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Old 01-25-2012, 05:00 PM   #121
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I haven't tested my BS in too long, but Mykidsteacher's Blood Sugar thread got me involved in it again. I thought I'd record this here:

At about 5:45 I finished a meal of:

-1 small piece of homemade cheese cake....I had dessert first, lol. The crust was a store-bought graham cracker type, I made the filling with of course cream cheese, heavy cream, 2/3 c. sugar, 2 T. flour, regular sour cream etc., and the topping was a can of no-sugar added cherry pie filling.
- 1 cup of a skillet of fried rice which consisted of a bag of fried coleslaw mix and other veggies, seasoning, 2 tilapia filets, shrimp, 2 eggs, soy sauce, and about a cup of rice. I had 1 cup of the skillet dish.

Blood sugar:
-1 hr. after eating = 110
-2 hr. after eating = 96
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Hey all. Just read the whole thread, and popping in to say Hi.

I am not d or pre-d, that I know of. I had pre-gest diabetes with my last pregnancy 5 years ago, controlled it with diet--low carb. But the gd can predispose you to type 2 later on, so I try to watch things.

I haven't tested bg in several years, but am being treated for adrenal exhaustion, and bs management is a key component to healing. With eating Paleo, my carb levels are kept pretty low, so I never bothered to check. With JUDDD allowing more carbs on up days, I figured I didn't want to do that just willy nilly, without knowing how my bg was affected. So I got some strips and started testing yesterday--a DD.

All my readings yesterday were under 100. Total carbs for the day 12.5g.

Breakfast was just 2 scrambled eggs, so I didn't bother to test. It was lunch that worried me--140 1 hour after eating, 83 at 2 hours. Next time, I'll try to get more in between readings.

So, I'll keep track over the next few days with different kinds of carbs/meals and report in.
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I mentioned it on the other thread, but since you have supplies now you could check your fasting BG when you first wake up. That's the number my doctor is most interested in.

I check almost every day. But if you're just monitoring, once a week or even once a month will alert you to any changes quicker than if you get labwork done only once a year or so.
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Will do Jenny. Thanks for all your help! Not sure which thread to update at this point. LOL
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lol, MKT, I pop in on both of them now too.

Took my fasting this a.m. 99. That's after a DD and I hadn't eaten after 6 p.m. last night, if that makes a difference. I tested it around 9:45 a.m.

Checked again before lunch and my first meal of the day, about 1 p.m.. 76.

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2 c. of leftover tilapia/shrimp/cabbage/veggies/eggs/fried rice skillet dish
1 c. garden salad, ˝ c. cottage cheese, 2 T evoo, 2 T. Ranch dressing
˝ c. Breyers mint choc chip ice cream

Seems like a good mix of carbs, proteins, fats.

Anyway, 1 hr: 93 2 hr: 93.
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Hmmm, Sophie...your am reading seems a little high to me;
not bad, but definitely in the upper upper range of "normal".
OTOH, your BG probably got low overnight after a DD+ so many hours of not eating,
so your body compensated somehow.
Personally, my am readings are usually over 120 and I'm super excited to get anything under 100!

And your other readings are fantastic!!!
OMG I can't believe your 93 after a meal that included rice, cottage cheese, and ice cream!!!
That's excellent!!!

PS--I'd be interested to see what your FBG is after an UD.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's lower!
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Hmmm, Sophie...your am reading seems a little high to me;
not bad, but definitely in the upper upper range of "normal".
OTOH, your BG probably got low overnight after a DD+ so many hours of not eating,
so your body compensated somehow.
Personally, my am readings are usually over 120 and I'm super excited to get anything under 100!
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Yeah that old FBG was high too when I was checking it more regularly, which was back in Nov. Here are the readings I have recorded for FBG back then. Out to the side is the type of day I had the day before. (There were some missed days here and there, so the alternating pattern is not always looking right.)

95 morning after an UD
92 DD
97 UD
86 DD
100 DD
94 UD
97 DD
83 MD
87 FD
104 DD
88 UD
47 at 9:08 a.m. and then 85 at 9:29 a.m. (??) DD
92 UD
91 DD

I can't make heads or tails out of these old readings. I will keep checking now that I'm further along in JUDDD and see what my FBG readings do.

