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Old 01-10-2012, 10:52 AM   #31
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Sorry to be a dissenting voice here but adding carbs was awful for me. I was hungry ALL the time (DDs were a misery) and the scale had an initial drop, then went back up BEYOND my starting point and would not go back down.

Carbs are NOT my friend.
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Hey, stardustshadow! Glad to see you back here again. Hope you receive very high marks on all your tests!

I do remember that you saw water weight regain after adding carbs back and just had a dickens of a time ever trying to get rid of that gain again.

I know it's certainly a YMMV thing! Well, so many of us found our way to LCF because we really needed to be here for various reasons. And for some, that is a carb sensitivity for certain.

How it worked for me was that I ate more carbs, regained back the lost water weight, so weighed quite a few pounds more, but I just lived with it, kept JUDDDing, and lost body fat.

So eventually I weighed less and less on the scale as I lost fat, even though I still carried several pounds of water weight and still do! LOL I know if I did a strict Atkins induction of 20 or fewer carbs, I would lose all of those water weight pounds once again and weigh a lower number on the scale. At first it bothered me, but now it doesn't at all. I do know that I am unwilling to live a very low carb lifestyle to keep from regaining some water weight.

We all handle this however it feels most natural to us, makes us feel the happiest. For me it was just to ignore water weight and just stay focused on fat loss. But we all get to decide it for ourselves. Yay JUDDD! It gives us such freedom on all our choices.
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Seems I'm a weird one, as well. I have been eating good-quality carbs, including whole grains (I don't think ANYONE benefits from eating processed sugar, white flours, etc.), since I started JUDDD--on both DDs and UDs. I am on week 13, and am still losing, so far. I also have to note that I am eating MORE veggies and fruits--because I eat so many on DDs to get the biggest bang for my buck I was not doing so while LCing--so, as far as I can tell--I think my diet has improved quality-wise.
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Sorry to be a dissenting voice here but adding carbs was awful for me. I was hungry ALL the time (DDs were a misery) and the scale had an initial drop, then went back up BEYOND my starting point and would not go back down.

Carbs are NOT my friend.
Good to hear from you, SDS It's OK to be a dissenting voice - we need to hear from everyone Valuable input that will help others in the same boat. We are all different, and I'm glad you're working JUDDD the way that's best for you. BTW, how are you doing on it now that you've changed things from higher carb to low carb?
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It isn't just waterweight. Waterweight goes away. What happened to me was that after starting 'normal' juddd, I saw a huge scale dip. Then the scale SOARED higher than my starting weight (JUDDD starting weight, not my original weight!!) and then no matter WHAT I did, I could not get the scale to budge. I was not losing body fat. Or 'water weight'. Or anything.

I was also very, very hungry. Eating an apple made my day a misery. And an apple is not a 'refined sugar'!

I found that doing JUDDD on LC works much better for me, hunger wise. But I have yet to see any improvement in weight. I dropped a little pre-holidays, but then the scale swung back up and has not gone down again. I did have to stop JUDDD ing for a couple of weeks because of exams (during that time I stayed low carb--BUT my scale problems were there before I had to stop calorie cycling.).

I won't risk being less mentally sharp when I have to take law school exams because I am only eating 500 calories! I needed to concentrate, and have all of my energy be focused on studying, not weighing food and tracking calories. I had an exam in contract law (hardest topic of the whole year) followed only 4 days later buy a 3 day exam in criminal law. We had very little reading period, because our reading period was over the holidays...so between my job, all of the familial holiday obligations and a birthday thrown in to boot...well there was little time to cram the needed studying in on top of it. So JUDDD was NOT going to be doable during that time.

I will try JUDDD again, the low carb way now that my exams are finished. Maybe i will see some progress...but to be completely honest, I have yet to see the amazing progress people report. So far I have struggled (yet again) like I have for the last several months with any WOE to get rid of the same 6-8 pounds over and over and over again. I lose them and then they come back. This has happened with JUDDD (twice!), LC, a fat fast and meat and egg fast.

I don't know if JUDDD will be magic for me. Maybe I have too much weight to lose for JUDDD to be effective. JUDDD seems to work great for people with a few pounds left to reach goal weight. I am not sure if it is a good solution for people who want to lose 25 pounds...Who knows. I guess we will see.
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I have to add that for scientific reasons, I do not believe that either refined sugars OR grains are a healthy part of a natural human diet. There are a billion reasons that have nothing to do with weight loss to avoid wheat and grains. I could never accept that adding them as anything more than an occasional indulgence in my diet. (of course everyone is welcome to their own opinions, but I just had to share one of the reasons I have for avoiding these things, no matter what my diet plan is!).

