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Old 01-13-2012, 10:43 AM   #1
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I'd like to join but I'm a-skeered! Thoughts?

Quick background-2000-2001 lost 62 pounds on WW. Couldn't lose any more; 2003, started low carb, pretty much Atkins, but didn't go up the carb ladder. Lost another 20lbs, along with doing 20min of Pilates and other weight bearing ex equalling about 45min/day. Was out of work at the time and had the time. Down from 220 in 2000 to 138 in 2004- 5'7.5" and age 56 at the time.

I like LC, and am mostly happy with what I eat. Not a sweet eater, and really what I miss most is good bread, and the occasional potato-mostly good french fries. Oh, yes, and WINE!

Since 2004, although my diet is basically very low carb -on "on" days around 20 gms carbs/day, I have gained back over 30 pounds-"days off", stress, not exercising, all the usual reasons/excuses. I now weigh about 174.

I have read with interest about JUDDD, and like the idea of it. Beeb's post really piqued my interest

But what I am a-skeered of is when I calculated my calories at 20% and little or no exercise-I'm being honest here- they come to 1710 and 342! Just yesterday, on a regular old day with dinner of 80-20 ground beef patty for dinner, and 2 chicken thighs for lunch and 2 eggs for bkfst along with some veggies, my calories were almost that, and I certainly wasn't stuffed. And 342 calories?? Heck, I just had almost 200 this morning with one egg, coffee w/half and half, and a T of butter..

Also, I don't like the thought of going back to low cal foods, and don't even want to think of that glucoman stuff, whatever it is, or shakes, or whatever. I journal everything.

Looking back, my comments look kinda self defeating and pessimistic, but maybe, in fact it wouldn't work for me, especially at those levels. I'd sure like to try, though.

I just know that even though I like my food, I am struggling to keep on the low carb program because sometimes I just want some bread/potato, (wine), whatever.

If you've gotten this far, thanks.Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:50 AM   #2
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Hi AG! to JUDDD!

Hmm, from your height, those UD calories of 1710 just look low to me. I'm shorter than you, do no exercise, and I lost great on 1700-1800 calories per UD.

I also started with around 700 calories DD and gradually lowered it to around 500, but I still lost fine with 500 - 700 calorie DD so I mostly kept it on the higher end.

You could shoot for 500 and see how you do. Or shoot for higher at first. Gradually working your way down the DD numbers has helped many people. Also, allowing yourself to have extra calories seems to give relief whether you actually end up using those calories or not.

I'm not one of the calorie-figuring gurus here, but someone who is will be along shortly to help you out there.

You don't have to go to low-cal or to diet foods if you don't want to. Many of us do fine on higher protein DD, and incorporate foods similar to what we had on LC, just less of it. And maybe more of the low cal bulky stuff to fill in, like veggies.

Nope, you sound fine to me, just cautious and learning and hopeful and questioning, and that's fine! Keep reading all you can and you'll catch on so fast. Ask any questions you need.

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godess: first, read through this thread from another newbie who was scared--LOTS of great info: But I'm scared!
Then, my numbers were around 1700/250 on the Dr. J. calculator, but I've been using 1700/500 since Nov. 9 and have lost 13 lbs.!
It will take awhile, but read through the thread above and the suggestions I'm sure you will get on this thread from the "experts." You will gain a great understanding of this WOE and everything will fall into place.!
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Beeb has an excellent thread about the fear with the super low calories
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Quick background-2000-2001 lost 62 pounds on WW. Couldn't lose any more; 2003, started low carb, pretty much Atkins, but didn't go up the carb ladder. Lost another 20lbs, along with doing 20min of Pilates and other weight bearing ex equalling about 45min/day. Was out of work at the time and had the time. Down from 220 in 2000 to 138 in 2004- 5'7.5" and age 56 at the time.

I like LC, and am mostly happy with what I eat. Not a sweet eater, and really what I miss most is good bread, and the occasional potato-mostly good french fries. Oh, yes, and WINE!

