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Old 01-07-2012, 07:33 AM   #1
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New here- would appreciate input

Hi guys! I've been trying this WOE for the past week now, and I guess maybe I
should have asked at the beginning, but I'm seeing success and want to keep it
going. So now I would like to ask a few questions:

First of all, let me tell you that my UD calories are set at 2271 and DD calories are
at 443. I'm coming really close to my limits on both days (yeay, me!) but yesterday
I didn't come close until almost bedtime. And that was only because I was cramming
calories in until the last minute. I don't think this is a good way to eat/sleep. So the
first question would be, should that situation arise again, would I be better off doing
what I did, or just going to bed 400 calories below my target? I think I was at 1820
or something before I ate cheesecake.

Next is about how you track your calories. What I've been doing is opening up a
blank recipe in MasterCook and adding all the ingredients there, as if I was writing
a recipe, but it's just what I've eaten that day. I don't save it anywhere. I guess
if I was to run into trouble later, I would wish I had kept better notes. Are you
all saving your daily menus in ******, or some similar site? I've only been tracking
the calories, and although I know I've been close to both UD and DD targets, I
couldn't possibly tell you today what I ate on Tuesday, for example. Every day,
I just wipe out the previous day's entry and start again. I just have a feeling that
this is a bad idea.

OK, I will limit this post to three questions, so this will be the last one: I haven't
experienced ravenous hunger on a DD yet, but I've read that others have. I think
I've read that this is due to not enough protein on the previous UD? Is there a protein
guideline that we are shooting for here? I'm staying low-er carb as I do this, since
my blood sugar seems to like LC, and I just plain feel better when I'm not full of
carbs.

Now, this is the reason why I said I'm seeing success:

1/1
1/2 -1.5
1/3 -3.0 -4.5
1/4 -2.0 -6.5
1/5 +0.5 -6.0
1/6 -2.0 -8.0
1/7 +0.5 -7.5

On the left is the date, middle is change in weight since the previous day, and right
is change in weight since January 1.

Suggestions? Comments? Criticism?

Thanks in advance- I'm really liking this group.
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Old 01-07-2012, 07:48 AM   #2
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Wow you are doing well! You're doing something right! I wouldn't be too good at answering #s 1 and 3 but I'll try.

1 - I know we are supposed to try to get as high as possible to our up day calories but 1800 + calories may be enough! I also have had days where I can't get my up day calories high enough. I find eating a big breakfast helps (start early). I agree that sleeping on a full stomach is uncomfortable.

2- I track my food online. First I used ******, then Livestrong, and now My Fitness Pal. That one is my favorite and so easy to use. If you have a smart phone, they have an app to put it right on your phone.

3-I don't know about protein numbers. I do find that eating protein on DDs helps with hunger. I'm not sure about up days.

I notice on your little spreadsheet thing that you aren't putting your calories eaten or your actual weight. If you aren't documenting those for yourself, I would start. Then you can see weight loss patterns related to calories eaten.
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Old 01-07-2012, 07:54 AM   #3
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First of all, let me tell you how happy I am that you have joined us. I think you will absolutely love doing JUDDD, will receive many health benefits in addition to great weight loss, and will find a great friendly and happy group of friends here.

So, it looks like you're off to a good start. As to your first question, if it were me, I wouldn't push quite that hard to make sure I had eaten all my UD calories as to have to eat some cheesecake before bedtime just to that end. Number One.. when we are at our heavier weights, before JUDDD has melted some of us away, some of our UD calories have been figured on our *heavy* weight anyway.. so some of that UD calorie number for maintenance is based on maintaining... body fat. Since that isn't your goal, it won't hurt to be under your UD calorie number sometimes. In fact, some folks chop a couple hundred calories off of that UD number in the first place, just because they know that is an inflated number if it was given to them when they were at a heavier weight. Now if you don't have much to lose, then it's probably a better idea to eat up fairly close to your UD number so as to keep your metabolism perking right along. So don't worry about not being able to make all your UD calories every day. And if you decide to lower them a bit right at the beginning, that will probably work really well for you too. Just not too low! LOL

I track my calories in the ****** program. And I stick with that only because I started it so long ago it now has all my records in it, but maybe I'll switch one of these days. It's not the best program in the world. Others will tell you what they use, I'm sure.

But you definitely want to keep track of what you eat, and the serving size you eat, and the calories in that, because it makes *counting calories* really easy and quick once you've already done the figuring, and all you have to do from then on is just click and enter it once again. So you'll want to keep your food/calorie history for sure. Others will give you some great suggestions for sites to use.

Folks eat at different protein levels, and it's very important to get sufficient protein to prevent muscle loss while dieting, but it is thought that most folks get more than enough. There are formulas for figuring how much you need, but most of the sites where you will enter your calories, will also track your protein intake, so that will help you too.

Some focus on protein on DDs as it seems to help keep them feeling fuller. I'm one who finds I feel full when I eat veggie stuff, so I do big salads and veggie stir fry on DDs with not too much calorie dense meat, and then I eat lots and lots of meat on most of my UDs. You'll get into the swing of what works best for you.

Glad you are off to such a good start. I know you will do fabulously well!
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Old 01-07-2012, 08:03 AM   #4
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For the DD's, I try to include 6-8oz of lean protein throughout the day and I find that really helps my hunger issues. That can use up the majority of my calories, but bulky green veggies are nice to fill it out.
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Old 01-07-2012, 08:05 AM   #5
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Great answers already, just wanted to say Pami, and congrats on your success so far!!
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Old 01-07-2012, 08:21 AM   #6
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I second the ************ suggestion for tracking. I love the app on my phone and that I can access it by computer, phone, or Kindle. If you have a smart phone, it also has a scanner so you can scan the barcode on whatever you're eating and it automatically enters the information. It's fantastic!

