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rubidoux 12-19-2011 03:55 PM

some Qs about low carb and JUDDD
 
I'm thinking about trying out JUDDD after xmas, but I've got some Qs...

First, I'm wondering if anyone does just straight up low carb with UD's and DD's. I'm wondering if it would work to count calories only on DD's and then eat to satisfaction, like you normally would on Atkins, for UD's.

Also, for DD's I'm imagining living on nothing but heavy cream. I've been IF'ing now for about six months on and off and I like to do coffee with heavy cream during the day and then a near-zero carb meal around 7 pm and tea with heavy cream if I want it in the evening. So, I'm imagining UD's could be pretty much the same, but with maybe an added snack or small lunch (I think I eat around 1400-1500 cals per day and my UP's should be 1880). And then on DD's (376!), nothing but coffee/tea with HWC. Does that sound crazy?

And for those of you who've moved from LC to a not so low carb JUDDD, how were your appetite and cravings after you added carbs in? I have never been able to stay on a low calorie diet that included carbs for any length of time. Even when I add in just a little bit of carb, I *just*want*more* and have a terrible time trying to reign that in. Is that less of an issue for people on JUDDD? Or are the people who are able to do well on a higher carb JUDDD those who never had that problem in the first place?

I'm gonna go over to Dr. Johnson's site and read a bit. So far, I've just been reading here...

KeirasMom 12-19-2011 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rubidoux (Post 15260929)

And for those of you who've moved from LC to a not so low carb JUDDD, how were your appetite and cravings after you added carbs in? I have never been able to stay on a low calorie diet that included carbs for any length of time. Even when I add in just a little bit of carb, I *just*want*more* and have a terrible time trying to reign that in. Is that less of an issue for people on JUDDD? Or are the people who are able to do well on a higher carb JUDDD those who never had that problem in the first place?

I'm gonna go over to Dr. Johnson's site and read a bit. So far, I've just been reading here...

I'm not sure about the heavy cream only option. I don't see why that would be a problem as long as you stick to your DD calories, though you may need to add some broth to keep electrolyte levels okay.

Regarding adding carbs, here's what I did: I went off low carb for 2 days before starting JUDDD (one week ago). I gained roughly 2 1/2 lbs during that weekend, which I'm pretty sure was the "water weight" we all lose on low carb. I began last Monday with a DD and kept to 400 calories and have followed the program pretty closely without going over any days, but staying with about 100 or so calories of recommended on UDs. I eat what I want, carbs or not, but don't go overboard on junk (except for wine :hyst:). I don't find I have any cravings at all, just knowing that if I want something I can have it. If not today, I can have it tomorrow.

Everybody's different, so I'd suggest adding back carbs, if you are so inclined, slowly to see what your "triggers" are. Sort of like going up the ladder on Atkins.

Good luck!

piratejenny 12-19-2011 05:16 PM

I have found that I can tolerate carbs a bit better on JUDDD--even junky carbs like potato chips, donuts, and pizza crust--but I have decided to rein it in and go back to lower carb (I have Type 2 diabetes).

By "tolerate" I mean I used to get very sleepy and my heart would race after eating high carb foods, and on JUDDD this has been eliminated. I also haven't had uncontrollable cravings or hunger. In fact, I often think of a food I want, like popcorn or a bagel, and can wait several days or a couple of weeks before indulging. And even if the food I've been dreaming about for weeks is right in front of me, if I'm not hungry or I don't want to eat any more carbs on that particular day, I can put aside a serving and wait til my next UD.

I have had 2-3 incidents on DDs of getting shaky and terribly hungry, but only about 20 hrs into the DD and only after not eating for over 4 or 5 hours. Yesterday I had decaf coffee and cream between meals and I felt MUCH better! It was maybe 60 more calories, but it kept me from overeating later.

I don't think "nothing but coffee/tea with HWC" sounds crazy, if you are used to IF. In fact, I am going to try applying the Atkins Fat Fast principles to my DDs for a while, and I think I might drink tea, coffee, and chicken broth with cream for most of the day. Also, the original calorie restriction studies Dr J based this WOE on involved eating for 24 hours alternating with 24 hours of total fasting...so some people eat very little or not all on DDs.

But, you can go higher! I assume your DD calories of 336 are at 20%...there are more options if you click on the drop down menu! :D

ETA: Dawn's suggestion about electrolytes is a good one. Glad I just had some chicken broth...with creeeeeeeeeeeeammmm! :yummy:

stardustshadow 12-20-2011 02:45 AM

I do low carb JUDDD. I do this because I originally tried 'normal' JUDDD after low carb and it was not working for me. I was *STARVING* after about a week. The DDs were getting tougher and tougher the more I ate things like fruit!