Since 2004, although my diet is basically very low carb -on "on" days around 20 gms carbs/day, I have gained back over 30 pounds-"days off", stress, not exercising, all the usual reasons/excuses. I now weigh about 174.

I have read with interest about JUDDD, and like the idea of it. Beeb's post really piqued my interest

But what I am a-skeered of is when I calculated my calories at 20% and little or no exercise-I'm being honest here- they come to 1710 and 342! Just yesterday, on a regular old day with dinner of 80-20 ground beef patty for dinner, and 2 chicken thighs for lunch and 2 eggs for bkfst along with some veggies, my calories were almost that, and I certainly wasn't stuffed. And 342 calories?? Heck, I just had almost 200 this morning with one egg, coffee w/half and half, and a T of butter..

Also, I don't like the thought of going back to low cal foods, and don't even want to think of that glucoman stuff, whatever it is, or shakes, or whatever. I journal everything.

Looking back, my comments look kinda self defeating and pessimistic, but maybe, in fact it wouldn't work for me, especially at those levels. I'd sure like to try, though.

I just know that even though I like my food, I am struggling to keep on the low carb program because sometimes I just want some bread/potato, (wine), whatever.

If you've gotten this far, thanks.Any thoughts would be appreciated.
and nice to see you interested in JUDDD. OK, I will address 1 by 1 the things I have in bold from your post.

LC IS a wonderful way of eating, BUT some of us (me) just missed our bread, potatoes, etc. and found LC is NOT a WOE for life. At least that is what I found. When this happens we need to find a "better fit". JUDDD did that for me. On LC when I ate "off days" I gained weight, right away. Any carb type food did this to me and I think it was because my body just wasn't use to carbs anymore and stored the water weight when I added in a carb or 2. Forget about REALLY going "off" plan. I remember gaining 5 pounds over a good, carby weekend! The head trips this gave me always made me give up on LC after awhile. I would come back, lose again, and then repeat the whole thing over!

Glad I got you interested in JUDDD. I was about my DD calories, too when I first figured them out, but Pat (SoHappy ) suggested I up them using a higher % on the calculator and find a "middle" calorie number between 2 %s to see what would happen. It's just what I did and I came to a calorie number of 700 for DDs. I left my UD calories of 1650 alone. I started JUDDD this way, even though some will tell you it not the "right way, but it was the "right" way for me because the weight just melted off. I have even had to up my calories some to stop losing weight and now have the pleasure of doing free days (eating without counting) on my UDs now because I know, and my body knows, most days, just how much to eat!

You DON'T have to eat low cal foods, or foods that you find . WHAT you eat is up to YOU! JUDDD doesn't dictate what kinds of foods we eat, or how much of that food. Eat LC, eat all bread, eat veggies/fruits, eat WHATEVER way you want and with what ever foods you want to eat. (WE previous LCers seem to keep it healthy, though ). All JUDDD cares about is that you eat your DD and UD calories. You can even fast on your DDs, that is up to you, but one thing I will suggest is you eat up to or close to your UD calorie ceiling. This is what makes JUDDD work; calorie restriction one day, calorie credit the other day.

I will now suggest this: IF you can restrict your calories every other day, NOT eat hog wild every other day, keep yourself accountable by counting calories, and you want to enjoy foods that you have missed and would like to see back in your WOE, then try JUDDD. If any of the above does not appeal to you, then find a better fit.

It's really a matter of WHAT WILL WORK FOR YOU and is a GOOD FIT FOR YOU.
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1) Nobody says you have to eat carbs. In fact, if you have diabetes or a damaged carb mechanism (that's me) and have been comfortable on lc, I think it is a good idea to stick to lc for at least the first two weeks of JUDDDing. On average, it takes two weeks for that old JUDDD magic to completely establish itself.

