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Old 01-13-2012, 08:17 AM   #1
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Feedback on UD/DD start and stop times

I'm thinking of changing my DD and UD start/stop times. They'll still be a 24hr rotation though. I want to try 6pm-6am of DD then switch to UD 6pm-6am. Anyone try this and have feedback? I plan to start it today and will report how it's working after a few rotations.
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:11 AM   #2
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I'm thinking of changing my DD and UD start/stop times. They'll still be a 24hr rotation though. I want to try 6pm-6am of DD then switch to UD 6pm-6am. Anyone try this and have feedback? I plan to start it today and will report how it's working after a few rotations.
You may really like PJ's MUDDD WOE. Here is the forum, check it out! PJ's *Muddd'ing*
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Yep, I think you'll like it!
Here's the original thread, actually:
24hrUD/24hrDD experiment

My observation so far is--it seems to be great for maintenance.
Not so sure about for weight loss, at least for me.
But I know I am not strict enough with limiting my UD calories...
lately I have been gravitating towards IF, as that keeps my calories down more easily,
and seems to be better at controlling my blood sugar than JUDDD.

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I looked at MUDDD, but that's not quite what I am thinking. Since I began JUDDD I've been alternating 24 hr DD/UD, like DD from 6am to 6am then start UD 6am-6am, repeat. My thought is to keep the 24 hr cycle but just change the times to 6:00pm to 6:00pm. I bet it won't matter what time you start 24 cycle as long as it's the same-ish every 24-hr, right?
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I bet it won't matter what time you start 24 cycle as long as it's the same-ish every 24-hr, right?
Correct.

I don't see how it's different, though?
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Correct.

I don't see how it's different, though?
I can't explain it either really but I want to try it. It shouldn't make any difference changing to 6pm but I'm hoping somehow I'll sleep better on DD days! So far, I've woken up every dd at 2am hungry and not able to go back to sleep with a really loud growling stomach enen though I have saved 100 calories of my DD for right before bed.
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I'm thinking of changing my DD and UD start/stop times. They'll still be a 24hr rotation though. I want to try 6pm-6am of DD then switch to UD 6pm-6am. Anyone try this and have feedback? I plan to start it today and will report how it's working after a few rotations.
It ceases to be JUDDD, which features the (basically) 36-hour fasting period which consists of the night after your UD is done, and the whole following DD, and the whole following night of that DD, until you start eating again on the next UD. That's a long span of hours of fasting on very few calories. Which is the crux of JUDDD, which is a fasting diet.

There are many diets which feature alternating calories somewhat over the course of diurnal time periods, usually resulting in a not-so-large spread between the calories from day to day. The Zig-Zag diet plan is one. A variant is the nick-named MUDDD plan.

If you have difficulty in fasting for as long as the JUDDD plan calls for, your idea might be easier for you to follow. It won't be JUDDD, but it certainly should allow for a good calorie reduction, as is basic to weight loss. You will have determined your overall calorie numbers in the same way as is done on JUDDD.

Not everyone is that much *into* fasting. And while we tend to think of fasting starting at the end of our last swallow and extending until we take that first next mouthful, in actuality the effects of fasting don't even begin to kick in for about 12 to 24 hours after we last eat. (Because the body is busy still using it's last meal, so no need to *fast* yet... the fast hasn't kicked in yet... ) So on any of the calorie cycling plans that shorten the period of not eating, hey also lose some of the benefit of the fasting part of true fasting plans.

And that's perfectly OK if the fasting part isn't anything you are particularly interested in. Calorie restriction plans, if followed, usually result in weight loss. I needed the healing benefits of the actual length fasting period. Believe me, I really had a lot of healing that needed to be done on me, LOL, and fasting is so very good for that, for normalizing appetite and normalizing a food response that is not very normal, as well as all the actual health benefits, which I hope to give me better health overall.

