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Old 01-30-2012, 06:54 AM   #151
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Finished b'fast at 7:45 a.m.:

1 c. whole milk plain yogurt with 1/2 scoop protein powder and some raspberries & blueberries. (about 15-16 g. protein total)

8:40 a.m.: 96
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FBG this morning after yesterday's dd was 86. I think that's the lowest I've been. My post-UD FBGs are still in the 110s most mornings.
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I am also a curious tester and feel it's a good thing with IR to be aware and checking. It really makes you more conscious of what you are eating and how frequently you are eating. Hope it helps me make good choices without thinking on it too much in the future (like knowing what foods are good for my bg by glancing at it and estimating how it would affect me by way of fats, proteins, carbs like your sausage, egg, biscuit (the way on LC we learn to glance at a food and know if it's carby or LC).
Exactly. That's my hope as well.

Those are great readings too! My fasting was 81 this morning after yesterday's down day of 550 calories and 30 carbs.

Synger--That's interesting too. I'm curious what my FBG will be after UDs. I've been low-ish carbing + counting calories but not JUDDDing until recently. Today (UD) I'll be around 100 carbs, which is about 40 more than my highest day in recent memory. I wonder if my fasting will change.
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FBG this morning after yesterday's dd was 86. I think that's the lowest I've been. My post-UD FBGs are still in the 110s most mornings.
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98 was pre-meal reading, but I bet it was going up in anticipation to eat, because I was hungry and preparing good food right under my nose - mouth practically watering to eat, lol.

Had about 1.5 cups cobb pasta salad = chicken, cheese, hb eggs, ham, raw veggies, evoo, vinegar, Italian dressing, some corkscrew pasta. This is very high protein and fats.

Then 1/2 c. Breyers Mint Choc. Chip Ice cream.

Finished eating at 12:50 p.m.

1:05 p.m.: 91
*started doing my Callanetics routine at 1:30*
1:50 p.m.: 84
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2:58 p.m.: 92
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I love the information you get from frequent testing. My fingers don't love it though. LOL
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I love the information you get from frequent testing. My fingers don't love it though. LOL
Yeah, my fingers are sore, lol. I am a big baby about it but I just make myself do it. I can't stand using the lancet - I have to try not to anticipate the stick too much or think on it or I might get a bit

The wallet doesn't much like this either - stupid test strips are $$!
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I've had good readings each time I've included 1/2 c. of Breyers Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream! It's so yummy.

1/2 c. has:

8 g. fat (5 saturated)
17 carbs
2 g. protein

(Milk, cream, sugar, whey, tara gum, natural flavor, <chocolate chips made of sugar, coconut oil, cocoa>, milkfat, soy lecithin, natural flavor)
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FBG 90 ! I had a whole bag of popcorn and a few glasses of wine after 10 p.m. last night. It was the only thing I had to eat after about 5:30 p.m.
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I think my monitor is screwy.

I'm ready to just quit checking and stick with paleo and be done with it.
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Read this from following links in the one Sophie posted on my bs thread--about why lc causes higher fasting bg readings.

"One caveat here is that very low-carb diets will produce elevated fasting blood glucose levels. Why? Because low-carb diets induce insulin resistance. Restricting carbohydrates produces a natural drop in insulin levels, which in turn activates hormone sensitive lipase. Fat tissue is then broken down, and non-esterified fatty acids (a.k.a. “free fatty acids” or NEFA) are released into the bloodstream. These NEFA are taken up by the muscles, which use them as fuel. And since the muscle’s needs for fuel has been met, it decreases sensitivity to insulin. You can read more about this at Hyperlipid.

So, if you eat a low-carb diet and have borderline high FBG (i.e. 90-105), it may not be cause for concern. Your post-meal blood sugars and A1c levels are more important."

So if I'm reading this right--lc CREATES insulin resistance???? I thought it was supposed to help fix it? I'm so confused.
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Yes, I read that last night and was very upset/annoyed/confused--
on behalf of all LCers everywhere, not just myself.

That, IMO, is very very bad.
Unless it is only temporary?
Something that happens for a couple hours after eating?

Honestly, insulin is not all bad.
It's how nutrients get into cells, it helps build muscle...
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that's why untreated Type 1s waste away, because you do NEED insulin to survive!
And if you're making it, but it's just circulating around in your blood without doing what it's supposed to...I think that's bad?

Guess I will have to do some reading & stuff today!!!
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That makes it confusing but another expert will say something totally different (don't get upset by reading bloggers, they are there to confuse us!).

Dr Bernstein (I think) says something about Dawn Phenom caused by low BG around 4 am so the liver does exactly what it is supposed to do in order to raise it.
He recommended having a little apple or something before bed to avoid this.

Which brings me to the story of a recent pt who would wake up btw 4-5 am vomiting bile. His wife would bring him some tea and yogurt which would stop the episode. I asked her what yogurt and she showed me lite, sweetened w sugar.