Oh, is there a way you can check what it's doing in the night to see whether it's dropping after it went high while you were sleeping? Like an optimal time to wake up and check in the night? That might be interesting to do a time or two.
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And your other readings are fantastic!!!
OMG I can't believe your 93 after a meal that included rice, cottage cheese, and ice cream!!!
That's excellent!!!
I know, it made me suspicious of my meter when I got the same reading after one hour and two hours today! lol. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I will test again after some meals tomorrow if I can and see if the results are also low. I am just real surprised at the lowness, and wonder if since I've lost more weight recently, I am just very sensitive to the BG lowering effects of the Metformin now.
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Like an optimal time to wake up and check in the night?
I don't know off-hand...will be going to bed soon...let me know if you find out.
And I'll let you know if I find anything.

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...I wonder if since I've lost more weight recently, I am just very sensitive to the BG lowering effects of the Metformin now.
That would be great!
IIRC, Metformin doesn't directly lower BG but it improves insulin sensitivity.
And losing weight improves it, too.
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With just a quick look, it does look to me like in general, you are higher after a DD. I wonder if a slightly carby snack, with a little protein/fat as well, on those days might help those am readings. Just carbs might cause a higher high, a drop, and then a high to compensate again. The protein/fat might keep it more steady throughout the night.

And those readings after that meal are fantastic!
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FBG: 96 (had a FD yesterday)

12 p.m.
1.5 c. garden salad (just a mix of all kinds of vegggies)
2 T. Bolthouse Farms Ranch dressing (3g. fat; 3g. carb; 1g. protein)

1 hr: 65
2 hr: 100
15 min after that: 79
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With just a quick look, it does look to me like in general, you are higher after a DD. I wonder if a slightly carby snack, with a little protein/fat as well, on those days might help those am readings. Just carbs might cause a higher high, a drop, and then a high to compensate again. The protein/fat might keep it more steady throughout the night.

And those readings after that meal are fantastic!
Do you mean a meal like that just before bed? As in one of the reasons I get a higher FBG is because too many hours are passing between last meal on DD and first meal next day?
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Yes, right before bed. It's possible that your blood glucose levels dip too low in the night, triggering your liver to release a bigger shot of it while you sleep, and you see the results of that in the morning.

Did you feel 'low' when you had that 65 reading? A little protein on that salad might have smoothed out the bumps a bit. But your numbers are looking really good.
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Yes, right before bed. It's possible that your blood glucose levels dip too low in the night, triggering your liver to release a bigger shot of it while you sleep, and you see the results of that in the morning.
This isn't as low carb as it should be but we brought home some Taco Bell tonight.

10 p.m:
-Fresco beef soft taco

10:30 p.m.
-1/2 c. whole milk plain yogurt and some blackberries.

fat: 12 g. carbs: 33 g. protein: 13 g.

11:30 p.m.: 101
12:00 a.m.: 101
12:30 a.m.: 103


I was going to test again 15 min. later but I only have 1 test strip left and I need it for FBG in the morning. Which it is now and I should be asleep. Getting more strips tomorrow.

Oh, something I thought of on the subject of eating and going to bed. I always heard that it wasn't healthy to eat a big meal and go to bed because your digestive system didn't have time to rest, but there have been times when I ate a fairly big, heavy meal and went right to bed and slept and felt great. I'm thinking about the times we'd get home late and go through Wendys and get a Jr. bacon cheeseburger and small fries. Though I felt nice and full and then got sleepy, I always felt kind guilty for eating like that and going to bed, but maybe I should eat before bed more often (maybe not a big heavy fast food meal like that all the time though! lol).

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I was reading about serotonin & melatonin yesterday...
I know carbs can result in serotonin production,
and serotonin can be converted to melatonin...
so eating a little before bed may very well result in better sleep!

For a few years, I would crave bread very very strongly before bed.
And if I skipped it, I would often wake up less than an hour after I'd fallen asleep.
Eating it would often help me get back to sleep.
I mentioned it to a friend who happens to be a midwife, and she instantly said, "Sounds like there's something up with your blood sugar." A few months later, I was diagnosed with diabetes! Since taking Metformin, I still have occasional insomnia & sleep troubles but I don't have the strong late night bread cravings anymore.
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Interesting PJ. I suffered from insomnia horribly all my life (well as a teen onward). It is def cycle related. I've also always been a carb addict. After starting paleo in Aug, my sleep issues pretty much disappeared. (granted I was also undergoing treatment for adrenal issues at the same time, so it's not as easy to just relate the diet/sleep connection). But my daughter (14) appears to be taking after me. She just started cycling in Nov, and deals with the same horrible insomnia I did as a teen. Fortunately, we've found some natural/homeopathic supplements that help, so she doesn't suffer as much as I did. She's also not as carb addicted as I was either. But def something to keep watch on for her. (She's tall and rail thin just for more info).
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OK, I'm finally feeling relieved at my number after the big, carby breakfast/lunch, which I finished at 12 p.m.

