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Old 01-23-2012, 05:36 AM   #1
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My up days are so much harder :(

I'm beginning to hate my UDs. I'm finding that I'm great with boundaries and its stuck in my head that if I go over 500 I'll gain weight. I love that because it keeps me in line to the point where I rarely come close to 500.

However on my UDs its stuck in my head that I can literally eat whatever I want. This leads me into eating just too eat and forgetting to think about calories. I'm forcing myself to count every single thing I eat today but I know it's going to be hard because I've never been a calorie counter. I've had unhealthy eating habits in the past and I feel those creeping back up. I think this diets biggest selling point might be my downfall if I cant get my head on straight.

Does anyone know what I mean? How did you get past it?
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:41 AM   #2
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I jumped straight in counting every single thing before it goes into my mouth. I would literally sit at the table if we were out to a restaurant and my plate was in front of me, and I would not take one single bite until it was all logged into ************ on my phone.

I now know the calories of a lot of the foods I eat, so I don't have to enter those FIRST, but I still enter them, and if it's something I'm not sure about, it gets entered before I eat it so I know where I stand.

It may sound like a pain, but it really helps. And it does get easier.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:27 AM   #3
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Jenn, I am writing down everything I put in my mouth, but not actually counting calories on UDs either. However, I am sticking to lowish carb so I have a fairly good idea of where I'm at.
You may need to change your mindset a bit. If you want to lose weight, I think your UD is just as much of a tool as your DDs. I know that we can be more liberal with our eating, but (for me) the goal of UD is to fuel your body to set it up for the DD to do its magic. Once you get closer to maintenance, you will be able to relax your choices a bit. How about if for now you plan your UD with an eye for good fuel and then work in a bit of pleasure foods as well? Just see how it goes for a few days.
I am a binger so I just can't give myself free range on UDs and as much as I love this new WOE part of me has to accept that I bring my own baggage into it and I need to work the tools to fit me. Sending you hugs and support.

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Old 01-23-2012, 06:32 AM   #4
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the first time I did JUDDD, I binged on my UDs--very bad for my mind and didn't help my body. This time, I eliminated sugary treats except on special occasions, and am eating a more paleo style diet, with the addition of a few grains, like oatmeal and sprouted wheat toast. Doing much much better. I think sometimes, we need our UD failures to orient us back to what really works to achieve our goals.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:50 AM   #5
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Jenn, I am writing down everything I put in my mouth, but not actually counting calories on UDs either. However, I am sticking to lowish carb so I have a fairly good idea of where I'm at.
You may need to change your mindset a bit. If you want to lose weight, I think your UD is just as much of a tool as your DDs. I know that we can be more liberal with our eating, but (for me) the goal of UD is to fuel your body to set it up for the DD to do its magic. Once you get closer to maintenance, you will be able to relax your choices a bit. How about if for now you plan your UD with an eye for good fuel and then work in a bit of pleasure foods as well? Just see how it goes for a few days.
I am a binger so I just can't give myself free range on UDs and as much as I love this new WOE part of me has to accept that I bring my own baggage into it and I need to work the tools to fit me. Sending you hugs and support.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:29 AM   #6
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One of the things that sometimes falls by the wayside during these times when we have a lot of new faces joining us here are a few of the old basic suggestions that can sometimes help newbies struggling with some particular difficulty.

So I'll repeat some of these suggestions here, in case something might be helpful for you.

First of all, none of us really like having to weigh and measure our foods on UDs, having to enter the calorie number and get the totals and track how much we're consuming. But, since the plan is pretty much based on calories and how much of them we eat, counting the cals is really sort of a focus of this plan. You won't always have to. You won't always have to so carefully. It won't always take so much time to do it. But when you're starting out, it's hard to merely hope for success. If you aren't one who eats *small* just naturally, then you are probably like me... and I'm here to tell you, I can eat double my UD number with ease if given freedom and nothing to hold me back.

One of the confusing things is that Dr. Johnson seems to have spoken out of both sides of his mouth when he explained the Up Days. On the one hand, he tells us to just go ahead and eat but not to overeat. Well, that permission doesn't work for most folks who have to be here because of a weight problem to begin with! There's a reason for that weight problem for most of us.. not all, but for many of us, it's a problem with overeating. So telling us to eat without having to track doesn't do us any favors!

