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Old 01-11-2012, 08:45 AM   #1
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Trying not to get hung up on the scale

but it is HARD. I am REALLY enjoying JUDDD, so much so I am worried....Is it too good to be true?

I was down 2.5 after first DD and since then have gone up .8 and then another .8.

Today is my third DD and I KNOW, I KNOW, in my head it's silly to expect magic right away, but gosh I just really want some encouragement from the scale.

I was feeling okay but yesterday my sister sent me a video from Christmas and I hardly recognized myself I was so large! It threw me into a bit of a panic....

Ironically my biggest struggles have been WHAT to eat on UDs...
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:56 AM   #2
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but it is HARD. I am REALLY enjoying JUDDD, so much so I am worried....Is it too good to be true?

I was down 2.5 after first DD and since then have gone up .8 and then another .8.

Today is my third DD and I KNOW, I KNOW, in my head it's silly to expect magic right away, but gosh I just really want some encouragement from the scale.

I was feeling okay but yesterday my sister sent me a video from Christmas and I hardly recognized myself I was so large! It threw me into a bit of a panic....

Ironically my biggest struggles have been WHAT to eat on UDs...
Hi Lilmiss, Many of us have had our struggles with scale readings.

In maintenance I have given myself a range to bounce up and down, so that helps once you reach that point... But for now, just know that, as Beeb would say, THE SCALE - SHE BOUNCES!! It's a huge aspect of JUDDD, and one that requires some getting used to.

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I don't know if this will help you, but for myself, I just relax and do the plan. Period. I weigh myself each morning, as empty as I can get and before I've eaten anything or had coffee or taken vits or anything. Then I write that weight on my calendar.

On Saturdays of each week, I tally up the week's numbers and get the average weight of the week and enter that too. Occasionally the average of the week number is a little more even than the single Saturday morning weight, but the average is usually less than the average weight of the week before.

This really lets me see that weight loss is happening. (Or maintenance is being held.) Normal bodies and body weights fluctuate. Water weight is gained and shed, and we go up and down all the time, just by design. For skinny folks who don't ever weigh themselves, they aren't even aware of all of those fluctuations, but they're happening all the same.

But for us, we see the numbers on the scale jumping all over the place sometimes and it really concerns us. It's easier if you can just learn to relax and know that it's normal, and that if you just keep following your JUDDD routine accurately, you almost can't NOT lose weight!

So write down your weight each morning, get the average on Saturdays to compare with the weeks before, and then.. just for fun.. note what your high weight of the week was and what your low weight of the week was.

That high weight shows you just how much fluctuation we can have that is still quite normal, and the low weight shows us what we are going to be seeing more of in the future.

It's just a way to track your progress while learning not to be too overly concerned by all the ups and downs along the way.

I've always likened it to watching a rubber ball bouncing down a stairway. It bounces UP and it bounces DOWN as it goes, but overall.. it's going down the stairs and will finally arrive clear down at the bottom. (But we weigh each morning just to make sure we don't ever see the ball bouncing back up the stairs!)
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:04 AM   #4
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Even though I know the scale will fluctuate, I can see where Lil Miss is coming from. When that number goes up, it's hard not to fall back into the old thought patterns of "well, here's yet another diet that doesn't work". I will keep reading and REREADING all the responses. I won't quit because as someone else just recently posted, this is a completely sustainable WOE.
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:08 AM   #5
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WOW Thanks everyone for the responses. This board is truly the best! People are so positive here. I've been on LCF a looong time and I think the ML used to be like that long ago....Not so much anymore

I will absolutely follow the plan, I am sticking to this and totally enjoying it. Part of my angst is also the, "hey this is kinda great so therefore how can it work" mentality.

I am in this to win this and rock JUDDD.

Just wish I hadnt seen that darn video! haha

Pat-I didnt want to weigh but am forcing myself to to keep it real and I absolutely love your ideas of averaging and reviewing high and low weights for each week. That will help me mentally a lot. Thanks!
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Even though I know the scale will fluctuate, I can see where Lil Miss is coming from. When that number goes up, it's hard not to fall back into the old thought patterns of "well, here's yet another diet that doesn't work". I will keep reading and REREADING all the responses. I won't quit because as someone else just recently posted, this is a completely sustainable WOE.
I know. It's confusing. I suppose it would help if we all knew a lot more about how the body works, how normal quite a substantial ebb and flow of water weight is, and then how normal the fluctuation on the scale truly is also.

Also, it would help us to truly realize that we don't lose weight in any simple linear fashion, so we may see the scale up after a DD and down after an UD, despite our gut being still full or practically empty when we step on that scale.

If we could only know and accept that the weight we are going to lose from this DD may not actually show up on the scale for four more days, it might help us relax about it. And the opposite is also true. The overeating we did on this UD not showing up as a gain on tomorrow morning's weigh-in doesn't mean we got away with it.. because it may show up as a BIG gain two days later!