It was:

-1 scrambled egg (mixed with some milk and seasoning, fried in butter)
-1 thick half slice of French toast (coated in egg, milk, pancake batter, seasoning) fried in butter and coconut oil. Topped with a little more butter, 1/4 c. sugar-free pancake syrup + 1 t. honey
-1.5 slices turkey bacon

These are only estimates, but the nutrition:

fat: 30 g. carbs: 60 g. protein: 20 g.

I had to run to the store for test strips and missed the first hour, then forgot to test at certain points later, but here are the times and numbers:

Finished eating 12:00 p.m.
1:30: 106
2:15: 116
2:35: 101
3:00: 102
3:15: 96


Took over 3 hours for my body to get that blast of carbohydrates tamed. Plus, who knows how high it went in the times I wasn't testing.

I don't eat that way often, maybe 1 x week or every 2 weeks I'll make a big breakfast for a treat. I can only imagine if I'd used regular syrup, but I like the diet kind anyway and every little bit helps.

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Oh, just thought I'd mention, last night I was reading on the Diabetes forum here, and someone was using ACV for lower FBG readings. Apparently if it works it's because of the acid. Someone was using lemon juice instead of ACV, for example.

I wish I'd been testing when I was having that lemon/acv/honey/evoo concoction nightly. I will have it again tonight and see what happens in the a.m.
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Dinner 6:15 p.m. pre-meal bg 80

1 serving salmon with habenaro mango salsa
1/2 c. ratatouille
˝ c. fried cabbage/egg/shrimp
1 piece Italian sausage
1 large red grapefruit
2 glasses burgundy

Finished eating but am still sipping the wine (it's about 8 p.m.)

This is another question I have but couldn't find the answer for... what if you don't finish your meal and drinking in a set time?

I remember years ago when I saw the couple who came up with the CAD diet on TV and they wanted you to finish your one meal with carbs (did they call it a reward meal? I can't remember, too long ago) within an hour.

So that stuck with me that there was some reason the meal should be done in an hour - something to do with blood sugar? But that's not always realistic. Sometimes meals linger on, sometimes you go back for more, or one glass of wine turns into another. Sometimes you feel like snacking later. I think this is a case where a piece of info lodged in my brain and I'm connecting it to blood sugar in a way it wasn't meant to be?

Set me straight once and for all.

Anyway, here are the numbers so far:

7:20 p.m.: 91
7:45 p.m.: 97
8:15 p.m.: 105
8:45 p.m.: 88


And I'm still drinking - on the 3rd (and final) glass of the night.

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Fnished that last glass about 10 p.m.

It's almost midnight and I'm now having the "lemon tea" which I started making nightly to help soothe my gallbladder when it was giving me probs. This time I left out the evoo and used lemon juice, avc, honey, and half a dose of Sleep Assure.

Perhaps I'll see a lower FBG tomorrow with the acid from the wine, the lemon, the acv, though I didn't think about combining that many acids in one night, lol.

If this doesn't work to lower FBG, I think some exercise might help. The plan is to start in with that this coming week.
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Hmmm...I was just reading about ACV a couple days ago, too!
And while I was over at my neighbor's today, I asked if she could spare a little of her Bragg's vinegar, because I don't have any of the "live" stuff...and her mom pulled out a GALLON jug!!! LOL!!! and let me fill up a small water bottle I had in my car.

I read that if you drink it with a carby meal, it keeps your blood sugar from rising, or slows it down or something. So I am going to try it--before bed, too, I think.
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I hope it works for you, PJ! That's cool that your neighbor gave you a bunch

I'm not sure if it needs time to "build up" or if it should work from the first time you take it, but my FBG was 97, around the same as always.
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Popping in to add something completely anecdotal and unscientific. I have been doing 20-40 carbs a day, non JUDDD but counting calories for January. Fasting bg earlier in the week have been 91, 95, & 97. I am back in the rotation with a DD today and yesterday was an up day with 66 total carbs, but 50 of those at dinner . Fasting this morning was 81.
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Yep, I too have found that I often wake up with a slightly higher BG when I've had a LC dinner and a lower one after a dinner with carbs.

