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Old 12-12-2011, 07:52 PM   #1
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Tell Us Your Fears!!

I thought I would start a thread about what kind of fears I had when I first started JUDDD and would love to hear what our other JUDDD BUDDD feared when they first started.

When I looked at how low my DD number was I out and almost didn't even start this WOE. I talked to Pat and she was the one who suggested I up my DD calories to between 40% and 45%, keeping the UD calories as suggested on the JUDDD site, and see what happened. JUDDD is flexible, she said, and we can up those DDs if needed to make this WOE work for us. Well, 18 pounds later and a steady weight loss week after week took care of that fear.

Then I was afraid I was getting sick or was sick because I was losing so easily and so well. It was not until others came on board with JUDDD and I saw their incredible losses too that I knew there was nothing to fear. I had just found a "magic" fit and WOE for me!

Then I was afraid to add in carbs because I was so afraid of gaining weight. On LC if I ate a piece of bread, let's say, I would pay with an automatic weight gain the next day. Well, that fear disappeared after I realized that I NEEDED carbs to lose weight. Not the processed, junky carbs, but the good veggie/fruit/whole grain carbs. When I added these back in my weight loss really took off, I didn't gain but lost steadily! Go figure!! When I didn't eat carbs it made a difference with a weight gain but bringing them back in made an even bigger difference, I lost weight!

Adding carbs made me have a fear I would start to eat all the junk I had before. I really had to watch in the beginning because my first shopping trip was long. I started the grocery shopping loading my cart with all the stuff I had been missing on LC and then right before I checked out I stopped and looked at what I was about to buy! It was mostly processed, junky food! This was NOT the way I wanted to start a new WOE so I put everything back that was NOT a wholesome food and started the grocery shopping over. 3 hours later and much tired feet I came home with more veggies and fruits than I had eaten in over 2 years, whole grains that weren't processed or refined, and I enjoyed every last one of these items over the following 10 days WITHOUT gaining weight and actually losing more than I ever did on LC! Now most of my time is spent at the veggie/fruit stand and I just love being able to eat my beloved product again. Yea, I still eat an occasional candy or junk food item but no where near what I had done before LC. I credit LC for teaching me about good foods and JUDDD for letting me relax a lot about the higher carbs veggies/fruits.

The last fear I had to overcome was eating much higher carbs. That was a mind set that I needed a few months to work on and now I don't even count carbs anymore. What's really funny is my carbs stay pretty low on my DDs anyway and I'm happy about this. And most of those carbs on both DDs and UDs are veggie/fruits/whole grain carbs and I'm just fine with this. UDs can be over the top for carbs (at least to most LCers) but I don't worry about that either. I am eating moderate carbs, usually below 125/175g or so on my UDs and I feel great! I'm still getting the benefit of LC for my Fibro and still eating what I want. It's a win/win for Beeb!!

Tell us your fears! Maybe this will help others who are afraid to come on board and give our wonderful JUDDD a try!!
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:44 PM   #2
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Wow! you have hit so many points I fear or have ponder over. I often come and check out the JUDDD forum and have thought about doing it. It took me so long to get over the "fear of carbs". I have done LC off and on for years and have only found myself still trying to find the right path. LC has taught how to appreciate it whole food.

I had great success with calorie counting but can't seem to work it in a plan that I can stick with. So I am seriously thinking about doing this plan.
There is that fear of this being another plan that I'll add to my "Oh! yeah I've tried that".


So I am going to read some more and figure out what I'm going to do.
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Old 12-12-2011, 09:00 PM   #3
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Trying to adjust to calorie counting after I'd just gotten comfortable with carb counting. I thought it would be a terrible ordeal to make the huge switch from carbs to calories, yet I was surprised at how fast I got the hang of it. Now I have FD (free days) and don't count calories, so it's almost like not dieting at all.

Another fear was adding back the carbs. I felt a little sick when I first did that, similar to the "low carb flu" when I first started LCg. Soon, it was no problem at all! After feeling my way back into carbs, I quickly went hog-wild with them, but oddly enough, I'm now naturally going for more whole foods again, healthy fats, proteins, etc. A much more balanced woe for sure!

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Old 12-13-2011, 07:25 AM   #4
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My fear is that JUDDD won't work. It's been two months and I've lost 4-5 scale lbs, but now I don't know if it's just water that I've lost, because I haven't lost any inches lately either.

My other fear is that if not JUDDD then what else?