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Boy, stardustshadow, I sure hope and pray that JUDDD will work for you this time! I really feel for you. I can only imagine how extremely frustrating it has to be to just not be able to lose the weight on any diet plan. I hate that you've run into trouble on low carb, not had much luck with an egg fats, or with a meat & egg fast, and no help, really, with JUDDD either.

I don't know what your numbers were, but I don't have any memory of thinking they were way out of line, that's for sure.

I do know that it works for so many others regardless of their starting weight though, so don't think it works 'better' for the last few pounds than the first ones of those who are heavier when they start.

There are folks here to do JUDDD on only their own low carb choices, so you won't be eating any differently then they are, I expect. And although the increase of carbs really seems to make our bodies relax and be willing to release fat, if it doesn't work for you to eat carbs then it just doesn't. We all have to do what we believe in, and we have that right, and JUDDD gives us that choice, so in sticking to low carb here, you will certainly have company.

I'll certainly be holding out every hope for your success this time. Re-figure your calorie numbers and think positively! I wish there was a *crossing your fingers* smilie guy, 'cause I'll really be crossing my fingers for your success this time!
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Thanks Pat! My numbers were 500 for DDs and 1908 for UDs.

I might have simply encountered a natural stall. Or maybe there is something else going on. It has been suggested to me that I may have some from of adrenal dysfunction. If that is the case, it is not the fault of any diet plan that I am encountering difficulties! I am seeing a specialist for one of these issues later in Jan., and hopefully they will figure something out. If there is an underlying problem, maybe correcting it medically will be the solution to my problems.

It has also been suggested to me that I have lost a majority of the weight that I need to lose, and most of what I 'see' is extra skin. This is entirely possible, though I need to drop 20 pounds or so to be at a 'healthy' weight (I have a BMI of 27). Unfortunately, I cannot qualify to have that skin removed until I am at a BMI of 25 or below! And honestly I think there is still fat to be lost, despite the fact that there is a lot of skin, too.

Anyhow, there has to be a solution to this, I just have to find it. I'll keep going until I do! I am not going to give up after coming SO far and getting SO close to goal!
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Thanks Pat! My numbers were 500 for DDs and 1908 for UDs.

I might have simply encountered a natural stall. Or maybe there is something else going on. It has been suggested to me that I may have some from of adrenal dysfunction. If that is the case, it is not the fault of any diet plan that I am encountering difficulties! I am seeing a specialist for one of these issues later in Jan., and hopefully they will figure something out. If there is an underlying problem, maybe correcting it medically will be the solution to my problems.

It has also been suggested to me that I have lost a majority of the weight that I need to lose, and most of what I 'see' is extra skin. This is entirely possible, though I need to drop 20 pounds or so to be at a 'healthy' weight (I have a BMI of 27). Unfortunately, I cannot qualify to have that skin removed until I am at a BMI of 25 or below! And honestly I think there is still fat to be lost, despite the fact that there is a lot of skin, too.

Anyhow, there has to be a solution to this, I just have to find it. I'll keep going until I do! I am not going to give up after coming SO far and getting SO close to goal!
OK, working toward weight loss with a side goal of BMI of 25 or below! For certain!

So, extra skin that could be removed. This makes me wonder about the possibility of your UD calories being set a bit too high for your actual scale weight after all. Just from the standpoint of, that extra skin isn't *you*, but it's weight is being figured in and calories being supplied for it, as though you are indeed trying to maintain and support that as well.

I know many of us have to lower the UD calorie we're given when we start when we're *heavier*, just from the standpoint that we don't want to consume THAT many calories to be maintaining all this extra fat!

I can see the calorie number being given to us when it is talking to a normal weight person, giving them the number to maintain their slim selves, but when it just keeps tacking on more calories for us, based on fat weight, and even more calories for us, still based on even more fat.. it's not long before the UD number we are given is really too high for us and out of proportion to what we should really be eating.

Of course, I don't know how much loose extra skin you are dealing with, or how much *extra* weight that adds to your scale weight, but it's a thought to consider.

I want you to be successful. So very much.
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Pat, I never would have thought of that, but I think that may very well be a valid point. Huh.

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OK, working toward weight loss with a side goal of BMI of 25 or below! For certain!

So, extra skin that could be removed. This makes me wonder about the possibility of your UD calories being set a bit too high for your actual scale weight after all. Just from the standpoint of, that extra skin isn't *you*, but it's weight is being figured in and calories being supplied for it, as though you are indeed trying to maintain and support that as well.