I think that the more strict LC eating is the problem like prolonged induction. But there are plenty who are fine w it and continue long after the weight is gone....

There's also the gender thing.....
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LOL at bloggers.

The other thing I wonder is how low carb. Because when I eat paleo, I get 40-60g of carbs a day, just not from grains, sugars or starchy veggies.

Can someone check in on my other thread and try to give me some insight on what's going in with my monitor? (it's the blood sugar questions thread I started). Thanks.
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Read this from following links in the one Sophie posted on my bs thread--about why lc causes higher fasting bg readings.

"One caveat here is that very low-carb diets will produce elevated fasting blood glucose levels. Why? Because low-carb diets induce insulin resistance. Restricting carbohydrates produces a natural drop in insulin levels, which in turn activates hormone sensitive lipase. Fat tissue is then broken down, and non-esterified fatty acids (a.k.a. “free fatty acids” or NEFA) are released into the bloodstream. These NEFA are taken up by the muscles, which use them as fuel. And since the muscle’s needs for fuel has been met, it decreases sensitivity to insulin. You can read more about this at Hyperlipid.

So, if you eat a low-carb diet and have borderline high FBG (i.e. 90-105), it may not be cause for concern. Your post-meal blood sugars and A1c levels are more important."

So if I'm reading this right--lc CREATES insulin resistance???? I thought it was supposed to help fix it? I'm so confused.
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Yes, I read that last night and was very upset/annoyed/confused--
on behalf of all LCers everywhere, not just myself.

That, IMO, is very very bad.
Unless it is only temporary?
Something that happens for a couple hours after eating?

Honestly, insulin is not all bad.
It's how nutrients get into cells, it helps build muscle...
Insulin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
that's why untreated Type 1s waste away, because you do NEED insulin to survive!
And if you're making it, but it's just circulating around in your blood without doing what it's supposed to...I think that's bad?

Guess I will have to do some reading & stuff today!!!
I was reading down through some of the comments below the article, and the guy answers some of the commentors personally. Here are some of the Qs and his comments below. I'm still looking through them.

Q: You mention that FBG can be elevated on a low carb diet. What do you consider a low carb diet to be in terms of grams? Anything under 150g a day or do you mean a keto diet?

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Lynn: I think there’s wiggle room here, and it depends somewhat on the metabolic function of the individual. But I don’t consider 150g to be low-carb. I’d say that’s more in the realm of “moderate”. I’m thinking more like 100g and below.

Q: (same person) I used to think LC was under 100 carbs also, but apparently the strict definition of LC is less than 130: What Is A Low-Carb Diet? Researchers Have Now Defined It! « Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Blog.

My BS is better on 120-150 carbs than it was on VLC, but I am wondering why my FBS is not ideal still,; though my PP numbers are where they need to be.

Any thoughts?

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If you’re PP & A1c are in the normal range, I wouldn’t worry about a mildly elevated FBG.

Q: Chris: if, as you state, “low-carb diets induce insulin resistance,” why isnt it a cause for concern? I went low carb some time ago, no processed foods or bad oils, lost 20 lbs, do regular strength and resistance training, A1c 5.3, post-prandials <120, usually <100, very low BMI and BFP.

But now my FBG levels are as high as 125! (Used to be 87) I guess I don't get the logic behind the assurances that a low-carb diet "may not be a cause for concern" when in the same article you quote studies showing diabetes risk in people with FBG levels above 95. Type II diabetes runs in my family, including those who are not overweight. Does someone like me need to be concerned? What are the botanicals and nutrients you refer to that can improve insulin sensitivity?

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Julie:

I didn’t mean to imply that it is never a concern; just that it may not be a concern. It depends a lot on what your post-meal and A1c levels are. For example, if you wake up at 105 mg/dL but drop down in the 80s soon after, and stay between 80-120 for the rest of the day, I may not be concerned (I’d also have to consider your symptoms, micronutrient status and other clinical variables).

However, if you wake up at 105, never drop below that level, and experience post-meal BS of above 140, then I’d be concerned. Those are two totally different patterns.

The studies that were done showing FBG >95 causing harm were likely done in people eating the Standard American Diet (for the most part). I suspect had the researchers tested their post-meal blood sugars, they would have been high. So I’m not sure we can extrapolate those results to someone eating a low-carb diet. I believe there are some studies showing that higher FBG with normal post-meal BG doesn’t predict future diabetes, but the opposite is not true, i.e. studies show that you can have a normal FBG, but if you have elevated post-meal BG you’re still at risk.

This is a complicated topic and several variables are involved. Check out an interesting article and discussion in progress at Stephan Guyenet’s blog. Make sure to read the comments.

Julie: also note that some people actually experience better blood sugar control on a moderate carb. diet than a low-carb diet. I suspect this is related to the phenomenon I described above, where introducing some carbohydrate gets the body accustomed to burning it again, and probably prevents cortisol and/or epinephrine from getting involved.