If you never want to eat another potato, or rice, or piece of bread that is cool. Some of us choose to test carbs a little bit at a time (me again), some of us never do, and some of us dive in both feet first. (When you have been on this forum awhile, you get used to the splashes

2) Somewhere around 500 calories a DD day works for many people. But, you don't have to start there. Start where you need to start and have a plan to reduce calories over time. Many people need a couple of DDs at 700 calories to begin. Most people are surprised to find, after those two weeks, that they love DDs and frequently come nowhere near Dr J's suggested minimum.

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Old 01-13-2012, 11:56 AM   #7
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I just came off of Atkins, was on it for almost 2 years.. found myself missing foods, tired of the same thing day after day. Then started regaining..even when I was following it to the letter. Got discouraged, felt guilty etc. whole 9 yards I am losing weight, official weigh in not until Monday but I am loving this diet. I dont use a lot of low fat foods, just ones I really like.. laughing cow cheeses, and the orange melty cheese thats 2% and makes great grilled ham and cheeses lol DD's are lots of hot tea for me, salads, soups and a protein for dinner with a veggie and sometimes quinoa cooked in chicken stock.
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:17 PM   #8
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pj and Dottie-those other threads helped, thanks.

Beeb-That's me-I miss the carbs I used to enjoy. I don't think they are "evil" like so many lcers think. Something as simple as a peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich-a blt- real spaghetti carbonara...oh, and did I mention wine? Just things that one wants but just can't have. And I am also like you in that if I have one "bad" day I can easily gain a couple pounds. I've been known to go up 5 in a weekend. So yes, very discouraging. And yes, I can do that...I am very disciplined.

Nancy-I love to read and will put it on my list.

Kristy-That's where I am too. I miss stuff. I know we should eat to live, not live to eat, but....

Just because I am home from work today, I decided to give it a try and see what happens. I had the egg and coffee for bkfst, 2C broth with an ounce of fennel and a bit of parsley. So I am at 230 now.Happened to see a Nutrisystem dinner on sale at Big Lots, so I'll try that tonight. That will bring me to about 500 cals. It will probably be awful, but I'm ok with that.

As Scarlett said, "tomorrah is anothah day".....
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pj and Dottie-those other threads helped, thanks.

Beeb-That's me-I miss the carbs I used to enjoy. I don't think they are "evil" like so many lcers think. Something as simple as a peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich-a blt- real spaghetti carbonara...oh, and did I mention wine? Just things that one wants but just can't have. And I am also like you in that if I have one "bad" day I can easily gain a couple pounds. I've been known to go up 5 in a weekend. So yes, very discouraging. And yes, I can do that...I am very disciplined.

Nancy-I love to read and will put it on my list.

Kristy-That's where I am too. I miss stuff. I know we should eat to live, not live to eat, but....

Just because I am home from work today, I decided to give it a try and see what happens. I had the egg and coffee for bkfst, 2C broth with an ounce of fennel and a bit of parsley. So I am at 230 now.Happened to see a Nutrisystem dinner on sale at Big Lots, so I'll try that tonight. That will bring me to about 500 cals. It will probably be awful, but I'm ok with that.

As Scarlett said, "tomorrah is anothah day".....
Tomorrow is an UD! lol and I am one who keeps my DD calories at 700 and will slowly work my way down to 500 or maybe not since I seem to be losing ok with that.
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I think a lot of us came to JUDDD from LC and all for different reasons, but one thing we all seem to have in common is being excited about having more variety in our diets. There are several of us here who drink wine. I probably drink more than most and love that I'm able to do so with JUDDD.

I hope you end up loving JUDDD as much as most of us do. It's not for everyone, but it's not nearly as hard as we make it in our minds before we ever start.
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Hope you join us, Goddess. I think you would really love it because while the freedom to eat whatever foods you want to is built into the plan, it's way more than the foods. And the weight loss happens well too, but it's more than that also. I just makes you FEEL SO GOOD!