I know many of us have to lower the UD calorie we're given when we start when we're *heavier*, just from the standpoint that we don't want to consume THAT many calories to be maintaining all this extra fat!

I can see the calorie number being given to us when it is talking to a normal weight person, giving them the number to maintain their slim selves, but when it just keeps tacking on more calories for us, based on fat weight, and even more calories for us, still based on even more fat.. it's not long before the UD number we are given is really too high for us and out of proportion to what we should really be eating.

Of course, I don't know how much loose extra skin you are dealing with, or how much *extra* weight that adds to your scale weight, but it's a thought to consider.

I want you to be successful. So very much.
Aw Well, thank you I appreciate your support!

Very interesting idea about the UD number...hmmm!! Maybe I should toy with that, cut it by a couple hundred cals, perhaps? I think that would be rather doable.

I am not sure how much 'weight' is skin either, and I can't know that unless I get a consultation from a plastic surgeon! But I can tell you that at least a pound of skin and the underlying fatty tissue would come from my upper arms alone and perhaps 5 pounds (or more) or so from my stomach area. Those are guesses, though. Having been overweight my whole life, the skin does not shrink back for me like it does for some people. Anyhow, if I can lose down to a 'healthy' weight, I will see how the skin looks at that point, and if something needs to be done about it or not. I have browsed plastic surgery sites, and the medical community seems to think that achieving large weight loss is not possible without gastric surgery! I am pleased that I have come so far without such measures! But I am facing the same effects.

Anyhow, Thanks for the idea! I'll play a little with calories and see what I can do!
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I don't know if JUDDD will be magic for me. Maybe I have too much weight to lose for JUDDD to be effective. JUDDD seems to work great for people with a few pounds left to reach goal weight. I am not sure if it is a good solution for people who want to lose 25 pounds...Who knows. I guess we will see.

how frustrating stardustshadow!

i also thought that JUDDD seems to be for those that needed to lose the last few pounds, but I have lost 25 pounds on JUDDD since October 17th. It is a little bit slower loss then what some see on LC eating, but it does work. I do eat carbs but I have found I had to cut my UD calories down to 1700 from 2000-2200 which is what I was eating when I first started. I do not have carbs for dinner, i stick to lean protein and veggies for dinner, but do allow myself a little bit of carb for breakfast and sometimes lunch. I have found for myself that this has been working.

I hope that you are able to find out if there are underlying cause and find something that starts working for you.
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Hi SDS, thanks for sharing what's been going on for you.

My weight-loss mode calories were 1700-1800 on UDs just to give you an idea. If I went much higher than that, I maintained or gained. I forget how tall you are. I am 5 ft. 6 in. These seems to be the "magic numbers" for other women on JUDDD around this height, I've noticed.

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I hear you about excess skin/loose skin after weight loss.

I definitely favor long sleeves! And my tummy excess is going to be with me for the rest of my life because at this late date, I can't afford to have it removed, and I don't think Medicare will cover that for me.

Guess we all do the best we can do, and then look forward and get on with life. I'm rooting for you!
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Omg, this is one of my favorite comfort meals, and I haven't had it in a long time! Will be putting these goodies on my shopping list.
Strangely, when I last had them the grilled cheese was wonderful, but the soup was MUCH too sweet for my tastes. It was still good ol' Campbell's, but my tastes have changed considerably. I needed to add a shot of hot sauce (fast becoming my go-to condiment when something need jazzing up) before I could enjoy it.

I'm thinking of trying some recipes for tomato soup, so I can better control the sweetness.
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Strangely, when I last had them the grilled cheese was wonderful, but the soup was MUCH too sweet for my tastes. It was still good ol' Campbell's, but my tastes have changed considerably. I needed to add a shot of hot sauce (fast becoming my go-to condiment when something need jazzing up) before I could enjoy it.

I'm thinking of trying some recipes for tomato soup, so I can better control the sweetness.
That's interesting, synger. I have a sweet tooth and enjoy sweets these days, but I also find Campbells Cream of Tomato Soup to be a bit too sweet. Actually, I don't even think I'd mind that as much if I added some salt to it, but without the salt, it's just too bland. And too sweet.
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Blech, I never had a can of Campbell's tomato soup until I was about 19
(my mom's an awesome cook) and to me it tasted/tastes like watered-down ketchup!!!

I had a roommate who would make it with milk instead of water & that's a little better.
But only with a lot of garlic powder!!!