I gotta make the deficit somehow.
Eating 900 calories *EVERYday* is not appealing to me. I've done a diet like that and sadly, it worked.
Which is why I chose JUDDD, cause it's not as drastic.
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I was afraid I'd eat all my DD calories before noon. Actually when doing LC I was easily getting 500 calories in the morning just from my coffee w/hwc! So I had to adjust to much less coffee and h&h instead of hwc. I know it sounds silly but starting my day with tons of fatty caffeine had become so important to me. This part is still a WIP...

I was afraid that this wouldn't work with breastfeeding but adding in an extra 200 calories a day for the little nipper seems to be keeping her happy. Strict low-carb was NOT working for her -- she'd start wanting to nurse every single hour and act like she was starving, poor thing.

It's not really a fear but I'm not thrilled about counting calories. Especially when it comes to cooking casserole and crock-pot dishes and such because who really knows how many calories are on your plate? (So, I decided to reserve anything not easily counted to UDs. Problem solved!)

My biggest fear has been going to bed hungry. There were too many nights when I had to go to bed hungry when I was a kid and I always promised myself that would never happen to me as an adult. So far I've been following the suggestion to save most of my calories for later in the day and then 50 or so for some sort of snack before bed. Diet cocoa with a little half and half has been working just fine so far.

Oh, and as a long-time advocate of strict low-carb eating I'm not looking forward to admitting to various people that I'm trying something else. My carbs are still much lower than the SAD but much, much higher than they have been for the previous two years.

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I don't know that my fears are JUDDD specific, more like dieting fears in general. As a first-time dieter, this is all very new to me, and I have several fears (some that are irrational...)

1. Very irrational--that I'll lose the weight I need to lose and still be fat. I think this comes from the fact that I've lost over 35 lbs and can barely tell the difference. Also, because I've never been anything but fat since some elusive time in late childhood (hard to pinpoint, really), it's really hard to imagine me in a changed body.

2. That I'll mess up my metabolism in some way. This is particularly frustrating right now, as I have a hearty calorie deficit but am not losing well. Where are those calories going?
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I have two fears: One, I don't believe I can get below 140, because I haven't been there in over 20 years, even with LCing and everything else I've tried.
Recent fear: With DS coming back from college over the holidays, and DD returning in Jan from the Disney College Program, there will be more junk food in the house that will be a problem for me on DDs.
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:24 AM   #8
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Just read this thread and I fear I am off to make myself a piece of soya and linseed wholemeal toast and eat it with peanut butter!

I do love an UD.
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I'm apprehensive that after so long consciously restricting my intake I will somehow be triggered to eat an inappropriately large amount on UDs. I know that I'm being irrational but it was quite a shock to me that I had to drop to ca 700 calories a day to break the last stall.

So, overall, I suppose that I don't have any experience of the JUDDD WOE so can't trust the process from experience (although it makes a lot of sense when reading about it and browsing through other people's experiences). Plus, in some sense, I mustn't be entirely comfortable about trusting myself with this new freedom to eat more food than I have for the past few months.

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My fear is that I'll go overboard. I have an "all or nothing" personality, so I have to really monitor and not go TOO low on DDs or TOO high on UDs. Once I find my rhythm, I imagine it will all work itself out.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:28 PM   #12
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After my moment of silliness back there I can report that I didn't eat the toast and peanut butter!

Seriously, I think eating carbs was, and is quite a big deal for me. Yes, even a fear.

Today I ate a pasty. This is a strange but wonderful invention from the West of England. But to simplify it I suppose you could call it a savoury pie. It is something I have missed so much over my 10 years of LC eating. But, strangely, it was so not worth the almost 500 calories.

So I won't be doing that again in a hurry. But I have not overcome the fear of Carbs. Possibly even added to it.
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I am still carb phobic. But JUDDD is, I think, working better for me without the carbs. I am NOT hungry, like I was on DDs before. Now I feel fine! But anyhow, the carb level that people can tolerate is very different from person to person. If anything I learned (bc of my non low carb JUDDD attempt) that my blood sugar can tolerate a significant amount of carbs..!
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After my moment of silliness back there I can report that I didn't eat the toast and peanut butter!

Seriously, I think eating carbs was, and is quite a big deal for me. Yes, even a fear.

Today I ate a pasty. This is a strange but wonderful invention from the West of England. But to simplify it I suppose you could call it a savoury pie. It is something I have missed so much over my 10 years of LC eating. But, strangely, it was so not worth the almost 500 calories.

So I won't be doing that again in a hurry. But I have not overcome the fear of Carbs. Possibly even added to it.
Lol @ the pasty! Was it a greggs cheese n onion one? My ds's eat these all the time!
Haven't had one in years.... but now I can, if the craving strikes!
You ate one, you survived, and it didn't trigger a mad urge to eat more, in fact the opposite!
I think you are doing awesome in conquering your fear of carbs... you WILL get there!