But I don't make a habit of having carbs at night because I am not sure it's worth it; if I have carbs, I'm sure my BG goes much higher at some point than if I don't. So the average over a few hours would probably be lower w/LC
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Popping in to add something completely anecdotal and unscientific. I have been doing 20-40 carbs a day, non JUDDD but counting calories for January. Fasting bg earlier in the week have been 91, 95, & 97. I am back in the rotation with a DD today and yesterday was an up day with 66 total carbs, but 50 of those at dinner . Fasting this morning was 81.
Temple, I forget, are you Type 1 or 2, or like me and just trying to watch because of IR and preventing future probs?
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PirateJenny--that's pretty much what was thinking too. That Hyperliid blog post I linked before talks about the higher fasting BGs and feels it's fine.

Sophiethecat--I'm neither. I did have gestational diabetes that was controlled by diet and it resolved once my daughter was born (7 years ago). I know that and my current weight put me at risk for type 2 though. After I started low carbing I got curious and started testing periodically again just to be aware. One funny thing I can remember from being pregnant with the GD is that there was one "cheat" (ie something not in the ADA diet the doc predictably gave) that always gave me amazing post prandial numbers in the 90s--a sausage and egg biscuit at McDonalds, of all things. With the biscuit! I could never figure that out then as I knew zip about low carb, but now I can see that even with the "bad" biscuit all that protein and fat were keeping me in check. LOL
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Well, I won't be making that lemon/acv concoction anymore. All the acid (on top of wine and later some plain yogurt) made my stomach hurt a lot in bed last night. Then I woke up sick, and could tell at least some of it was due to that lemon drink. I may try some variation of it in the future - like I said I think it was all just way too much acid at one time.

Finished eating from a Chinese buffet at about 2:30 p.m. Had real small portions of some meat, noodles, veggies (mostly green beans), a few breaded items like shrimp, 1/2 c. mandarin oranges, 2 little peanut brittles and a fortune cookie.

Didn't get to check at the normal times because we were looking in stores and stuff.

3:40 p.m.: 115
4:20 p.m.: 115
4:35 p.m.: 108


Couldn't check after that - was watching a movie at the cinema.

Checked it when I got home about 8 p.m., almost 5.5 hours since I'd eaten: 94

Tonight I had a protein shake at 10 p.m. since I hadn't eaten anything for about 8 hours, it's a DD, I haven't been completely well and wanted something in my tummy before bed. It has 15 g. protein and about 7 carbs.

1 hr: 100

I'm going to bed so probably won't check it again tonight.

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Old 01-29-2012, 08:16 PM   #148
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Sophiethecat--I'm neither. I did have gestational diabetes that was controlled by diet and it resolved once my daughter was born (7 years ago). I know that and my current weight put me at risk for type 2 though. After I started low carbing I got curious and started testing periodically again just to be aware. One funny thing I can remember from being pregnant with the GD is that there was one "cheat" (ie something not in the ADA diet the doc predictably gave) that always gave me amazing post prandial numbers in the 90s--a sausage and egg biscuit at McDonalds, of all things. With the biscuit! I could never figure that out then as I knew zip about low carb, but now I can see that even with the "bad" biscuit all that protein and fat were keeping me in check. LOL
Wow! And yummy! I'm ending a DD, lol, so that perked my appetite up

I am also a curious tester and feel it's a good thing with IR to be aware and checking. It really makes you more conscious of what you are eating and how frequently you are eating. Hope it helps me make good choices without thinking on it too much in the future (like knowing what foods are good for my bg by glancing at it and estimating how it would affect me by way of fats, proteins, carbs like your sausage, egg, biscuit (the way on LC we learn to glance at a food and know if it's carby or LC).

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Old 01-29-2012, 09:10 PM   #149
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Yeah, I am still up and I did check, and 2 hr was 92.

Gonna try to fall asleep now.
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:04 AM   #150
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FBG 95 after DD yesterday and the protein shake before bed. That's the lowest I've seen since I started testing again last week.
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