It helps you view foods and eating in a whole new healthy way, takes away that *gotta' have it, gotta' have it now, gotta' stuff it into my pie hole fast* sort of hunger. It takes a bit of time to get to that, but My Gosh.. what a difference it has made for me! I've been on other plans and lost weight (or didn't) but this is the only one that normalized my appetite and view about food.

I seem to love food every bit as much now, appreciate it even more, and be driven by it not at all. I love my relationship with food and with eating now. LOL

Hope you join us for sure! We'll have to have your name changed from atkinsgoddess to JUDDDGoddess.
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6:10pm and I am feeling a little light headed and head achey, but not too hungry, as such. Had a couple cups black coffee with some sucralose.

Now what I'm skeered of is this blankety blank dinner has 35 carbs!! Gotta get past it, gotta get past it....

Just think, in 13 hours, I have an UD! Whatevah shall I eat??
So Happy Glad to hear you feel good on this. I know I feel good on LC

New question-I have a gals get together next Saturday-this time it is an Italian feast (with wine of course) but by my calculations, it will be a down day. How do I do this/ Have 2 DDs in a row? I don't think I can do that...

Also, what do I bring to work for DDs??? For 5 years I have been bringing a frittata for bkfst, and chicken thighs for lunch. We have a toaster oven and a mic, and I like to cook beforehand and bring stuff in just to reheat.

See, it's this whole new mindset I have to get my head around, right??

Thank you all so much! And maybe I will rename my self....

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6:10pm and I am feeling a little light headed and head achey, but not too hungry, as such. Had a couple cups black coffee with some sucralose.

Now what I'm skeered of is this blankety blank dinner has 35 carbs!! Gotta get past it, gotta get past it....

Just think, in 13 hours, I have an UD! Whatevah shall I eat??
So Happy Glad to hear you feel good on this. I know I feel good on LC

New question-I have a gals get together next Saturday-this time it is an Italian feast (with wine of course) but by my calculations, it will be a down day. How do I do this/ Have 2 DDs in a row? I don't think I can do it.

Also, what do I bring to work for DDs??? For 5 years I have been bringing a frittata for bkfst, and chicken thighs for lunch. We have a toaster oven and a mic, and I like to cook beforehand and bring stuff in just to reheat.

See, it's this whole new mindset I have to get my head around, right??

Thank you all so much! And maybe I will rename my self....
It's always nice if a newbie can do a couple of weeks in a straight UD/DD/UD/DD rotation before getting into altering the rotation to accommodate an upcoming social (eating) event, but... this is how you can do it:

Today is your DD, and tomorrow an UD.. so keep your rotation going until you get to next Friday.. which would be an UD. But make it be a MD instead. A Medium Day has calories between the other two. So that Friday will be a MD instead of the UD it was supposed to be. But you still have to do your UD, so when Saturday comes around.. you'll do your UD. Can't skip it. Have to do it. Have to do an UD when you get together with your friends for Italian. Oh, well. Gotta' suffer on this plan. OH, WAIT! No you don't!

So enjoy your Saturday as an UD, and then, of course, Sunday becomes a DD, and you continue with your normal rotation.
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6:10pm and I am feeling a little light headed and head achey, but not too hungry, as such. Had a couple cups black coffee with some sucralose.

Now what I'm skeered of is this blankety blank dinner has 35 carbs!! Gotta get past it, gotta get past it....

Also, what do I bring to work for DDs??? For 5 years I have been bringing a frittata for bkfst, and chicken thighs for lunch. We have a toaster oven and a mic, and I like to cook beforehand and bring stuff in just to reheat.
This is what I LOVE about DDs! I barely have to bring ANYTHING to work--so, it's so easy. If you find you can hold off until around noon--I just have coffee w/almond milk and davinci (sucralose)--40 cals. Then I bring a Campbell's Soup at Hand (the light ones are 70-80 cals). and that's it! I drink water or tea otherwise. This way, I have LOTS of cals left for dinner and maybe a snack!
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This is what I LOVE about DDs! I barely have to bring ANYTHING to work--so, it's so easy. If you find you can hold off until around noon--I just have coffee w/almond milk and davinci (sucralose)--40 cals. Then I bring a Campbell's Soup at Hand (the light ones are 70-80 cals). and that's it! I drink water or tea otherwise. This way, I have LOTS of cals left for dinner and maybe a snack!
Or what about that cabbage/chicken/laughing cow cheese recipe... just a portion of it in a heat-up container for work, and the rest at home for suppertime?