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Hmmm three main fears

1) I'm scared it'll stop working, and then I don't know what to do cos I can't seem to stick to anything else

2) I'm scared I'll just stop JUDDD one day. I know the beauty of this it is that you can eat what you want every other day, but I've been thinking lately about it the other way, that it's eating practically nothing every other day. Can I keep this up forever? Will I end up self-sabotaging? I dno.

3) Is this actually bad for my health. I know excess weight is one of the worst things for health, but I'm afraid this diet maybe have a negative aspect compared to traditional 1200cals a day. I'm a medical student so I'm naturally curious about the science behind JUDDD, and I'm not entirely convinced. But like I said, even if there is a negative, it's surely outweighed by the positive of losing the weight.
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I guess my biggest fear is that I'll go through an "I don't care" period of my life, quit JUDDDing, and gain weight like I've done so many times in my life.

I've had some pretty excessive free days lately and it makes me think I might have to go back to counting those UD calories again. I went from 113.6 to 116 overnight from last night's holiday party and I know that most of it is water weight and food still in my system but it still makes me nervous!
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My only fears is can I keep my DD's low enough. Some days I have no problems keeping my DD's to 500, other days it's 650. Of course at that point, I beat myself up for not being more disciplined, so the next day on my UD, I want to "make up for it" by eating less. We all know that defeats the principals of Juddd. It's not just about the calories, the spread counts too. Ugh, I will get off my soapbox now (over DD tonight)
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My biggest fear is that is not worrying fat enough and my dumb obsessions will take over again and I'll go to someone else that doesn'twork either. Im already feeling that frustration. Im not losing like I think I should at all but I know this woe works and is healthy, i just have to make myself sick to it.
Im also scared to death to add carbs back for two. Anything over fruit and veggie carbs. It seems like if I even try by just taking a few bites of something I gain 4lbs.
Im scared of never getting below 143. I seem to be sick there.
Im just scared of this bring something else that doesn't work and then where do go from here? How do make myself just stay here?
I like this thread beeb. Im not the only one with some of the feats I have.
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I've been thinking lately about it the other way, that it's eating practically nothing every other day. Can I keep this up forever?
My understanding, and I may be wrong, is that once the goal weight is achieved, the DD calories increase to as much as 50% of the notional metabolic need (and this reflects general activity levels).
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I am still carb phobic. But JUDDD is, I think, working better for me without the carbs. I am NOT hungry, like I was on DDs before. Now I feel fine! But anyhow, the carb level that people can tolerate is very different from person to person. If anything I learned (bc of my non low carb JUDDD attempt) that my blood sugar can tolerate a significant amount of carbs..!
Thanks for saying this!!

How low in carbs do you go??
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Thanks for saying this!!

How low in carbs do you go??
Both my DDs and my UDs are around 20 carbs or less, though some UDs I allow myself a little more freedom (up to 30 or so).
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My fear is that nothing will break my 'stall' (I have now lost the same 3 kg about 5 times). Or I fear that I will lose it and then stall AGAIN or something... But I am focusing on the POTENTIAL for success right now and not the fear. Fear cripples...I think that if we anticipate success, maybe we have a better chance of achieving it (if we put the work in, that is!)
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Both my DDs and my UDs are around 20 carbs or less, though some UDs I allow myself a little more freedom (up to 30 or so).
I will be interested in your progress.
Will this be your first try at keeping track of carbs/JUDDD?

I don't intend to start that low but I am doing the same..you are in good company!
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My understanding, and I may be wrong, is that once the goal weight is achieved, the DD calories increase to as much as 50% of the notional metabolic need (and this reflects general activity levels).
Yea that's what I had thought but it seems people still stick to the 500 here in maintenance :/
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My fears are :

That JUDDD will not work.

That I will, for whatever reason be unable or unwilling to stick to it.

That I will never lose weight and I will be stuck here forever.
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Today I ate a pasty. This is a strange but wonderful invention from the West of England. But to simplify it I suppose you could call it a savoury pie. It is something I have missed so much over my 10 years of LC eating. But, strangely, it was so not worth the almost 500 calories.
My DS used to live in Montana where they had pasties. I was told the miners used to take them down in the mines for their lunch. I can't remember if I ever had one or not. I know I meant to! DS really liked them.
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My fears are: that I will never be able to commit to DD's! I have yet to get under 700 calories, I always cave and make a 100 calorie popcorn because I get panicky about starving to death...lol.