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Interesting. I'll have to go back and read comments. So my 40-60g would be considered low carb then.
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According to some sources, LC is under 100 g, and others define it by under 150 g.

Here is another comment from the website:

When your body has become accustomed to burning fat for fuel, it becomes naturally insulin resistant. However, this usually reverses after 3-4 days of a higher carb diet. I would keep testing and see if it doesn’t resolve.

It’s possible, however, that there are other mechanisms causing poor glucose tolerance that need to be explored. If your metabolism is damaged from previous poor eating habits or from autoimmune disease, your carbohydrate tolerance may remain low.

Another possibility, if you’re not doing this already, is to add high-intensity strength training to your regiment. This is an excellent way to restore insulin sensitivity and improve glucose tolerance. I’ll be writing an article on this soon.
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Big Mac attack!

FBG in the 90s lately as usual, and this morning it was 86. I think it was in the 80s another day this week.

For lunch, I had a Big Mac & medium fries, plus a ton of ketchup. I hadn't indulged in a while and I had a coupon, so I went for it!

1,080 calories
48 g. fat
133 g. carbs
29 g. protein

I tested several times, and bgwas always 110 or less, which surprised me, especially since the small cheeseburger and small fries (and mini banana split Blizzard) at DQ the other night put it up about 122. And when I have other "premium" ice cream at home after meals, it doesn't go up that high either as it did with the DQ meal.

Anyway, I didn't catch it over 110 today but it was at 105 2 hr and 15 min after eating and I didn't check it again after that.
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I had abandoned this practice due to trying to JUDDD/IF, but the last few days I have gone back to my "experiment" of eating a handful of nuts (usually walnuts) if I wake up early or in the middle of the night. And my BG readings have been beautiful:

103 (today)
104 (2/7)
106 (2/6)
98 (2/5)

before:
118
108
142 (!!!)
120
104
113
114
123

So, I'd say it looks like a 12 or 15-point drop, on average?

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I had abandoned this practice due to trying to JUDDD/IF, but the last few days I have gone back to my "experiment" of eating a handful of nuts (usually walnuts) if I wake up early or in the middle of the night. And my BG readings have been beautiful:

103 (today)
104 (2/7)
106 (2/6)
98 (2/5)

before:
118
108
142 (!!!)
120
104
113
114
123

So, I'd say it looks like a 12 or 15-point drop, on average?
Wonderful!
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Wonderful PJ!

I've gone back to Paleo/primal, no more experimenting with grains/sugars, and my fasting levels the past couple of days have been 78 and 75.
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I've gone back to Paleo/primal, no more experimenting with grains/sugars, and my fasting levels the past couple of days have been 78 and 75.
I've been doing the opposite... experimenting with grains/sugars on my UDs. And my fastings have been in the 120s... so I'm obviously not "cured" (not that I really expected to be, but one can hope). Going back to the IR Diet framework, which allows limited carbs when linked and balanced with protein.
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Oh, my fastings after DDs are very good, I'm finding. I almost never see anything below 110, and my latest after-DD FBGs have been in the 90s.
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synger, I'm sorry it appears you are with me in the JUDDD camp that can't simply enjoy whatever foods we want on our UD's.

I think the fasting numbers after DD's show you that your body does better without them too.

After talking with my naturopath yesterday and discussing my blood sugar spikes during my experimentation, he agreed that my body simply can't handle the grains/sugars. I asked if that meant I was diabetic, and he said that I wasn't, not yet. But if I continued eating them, I'd likely become so in time. And I surely don't want that. So I will refrain and make it the veeeeeery occasional treat.

My carb levels vary from 10-20g on DD's, to 40-60g on UD's, and those are from veggies, some low-glycemic fruits, and incidentals from protein and fat foods.
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1 stinkin' cookie! That's all I had. And I had a hard-boiled egg first to get some protein so it wouldn't be all that sugar on an empty stomach.

My dd and I made Valentine cookies, so I had one with her. Not sure exactly when I finished it, but it was at least an hour ago, maybe a little more. Checked my bs because I feel like it's high, and it's 175.

This just stinks. It was ONE cookie!
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:33 PM   #179
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Man, Tina, that sucks!! *comfort* My DD is making cake pops for a Valentine's "do" this Saturday, and I'll have one... but I hope my BG doesn't go up too badly.
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:41 AM   #180
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1 stinkin' cookie! That's all I had. And I had a hard-boiled egg first to get some protein so it wouldn't be all that sugar on an empty stomach.

My dd and I made Valentine cookies, so I had one with her. Not sure exactly when I finished it, but it was at least an hour ago, maybe a little more. Checked my bs because I feel like it's high, and it's 175.

This just stinks. It was ONE cookie!
Sorry to hear that, Tina.
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