And, I will tell you that if you can get yourself to the time where you are able to comfortably fast throughout the day until suppertime, you can have have some lovely dinners, even on DDs.

Even Olive Garden were advertising their *Under 500 Calories* dinner choices!
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Welcome to juddd, you are gonna love it and do great.
I came from lowcarbing for 7 years. I stated putting weight back on. Maybe menopause, I don't know but I started tweaking this and that and it all started working against me. I went up to 150 from buying below 140. I was very frustrated and then with the holidays too, good Lord, not good. I have been officially steadily doing juddd almost 2 weeks. The first week I lost and then gained it right back. This week I have lost every single day, even after my UDs. My DDs are way easy this week, I have tons of energy. I feel amazing. I also stated out going myself the option to have higher DDs if needed. I have been well Unger 500 most days. I am adding carbs slowly. I am eating bread now, popcorn, oatmeal. I had a little bit of pasta Alfredo the other night. It's wonderful. Tomorrow I plan on having a grilled cheese sandwich! I do juddd a little different because it works better for me but I do Mon, Wed and Fri DDs, Tue, thur, sun UDs, and sat is a MD. This works best with many schedule.
Again welcome and you will do great. Oh and I also drink wine, I just have it on UDs. I love my red zinfandel!
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Great to see you on here, and Well done on jumping in with a dd! The hardest Part is now over!
If you can, spend some time on your UD planning your next dd! Check the dd recipe threads.... You will find some delicious soups and stir frys - both low cal, and I found, a good way of starting to add some healthy carbs back into your diet.
Like pat says, we will soon make a juddd goddess of you! Keep us posted on your progress.
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"Or what about that cabbage/chicken/laughing cow cheese recipe"
SoHappyThat sounds good-is the recipe in the DD thread or does someone have it handy? I see a thread about it but not the actual recipe with amounts, etc. to start from.

Well, that Nutrisystem dinner wasn't awful, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it was good....

I don't have good luck when I weigh every day-even when I am VERY strict, sometimes I will see a pound gain over night. However, I find that if I don't weigh, it becomes "out of sight out of mind", and I am thinking that the best time to weigh is after a DD?

I guess my biggest worry is that I won't be able to get through the day and think the *%#@ with it and eat. That could happen...

I think I will go to bed early and dream of toast...

Thanks all and I will stick around and keep posting. That really helps with the accountability, doesn't it. Also, I need to pick your brains! (MMMM, sauteed calves brains....)

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"Or what about that cabbage/chicken/laughing cow cheese recipe"
SoHappyThat sounds good-is the recipe in the DD thread or does someone have it handy? I see a thread about it but not the actual recipe with amounts, etc. to start from.

Well, that Nutrisystem dinner wasn't awful, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it was good....

I don't have good luck when I weigh every day-even when I am VERY strict, sometimes I will see a pound gain over night. However, I find that if I don't weigh, it becomes "out of sight out of mind", and I am thinking that the best time to weigh is after a DD?

I guess my biggest worry is that I won't be able to get through the day and think the *%#@ with it and eat. That could happen...

I think I will go to bed early and dream of toast...

Thanks all and I will stick around and keep posting. That really helps with the accountability, doesn't it. Also, I need to pick your brains! (MMMM, sauteed calves brains....)
Are you calling us all cows? J/K!
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:47 AM   #20
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No, just that I haven't had calves brains in years-breaded and sauteed! Yum!
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