BUT, in other parts of his details, he tells us to figure our Normal UD calories on his calculator, tells us that we will eat our Normal calories on UDs, tells us that our DDs will be a certain percentage of what we eat on our UDs, of our Normal UD calories. It's pretty obvious that he has an individual calorie number in mind for us to adhere to. So it's best if we keep this in mind and get over the thought that we can eat as much as we can get in on our UDs. Knowing that we have a number for our Normal UD calories, and that we should respect that number is kind of important for success for most of us.

So, if you have your UD number, it is a whole lot easier to break it down into meals. Figure out how many meals and snacks you will eat over the course of the day. Allot a certain number of calories for each of those meals. Then you have something to go on. Spend a bit of time to plan out what you will eat to make up those meals, those calories.

Truthfully, consider it like your college education. The work you have to put in is the price of the education success you will receive in return. Except that the work you put in planning your meals and measuring your foods and counting your calories on JUDDD will turn you into a slim and trim young woman at this young and vibrant time of your life! It is so, so very worth it! I can vouch for the fact that for so many of us, we let the years pass away from us, year after year after year.. still fat. The years of our lives are all passing us by, and we're having to live through them in fat bodies, as overweight people, or obese, or more so. That's a sad thing when it's pretty obvious that if we were happy at our heavy weights, we wouldn't even be here in the first place!

You have a way to end that and give yourself a slim body, a slim figure.

And, it doesn't take too long before you've learned a lot of the calorie numbers by memory, and no longer have to do the figuring for 2 eggs over easy, 2 slices of wheat toast, 2 pats of butter, and 1 peeled orange. So every time you have this for breakfast from now on, the work has already been done. You don't have to re-figure it all every time.

I hope this has encouraged you to consider putting in the effort to measure and count the calories in your UD foods and meals, as it is so worth it to do this calorie cycling plan by actually paying attention to the calorie cycle. Then you'll really reap the benefit of wonderful weight loss!
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:49 AM   #7
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I am counting all calories on all days! It can be a pain, but a small price to pay for looking better IMHO!
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:02 AM   #8
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I think DD are worth tracking reasonably closely but UD I don't give a ---- what the calculator told me my magic number is or how much I have consumed in actuality. I've lost 48lbs and to be honest whether I was being picky about cals and not caring whatsoever I didn't see a difference in weight loss. My opinion (and what I personally do) is get yourself in the ball park, within a couple hundred calories this way or that way and relax. Nothing is more miserable than letting diet consume your every thought!!
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:22 AM   #9
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I think DD are worth tracking reasonably closely but UD I don't give a ---- what the calculator told me my magic number is or how much I have consumed in actuality. I've lost 48lbs and to be honest whether I was being picky about cals and not caring whatsoever I didn't see a difference in weight loss. My opinion (and what I personally do) is get yourself in the ball park, within a couple hundred calories this way or that way and relax. Nothing is more miserable than letting diet consume your every thought!!
This is the ideal. And it works great for those who can get themselves in the ballpark by a couple hundred cals. For those who tend to have a ballpark the size of Colorado, it doesn't work quite so well.

For those who can easily eat 3000 calories plus without batting an eye, having something rein you in is helpful. Having something that causes you to recognize food quantity and food choices, and the resulting calorie numbers you are consuming, is an overdue education and valuable help for living the rest of life.
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:40 AM   #10
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Having something that causes you to recognize food quantity and food choices, and the resulting calorie numbers you are consuming, is an overdue education and valuable help for living the rest of life.
Indeed it is an overdue education. The isle of denial has many ports of call. Facing the reality of my choices is empowering. I am vividly aware that maintaining my weight loss is hardly ever done by weight losers. If I want to be one of the very few who do succeed, I will need as much information as possible.

Pat, as always, excellent insights.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:22 AM   #11
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This is the ideal. And it works great for those who can get themselves in the ballpark by a couple hundred cals. For those who tend to have a ballpark the size of Colorado, it doesn't work quite so well.


Same here--I MUST count cals on my UDs or I DO NOT lose--I always eat over my 1700 cals and end up just maintaining, because I will always eat more than I need to. It's just a bad habit.
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Old 01-23-2012, 04:50 PM   #12
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I also track and count everything on UDs and DDs. It helps keep me in check. Especially now that I'm adding carbs to my woe. I don't wasn't too eat too many carbs but I also don't know calorie numbers on carby stuff because I haven't eaten them in so long so right now it's really helping me but im a little ocd about the way I eat so I have to track just like having to get on that scale every morning...lol
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