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Old 01-11-2012, 09:14 AM   #7
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Even though I know the scale will fluctuate, I can see where Lil Miss is coming from. When that number goes up, it's hard not to fall back into the old thought patterns of "well, here's yet another diet that doesn't work". I will keep reading and REREADING all the responses. I won't quit because as someone else just recently posted, this is a completely sustainable WOE.
THIS ....when i'm not seeing the scale move at all but am working the plan....i have to hope that by everyone else posting about their successes that i will one day be them...well not them exactly but share the same success...i'm not going back to LC i don't foresee so i'm willing to stick this out for awhile to see where it takes me!!! HOLD faith is what i say!!
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I'm still just getting started myself (day 16 today), but I am a tentative believer. I was stuck last week at basically the same exact weight for the whole week and feeling worried that it just wasn't going to work for me and then over the last three days or so had a woosh of 3.5 or 4 pounds! I think it's worth it to stick it out at least for a couple of weeks or more even if you don't see losses. They may be just around the corner.
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One of the most liberating things I did a few years ago is throw out my scales. It was so triggering for me to see those numbers that for a while I either politely declined being weighed when I went to my doctor's office or asked them to make sure they didn't tell me the number. Now I visit once a month and get weighed then. I go by how my clothes feel and it works just fine! I'm not saying people shouldn't weigh, by any means, but just throwing out my positive experience of not weighing very often
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:48 AM   #10
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I still have my scale and weigh only once a week, with the rare exception. For me, that's the only way I can keep my sanity. I would never be able to weigh daily without getting freaked out.

I mostly weigh on the weekend, whichever day falls AFTER a DD, in the morning as Pat said, as empty as I can be. Works for me!
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:37 AM   #11
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Okay, I lied, though not intentionally as I usually only weigh once a week. Since I tweaked my numbers I can't stay off the scale! However, once I normalize again with steady loss (right now it's just melting off) I'll go back to once a week!
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Okay, I lied, though not intentionally as I usually only weigh once a week. Since I tweaked my numbers I can't stay off the scale! However, once I normalize again with steady loss (right now it's just melting off) I'll go back to once a week!
It's ok - you're experimenting and you have to see the results after all!
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It's the numbers EVERYWHERE, not just on the scale! I have lost inches without even knowing it because I as just judging my weight loss by the number on the scale.

It wasn't until my pants started to look baggy that I realized I had lost inches all around my body. When I measured myself I was shocked!! How did I get this little numbers when that number on the scale hadn't moved, and at times went up!

Measure YOU and see what is happening, too!
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:29 AM   #14
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Okay, I lied, though not intentionally as I usually only weigh once a week. Since I tweaked my numbers I can't stay off the scale! However, once I normalize again with steady loss (right now it's just melting off) I'll go back to once a week!
Thread jump, sorry: This is EXACTLY what happened to me! I got my "magic" numbers and the weight just melted off. I really think it's just a matter of tweaking those DD/UD numbers until we find the right fit!!
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:31 AM   #15
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How do you know what and when to tweak?
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:32 AM   #16
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Thread jump, sorry: This is EXACTLY what happened to me! I got my "magic" numbers and the weight just melted off. I really think it's just a matter of tweaking those DD/UD numbers until we find the right fit!!
Same for me! Once I experimented and found I lost with 1700-1800 calories, maintained with 1900-2000 and gained above that.... well, I knew what to do!

Funny, but after being in maintenance and on FD, it seems my body has adapted to higher calories and I can eat at levels that before would make me gain! I love JUDDD
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SO cool Sophie! YES, Beeb, I do need to measure, another good reminder that positive changes are taking place...

Thanks everyone
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How do you know what and when to tweak?
For me it was a week where I had a slight gain, despite following my numbers perfectly. I didn't tweak right away, and did lose some more the next week, but just felt I could do better. I didn't want to go too low, so I adjusted to the next lower even number. I went from 2345 to 2200 on UDs. It was kind of an arbitrary number, but I figured it couldn't hurt to try it out and see, and it ended up working (so far at least--fingers crossed for continuing meltage). I'm also moving more. I haven't gotten to the point where I'm exercising every day, or even every other day, but a couple times a week, when I have some free time or extra energy.

Important to note that I did not tweak my numbers until I had been JUDDDing for 4 weeks. I really believe you need to give the plan a good time to become a WOE before you start messing with it.