I wish you all the success in the world in your quest for weight loss! Good luck!
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On the thread for newbies I read when I started 19 days ago called "Come inside..." the 2nd posting explaining JUDDD stated the following "Special note: for best results, DD needs to be at least 24 hours long. 36 is optimal." I guess I should buy and read Dr. Johnson's book.
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I meant, I don't see how your idea is different from MUDDD?
Either way, though, I found the 36-hour fast to be very difficult, and 24-hours more doable/flexible. Especially when thinking about eating this way for many years!
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On the thread for newbies I read when I started 19 days ago called "Come inside..." the 2nd posting explaining JUDDD stated the following "Special note: for best results, DD needs to be at least 24 hours long. 36 is optimal." I guess I should buy and read Dr. Johnson's book.
LOL That wasn't my post that said that!

I don't know where that came from, but it's not really JUDDD, and probably shouldn't even be in there. LOL I can see how that is confusing.
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On the thread for newbies I read when I started 19 days ago called "Come inside..." the 2nd posting explaining JUDDD stated the following "Special note: for best results, DD needs to be at least 24 hours long. 36 is optimal." I guess I should buy and read Dr. Johnson's book.
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LOL That wasn't my post that said that!

I don't know where that came from, but it's not really JUDDD, and probably shouldn't even be in there. LOL I can see how that is confusing.
I think we should ask to have this removed, especially if it's not correct and can cause confusion.
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Are we entirely sure it's not correct?

I have read on another JUDDD forum that the 24-hour schedule IS acceptable.

I know this is not everyone's opinion...but if it's in the book (which I don't have),
then it shouldn't be removed.

I have PM'd gotsomeold/Nancy to ask where she got that piece of info.
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I don't see how it's different, though?
Beth--I re-read your original post and realize I misunderstood it.
I thought you said 6pm-6pm for a DD and then 6pm-6pm for an UD.

So you're going to be fasting everyday from 6am to 6pm?
I see what you're doing now...that is still going to give you a 36-hour DD.
Your UD is 12 hours--6pm til 6am--then your next UD meal isn't until 6pm the next day.

You must get up early!

Sorry I jumped to conclusions!
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Are we entirely sure it's not correct?

I have read on another JUDDD forum that the 24-hour schedule IS acceptable.

I know this is not everyone's opinion...but if it's in the book (which I don't have),
then it shouldn't be removed.

I have PM'd gotsomeold/Nancy to ask where she got that piece of info.
That's the thing... it isn't in the book. It may well be on other forums though. I've read briefly on a couple of others, and they may well have re-invented JUDDD and now eat on a 24-hour rotation plan and call it JUDDD, but I, personally, don't consider it JUDDD at all, and did (coincidentally) notice that their weight losses didn't begin to compare to what we see here.

But, like I've said before, we are all completely free to feed ourselves however we wish to. And the best to all of us!
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Beth--I re-read your original post and realize I misunderstood it.
I thought you said 6pm-6pm for a DD and then 6pm-6pm for an UD.

So you're going to be fasting everyday from 6am to 6pm?
I see what you're doing now...that is still going to give you a 36-hour DD.
Your UD is 12 hours--6pm til 6am--then your next UD meal isn't until 6pm the next day.

You must get up early!

Sorry I jumped to conclusions!
I don't think so. Your DD will start at 6:00 pm and run through all of that night, and the next day until 6:00 pm, when an UD will start. Anyway you cut it, that's only 24 hours.
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The part you bolded is what I thought she wrote.

What she actually wrote is "6pm-6am of DD then switch to UD 6pm-6am".
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I looked at MUDDD, but that's not quite what I am thinking. Since I began JUDDD I've been alternating 24 hr DD/UD, like DD from 6am to 6am then start UD 6am-6am, repeat. My thought is to keep the 24 hr cycle but just change the times to 6:00pm to 6:00pm. I bet it won't matter what time you start 24 cycle as long as it's the same-ish every 24-hr, right?
Maybe she changed it? LOLOLOLOLOL
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