I have been much better about keeping my UD's to 1600 calories, I am very thankful for my ********* app on my phone, a lifesaver!!

I am nervous about making it through all of these holiday parties, it seems our weekends are FULL of them for the next 2 weeks, hard to keep to UD/DD rotation when there is something Friday, Saturday, AND Sunday!
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It's not really a fear but I'm not thrilled about counting calories. Especially when it comes to cooking casserole and crock-pot dishes and such because who really knows how many calories are on your plate? (So, I decided to reserve anything not easily counted to UDs. Problem solved!)
Something to look forward to, is when you get to maintenance if you don't want to count calories ever again, you can do FD. I don't count calories then and I don't really count them on DD either because by now I pretty much know what/how much to eat, and it's especially easy doing MUDDD. My entire 500 - 700 calories might be eaten at one meal and keep me satisfied before I switch back to FD eating later in the day.

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My biggest fear has been going to bed hungry.
You reminded me, that was one of my biggest fears/dreads about DD too for some time.

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I'm apprehensive that after so long consciously restricting my intake I will somehow be triggered to eat an inappropriately large amount on UDs. I know that I'm being irrational but it was quite a shock to me that I had to drop to ca 700 calories a day to break the last stall.
There is a natural appetite suppressant that will start after you've been eating this way for a while. I don't have the app. suppression every day - depends on hormones with me and how I've eaten on the FD. But I definitely don't feel the urge to stuff myself on FD. When it's FD time, it's almost like the DD didn't happen, and I'm no hungrier than I would have been on a regular ol' day of eating. I might feel real hungry and ready to eat, but I find I'm not stuffing myself - I still get full at a normal amount of eating, if you see what I mean.

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2) I'm scared I'll just stop JUDDD one day. I know the beauty of this it is that you can eat what you want every other day, but I've been thinking lately about it the other way, that it's eating practically nothing every other day. Can I keep this up forever? Will I end up self-sabotaging? I dno.
If you can keep this up until weight loss is done, you may find DD easier long before then, or you'll look into other ways to alternate calories and enjoy it. I'm at that point, and am finding maintenance is a breeze. I do FDs, and combined with Pirate Jenny's MUDDD, it's almost like there's no dieting. I can truly work my woe around my life now instead of trying to plan my life (events) around my woe. I can definitely keep the FD and MUDDDg up indefinitely because it's so flexible and easy. So even though you may want to stick with regular JUDDD always, at least know that if you ever find it tiresome, that there are other beneficial fasting options to look into.

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3) Is this actually bad for my health. I know excess weight is one of the worst things for health, but I'm afraid this diet maybe have a negative aspect compared to traditional 1200cals a day. I'm a medical student so I'm naturally curious about the science behind JUDDD, and I'm not entirely convinced. But like I said, even if there is a negative, it's surely outweighed by the positive of losing the weight.
I've experienced health benefits from JUDDD - weight loss, reduced inflammation, acne, allergies. I think "stressing" the body with this calorie restriction is actually good for it.

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Yea that's what I had thought but it seems people still stick to the 500 here in maintenance :/
I go up to 700 - 800 if I need it.

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My fears are: that I will never be able to commit to DD's! I have yet to get under 700 calories, I always cave and make a 100 calorie popcorn because I get panicky about starving to death...lol.
700 calories isn't bad. You can gradually lower it - there are tips I picked up from the board and from my own experience on DD that helped me. Things like whether you can skip b'fast easily so you can save calories for later in the day and evening... and including more protein foods if those help you feel fuller for longer.

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I am nervous about making it through all of these holiday parties, it seems our weekends are FULL of them for the next 2 weeks, hard to keep to UD/DD rotation when there is something Friday, Saturday, AND Sunday!
Do the best you can - that's all you can do. Right now there is so much going on for everyone, but in a couple weeks things should hopefully settle down, and you can focus more on keeping to the plan. But right now LIFE is giving you parties and family and friends and all this stuff going on, so just enjoy it. I mean, do the best you can with JUDDD during this time, but don't let this be another stressor.

Some people do a weekend like you're describing by alternating UDs and MDs... or by fasting as much as they can during the day until the actual event where they'll be eating (making the party their only eating time of the day so as to still get fasting benefits). Make the DDs you do get during the week good ones - at or below your DD calorie limits.

You might find that you came through the holidays without a big gain like someone would have had if they'd just gave up altogether.
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I will be interested in your progress.
Will this be your first try at keeping track of carbs/JUDDD?

I don't intend to start that low but I am doing the same..you are in good company!
YAY!! So glad to have some company on this experimental journey!

Yeah, this is the first time trying a combo approach...so far so good!
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