I am also diabetic, and despite knowing that my blood sugars can tolerate more carbs than I used to be able to (not really due to JUDDD but due to a large weight loss and having super well controlled blood sugars for 1.5 years), I cannot reconcile eating carbs with KNOWING that they are doing damage to my body. Every time I ingest carbs, my body has to produce insulin (and this goes for non-diabetics, too!) and this makes you hungry and stores fat. No getting around that fact! Also, since I am diabetic, carbs force my poor little beta cells in my pancreas to produce insulin at a higher rate than a non diabetic (due to inherited insulin resistance!), and this causes die off of those cells. A diabetic who does not control their carb intake ends up needing insulin in the long run, and I'd really like to avoid this!

I also do not believe that human beings SHOULD be eating a large amount of carbs and sugar. I do not think it is healthy. I also do not think that humans are meant to be eating grains (especially wheat). I can't see how re-introducing those things into the diet can be healthy. Even if I could lose weight while eating them, I feel better when I don't eat them, and I think that most people do better without them, too. Those are my opinions and I know they are fairly controversial.

But anyhow, those are some of the reasons that I stay low carb on JUDDD. JUDDD is a good way for me to watch my calories. I find that restricting every other day is MUCH more manageable for me (especially since I cook everything myself and don't have time to calculate the calorie counts of everything I eat...it is easy to figure out what 500 cals is and stick to that every other day than, say, trying to cut 750 cals every day or something).

piratejenny 12-20-2011 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rubidoux (Post 15260929)
First, I'm wondering if anyone does just straight up low carb with UD's and DD's. I'm wondering if it would work to count calories only on DD's and then eat to satisfaction, like you normally would on Atkins, for UD's.

I forgot to answer this question--Yes, I think it might work!

If you are eating to satisfaction now, and you continue to eat about that amount on UDs, alternating with low-calorie DDs, theoretically it should work, because you will be cutting probably at least 1000 calories per DD (so 3000-4000 per week). And of course it's not just the cutting of calories, it's the calorie cycling that's supposed to help weight loss.

I'm not a good example, because I have been "eating freely" on UDs and although I lost quickly the first few weeks, it's slowed down a lot the last month or so. But I strayed from low-carb, so I am hoping that returning to it will help.

There are a lot of people for whom FDs (Free Days) work beautifully in maintenance...so even if you have to count/estimate on UDs during weight loss, you could look forward to FDs in maintenance! :up:

dasiey 12-20-2011 05:42 AM

It sounds to me like your plan might work for you. After All Dr. J talks about drinking protein shakes on dds. I drank 2 atkins shakes for awhile on my dds. now i eat other forms of protein to keep me full.

shirlc 12-20-2011 06:47 AM

For me, carby things like cookies, fudge, tortilla chips, etc., still set me off. I hope at some point to be able to just sample a little and leave it alone on up days, but I'm not there yet. I love bread, but I also enjoy Flatout and Joseph's Lavash, so I can substitute those almost always, or at least remove half the bread from a sandwich. A lot of the things that I've learned doing low carb are very helpful and necessary to keep doing!

rubidoux 12-20-2011 12:48 PM

Thanks for your thoughts and experience! I'm kind of excited to get started, though I am going to wait until the 26th because I want to feel like /i'm starting fresh w/o some big bump in the road coming up right away.

I will plan to continue with my vlc ways, at least for a while. And I probably won't ever get to the point that I will consider grains to be a healthy part of my diet. (God knows, I run straight to them when I cheat, though. :o) But I would be thrilled to be able to eat an apple or even a sweet potato now and then someday.

itsmeshelly01 12-20-2011 04:53 PM

I do pretty low carb still. My carbs are at the most 75 and almost half of that will be fiber because the carbs I do eat are veggies, some fruit, yogurt and nuts. I stay almost totally away from grains. I know how bad they are for us in the long run. Now during the holidays I will be eating more carbs but I still won't go overboard. I don't know if I will ever feel comfortable adding too many carbs. I lift weights and tried doing can up days at one time and did it a couple of times and just couldn't do it anymore. I have gone so long not eating a lot of carbs it was just too stressful. Im sure I will continue with juddd low-carb.

sherrymyra 12-23-2011 06:36 PM

I don't do grains or sugar. Maybe I will eventually add some grains but not alot or every day. Otherwise I eat pretty LC. What I really want to be add are starchy type vegetables. Peas, corn, squash, etc. I don't care that much about flour and sugar.

rubidoux 12-25-2011 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sherrymyra (Post 15270194)
I don't care that much about flour and sugar.

I hope I can say the same some day!

itsmeshelly, You look great and your stats are amazing!


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