Progresso has a decent Tomato-Basil soup in their "high fiber" line.
I add a little garlic & parmesan to it...much tastier than Campbell's!
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I also find the canned tomato soup too sweet, but I "doctor it up" the way my Mom taught me, plus my own experimenting.

I add 1/2 can water, 1/2 milk, then a pinch of baking soda (I forget what this step is for, something about keeping the milk from curdling maybe??), real butter, and Italian seasoning. Also some garlic seasoning if desired. Black pepper is a must. Oh, and I forgot - some finely minced green onion or white onion or chives stirred in is divine as well!!

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Blech, I never had a can of Campbell's tomato soup until I was about 19
(my mom's an awesome cook) and to me it tasted/tastes like watered-down ketchup!!!

I had a roommate who would make it with milk instead of water & that's a little better.
But only with a lot of garlic powder!!!

Progresso has a decent Tomato-Basil soup in their "high fiber" line.
I add a little garlic & parmesan to it...much tastier than Campbell's!
Oh, I agree about the milk. I never make it with water. Only with whole milk.

I also agree that making it at home from a good recipe is way-y-y-y better, and there are recipes at our fingertips on the internet.

Most of our foods at home are made from scratch these days. 'Course, we're retired, so plenty of time.
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"Maybe I have too much weight to lose for JUDDD to be effective. JUDDD seems to work great for people with a few pounds left to reach goal weight. I am not sure if it is a good solution for people who want to lose 25 pounds..."

i sure hope that is not the case cause i have a LOT of weight to drop!
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"Maybe I have too much weight to lose for JUDDD to be effective. JUDDD seems to work great for people with a few pounds left to reach goal weight. I am not sure if it is a good solution for people who want to lose 25 pounds..."

i sure hope that is not the case cause i have a LOT of weight to drop!
I was just speculating and I really don't know if that statement is at all grounded in reality!! I have been stuck and frustrated for a long time but nothing has seemed to work! It may not have anything to do with JUDDD! So don't lose hope...! And of course I' am hoping that I am SO WRONG!

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Hi SDS, thanks for sharing what's been going on for you.

My weight-loss mode calories were 1700-1800 on UDs just to give you an idea. If I went much higher than that, I maintained or gained. I forget how tall you are. I am 5 ft. 6 in. These seems to be the "magic numbers" for other women on JUDDD around this height, I've noticed.

Hope you see success asap!
I am 5-7'' so maybe this is right on!! Thanks for the info!! I'll have to try dropping the UD cals a bit and see if that helps! Now that I have TIME to plan and such! I have an unbelievable MONTH without school!!
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how frustrating stardustshadow!

i also thought that JUDDD seems to be for those that needed to lose the last few pounds, but I have lost 25 pounds on JUDDD since October 17th. It is a little bit slower loss then what some see on LC eating, but it does work. I do eat carbs but I have found I had to cut my UD calories down to 1700 from 2000-2200 which is what I was eating when I first started. I do not have carbs for dinner, i stick to lean protein and veggies for dinner, but do allow myself a little bit of carb for breakfast and sometimes lunch. I have found for myself that this has been working.

I hope that you are able to find out if there are underlying cause and find something that starts working for you.
Wow, well that is encouraging!
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I hear you about excess skin/loose skin after weight loss.

I definitely favor long sleeves! And my tummy excess is going to be with me for the rest of my life because at this late date, I can't afford to have it removed, and I don't think Medicare will cover that for me.

Guess we all do the best we can do, and then look forward and get on with life. I'm rooting for you!


It isn't fun (loose skin!) But I wouldn't trade all the weight I've lost to be rid of it

I'll cope somehow! Either I'll get surgery approved (if I can drop the rest of the weight) or I'll pay to get it done privately when I am finished with my education! I'm so young I feel that I deserve to be able to go on holiday in a bikini at least ONCE in my life
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It isn't fun (loose skin!) But I wouldn't trade all the weight I've lost to be rid of it

I'll cope somehow! Either I'll get surgery approved (if I can drop the rest of the weight) or I'll pay to get it done privately when I am finished with my education! I'm so young I feel that I deserve to be able to go on holiday in a bikini at least ONCE in my life
I do too! And you are in the $$$earnings part of your life, so that would be the financial time to address the issue. I think you'll get there.. both as to the additional weight loss and the eventual surgery if you decide on it.
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I do too! And you are in the $$ part of your life, so that would be the financial time to address the issue. I think you'll get there.. both as to the additional weight loss and the eventual surgery if you decide on it.
I hope so!
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