resistance. Some, especially those whose diabetes is controlled by diet, should have no problem. If you are a type 2 diabetic (90 percent of all diabetics) and are using drugs such as metformin (Glucophage) or Avandia that act by reducing insulin resistance, you should have no low-blood sugar problem on the down day. The Alternate Day Diet reduces insulin resistance, especially if you lose weight, so over time your medication requirement may be reduced."

Yes, thank you for that quote, OG! :)


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