I'm sure others will chime in, as I'm still new myself, and maybe came upon my numbers too easily.
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:55 AM   #19
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These are my numbers since starting JUDDD, January 1. As you can see, I'm
not losing every day, and I've gained as much as 2 pounds from one day to
the next. But the overall total is trending downward. 12 days in, and I'm
down 9.5 lbs. I think it's too early to be thinking about tweaking, but maybe
looking at my numbers will make you feel better:

+\-0 Starting weight
-1.5
-3.0
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+0.5
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:05 AM   #20
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Thanks! Yes, I would not tweak for another couple of weeks here, just gathering info for further down the line in my journey! I appreciate all the input!
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How do you know what and when to tweak?
My "tweaking" came when I actually had to count my UD cals. I've always had 1700/500 as my numbers; but after my loss of the first week, I only maintained for 3 weeks straight.
Then, after reading the infinite wisdom of Beeb and Pat on these threads and discussing w/them what I was doing--I found out that I just have to count my UD cals because I was eating way over 1700 and didn't know it.
So far, so good.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:09 AM   #22
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I can understand that Pjsam, I either cant reach my 1750 or I go WAY over. Need to weigh and measure etc on UD's too.
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How do you know what and when to tweak?
Actually, if you don't have a great deal to lose and your numbers are set correctly from the start, and you hold to those numbers, you will probably not have to tweak, ever. You will see some huge weight fluctuations on the scale, but you should lose just fine for the most part down to your goal.

For those of us who have a lot of weight to lose, the UD number we are given from the Calorie Calculator will be high, and based on our excess FAT besides, so we will be starting out at a higher UD calorie number then we would otherwise be given. We will, basically, be eating to maintain some of that fat every UD. That's the reason that many of us who are heavier when we start here, chop a few hundred calories off of that UD number right from the start, or else just calculate to find our number by putting in our ideal body weight right from the start and then eat at that UD number. The fat melts off.

So if you have a great deal to lose and are eating at a much higher UD calorie number given to you based on included body fat, you may find weight loss stopping after awhile. If you do, that's your clue that it's time to re-figure your UD calories and get a new lower number, so you can keep going.

Also, if you are in weight loss mode and not sticking to your calorie ceilings, you can certainly find you run into trouble. Know that the higher your DD calorie numbers are, the slower your weight loss will be, because that IS the weight loss day. And if you are overeating your correct UD number, which is your maintenance number, that excess is going to now offset some of that low DD number and make it higher after all.. thus, not so much weight loss after all.

If you are experiencing weight loss, overall, your numbers are set OK for the present. You can deal with the tweaking in the future if you find it becomes necessary.

Oh, and if you haven't been eating carbs before you start JUDDD and decide to start eating some again now, DO expect to see weight gain on the scale as your body regains it's long lost water weight. That can be a little off-putting, because you can still be losing some fat at the same time and not even being shown that fact on the scale. That's why you read about folks losing inches and the scale not even showing them any loss at all, maybe even an increase.

But that's only temporary.

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Thanks Pat, as usual you make it all make sense!
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I was doing fine on the numbers I started with, something like 1800, but then I got careless and started having UDs that were like 2300 - 2700, etc. The weight started coming back on, so that's when I really started figuring things up and watching what happened, and I found my magic numbers for weight-loss were 1700-1800. If I went over, I maintained or gained.

Now that I've been doing maintenance and FDs, my metabolism has evidently adjusted to higher calories without gain.
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I love reading this because this is just what I have been going through. The scale has been killing me. Some of you have started juddd and right off list pounds and inches and then there are some of us who just need to let it work in its own time I guess. This week has been different for me. My energy is way up, im dropping weight finally. I have gone from 150 to 146 since Monday morning. I just feel like it's different this week for some reason. I really can't even explain it. Maybe the magic has finally hit me. I hope so. I know that I feel amazing this week. I think there are those of us that just need to give it some time to work. Don't give up. I almost six and im so glad I hung in there.
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I love reading this because this is just what I have been going through. The scale has been killing me. Some of you have started juddd and right off list pounds and inches and then there are some of us who just need to let it work in its own time I guess. This week has been different for me. My energy is way up, im dropping weight finally. I have gone from 150 to 146 since Monday morning. I just feel like it's different this week for some reason. I really can't even explain it. Maybe the magic has finally hit me. I hope so. I know that I feel amazing this week. I think there are those of us that just need to give it some time to work. Don't give up. I almost six and im so glad I hung in there.
I hope you know how much I loved to read this post!

It's such a screwy balance sometimes... How high should the UD cals be contrasted to how low can the DD cals be held, and then how low in weight is the dieter already and how much exercise does s/he do? How carby or very low carb was the diet coming into JUDDD and how immediately did the dieter add carbs to the diet?

But if folks don't at first succeed, and they don't give up, with a little patience and sometimes a bit of tweaking, JUDDD can start to work for them too. I'm always afraid someone will just drift away without having just put it out there to the rest of us, so that perhaps we could help.

I'm sure glad to hear you are feeling well and experienced weight loss! Woo Hoo!
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I love reading this because this is just what I have been going through. The scale has been killing me. Some of you have started juddd and right off list pounds and inches and then there are some of us who just need to let it work in its own time I guess. This week has been different for me. My energy is way up, im dropping weight finally. I have gone from 150 to 146 since Monday morning. I just feel like it's different this week for some reason. I really can't even explain it. Maybe the magic has finally hit me. I hope so. I know that I feel amazing this week. I think there are those of us that just need to give it some time to work. Don't give up. I almost six and im so glad I hung in there.
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