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Old 01-07-2012, 08:35 AM   #7
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I notice on your little spreadsheet thing that you aren't putting your calories eaten or your actual weight. If you aren't documenting those for yourself, I would start. Then you can see weight loss patterns related to calories eaten.
You're right about not recording calorie intake. I do have a current weight column
but I hide that column when I copy & paste

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Number One.. when we are at our heavier weights, before JUDDD has melted some of us away, some of our UD calories have been figured on our *heavy* weight anyway.. so some of that UD calorie number for maintenance is based on maintaining...
Which brings me to question #4: How often would you recalculate your caloric
needs? I know every pound lost (or gained) changes the values in that little
calculator- would re-calculating every 10 lbs or so be sufficient?

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For the DD's, I try to include 6-8oz of lean protein throughout the day and I find that really helps my hunger issues. That can use up the majority of my calories, but bulky green veggies are nice to fill it out.
Thanks Dottie, I have a can of tuna planned for today (DD), and if I eat a whole
batch of yogurt jello, along with the other stuff, that will bring me to 450 calories.

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Great answers already, just wanted to say Pami, and congrats on your success so far!!
Thank you sophiethecat!

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I second the ************ suggestion for tracking. I love the app on my phone and that I can access it by computer, phone, or Kindle. If you have a smart phone, it also has a scanner so you can scan the barcode on whatever you're eating and it automatically enters the information. It's fantastic!

Thanks KeirasMom- I do have a smartphone, so I am going to look into the ************
app; I already have a weightloss ticker on my phone, so maybe I'll just do a whole
file of weightloss/fitness apps. My phone is always with me; not so with the computer.
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Old 01-07-2012, 08:47 AM   #8
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Which brings me to question #4: How often would you recalculate your caloric
needs? I know every pound lost (or gained) changes the values in that little
calculator- would re-calculating every 10 lbs or so be sufficient?
More than enough to my way of thinking. I don't even quite remember how I handled it, but seems like it was always triggered if weight loss slowed down and I was getting irritated, I'd go figure my calorie needs again, and I think that was often when I saw to bring it down a bit more.

For me, the most important thing was not going over on my UD calories. I had trouble with sticking to low DD number right at first, but that came along well very shortly, but I had to learn to pay more attention to the UD total and actually weigh and measure my foods and portions on UDs. I still do somewhat, although not as rigidly as I did at first.

See how it goes for you. You look like you're already pretty slim now, so it may go very well for you right off the bat and continue well without much tweaking at all. But the results you get will really tell the story.
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Old 01-07-2012, 08:59 AM   #9
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You look like you're already pretty slim now, so it may go very well for you right off the bat and continue well without much tweaking at all. But the results you get will really tell the story.
Old avatar- Cheri made that for me many many years ago, and I have fallen off
the wagon (so to speak) and put on some poundage that doesn't show in that
picture- although I have kept off 90 or so of what I originally lost on lowcarb.
Goal is to get rid of 83 pounds this year, so about 7 lbs per month. I'm at my
January goal already!

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Old 01-07-2012, 09:07 AM   #10
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you have already gotten some great advice. just wanted to say welcome and give another shout out for ************.com there are quite a few of us JUDDDer's on here that are friends on there and it is great for tracking and encouraging and just sharing (has a wall format similar to facebook).

I wouldn't push to the UD calories. I have always used them as a guideline and just try to make sure that I am fueling my body with healthy things. When i first started I had problems getting to my UD calories, but once I switched out of low carb thinking and allowed more carbs, I started having the opposite problem.

There have been days that I have gone to bed short of my UD calories and it was just fine.

i suggest using some of the calories to look up what your BMR is and using that as your bare minimum. Not necessarily JUDDD (and some may not agree with me), but my feeling is if you are getting at least your BMR then your body will not go into starvation mode and will be fueled up for the next day.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:19 AM   #11
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I agree with what everyone has said. I also use ************ and love it. I dont go 1 day without my food intake and seeing where im at. It helps keep me in check. I also pushing that calorie ceiling. I usually dont go as high as what the website says i need. I am still high but i try to hit about 1800 calories on UD's and under 500 on DD's, I also add 1 MD on sat and try to keep that about 1000 calories.
On my DD's i stick to low cal veggies. They help me more than anything. low cal muffins are great too and gluc puddings. Also popcorn!!!! Im loving the 100 calorie bags of smartpop. One will keep my satisfied all afternoon at work. And then big stir frys or big salads for dinner. I dont eat alot of protein on DD's but on my UDs i try to get over 100 grams. I try to hit my bodyweight in protein on UD's. I also really notice that if i make sure to hit my calorie ceiling it really helps with hunger on DD's. If i dont eat enough im starving on my DD, so i really try to hit that 1800 or 1900 calories. Eating a big breakfast is a good idea and using fats, like evoo, coconut oil, mayo, those things will really up the calories. I wouldnt want to eat a huge piece of cheesecake right before bed, i would be skeered!!! LOL
It looks like you are doing great and there are some wonderful people here. This group of ladies is outstanding. we are the best group on this site, imho!
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:27 AM   #12
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:40 AM   #15
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I had to use something other than "Pami" as a username at ************, so my
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:51 PM   #17
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Old 01-07-2012, 03:48 PM   #18
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Girlfriend, you are JUDDD and I can't add any other advice than what you have been given, so PARTY ON, my friend and keep doing what you are doing!!
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Thanks everyone for all your help today! I'm finished eating today (I think- I'm
not hungry at the moment, and I was trying to not eat after 5- but Saturdays
are a challenge for that, since church is 5:30 to 7) and I logged all my foods into
************, and I even included communion calories! That's cool- it was already
listed, and all I had to do was choose it. Calories ended up at 395 for today.
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