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Dottie 10-21-2011 02:07 PM

Thinking of adapting a JUDDD style
 
Hello :)
I do primal, so I avoid foods with a lot of chemicals as much as I can (most times lol).
I was checking my food log for the last few weeks and I saw that I was eating very little - most days 500-800 calories for weeks on end.
So I decided to pig out 2 days ago and ate 2300 calories (which is my UP day total according to the calculator).
Yesterday was 605 calories, and I was completely satisfied. That's above what the calculator says my down day should be by a little over 100 calories.
Today is about 900 calories and I don't imagine I'll be eating anything else today. (medium day?)

Surprisingly, my weight was the same the day after the 2300 calories, and I was down half a pound today. Because of pms, on top of that, I expected a 5-6pound gain lol.

Sorry for droning on!
My question I guess is: does anyone else do a primal style plan and JUDDD?
I have the book on my kindle and I've glanced through it, but I'm still a little confused on the scheduling of UD/DD/MD.
I know you're not supposed to have 2 DD's in a row, but can you do a DD then a MD then an UD? I can't eat that much every other day I dont think lol!

kris4chloe 10-21-2011 02:35 PM

i dont do primal, but I stay away from chemicals and frankenfoods as much as possible. You will see my meals are alot of trader joes and veggies.

i think you should stick to DD, UD, DD, UD.... as much as possible and use Medium Day for when you need to switch it up. I would think that would give the fastest weight loss. Of course I am only five days in, so maybe someone else knows for certain. I know there are some that only do three DDs a week the same every week and make the weekends UDs. I am to afraid to deviate because I want to see how the program works by following closely, maybe later on i will make my personal tweaks.

SoHappy 10-21-2011 02:54 PM

Hi, Dottie! I think you would really like JUDDD, and using this plan with your primal food choices should turn you into SuperWoman very shortly! LOL

I think one of almost the most important things about JUDDD is something that a lot of people almost don't remember to focus on, easily brush aside and almost ignore as unimportant, and that is the true importance of UP Days!

We tend to focus on the JUDDD Down Days because those are the days that give us weight loss. Or, at their somewhat higher levels, they give us easy maintenance. So finding your good calorie level for your weight loss days is important if you are seeking to lose weight on this plan.

JUDDD Down Days rest us. We ease back on pumping in the food, cranking out the insulin, churning up that digestive action. These are the days we let our body quietly fall back on using some of our stored fat reserves for energy, and we just let the rest relax. Down Days are weight loss days.

But truly, of even more importance is to appreciate the importance of JUDDD Up Days, because these are the days that are intended to heal us! There are many studies on all the health benefits that calorie cycling feeding plans give to the subjects taking part in those studies, so I won't even go into those here, but you will truly be amazed and gladdened to read on the subject.

So, number one.. remember that Up Days are to nourish us. We often aren't getting all that much of everything we need on DDs because we hold the calories on those days so low for weight loss, so make sure to use your UD calories to nourish you full to the brim! Your UDs are going to heal you, so give your body immense variety in nutrients to choose from. Don't skimp. Eat a broad and varied diet.

Up Days can rev up your metabolism. But you have to help it along by eating up in those higher calorie ranges that are your Up Day numbers. So many of us have dieted one way or another for so many years, holding overall calorie numbers down too, for years, that most of us have now managed to trash and slow our metabolisms down to match those overall low calorie intake numbers. We've helped to ruin our own metabolisms. But UDs can help it get going again, working at a more rapid clip, helping us eat more nourishment and naughty pleasure, and still keeping us vibrant and sleek and slim. But you can't eat fewer calories and then expect the metabolism to heal itself at the same time you are holding down your calories.

So follow your good cycle. The spread of your calorie numbers is part of the magic. So far more important to have two days be 500 and 1500 calories for a total of 2000 than for two days to both be 900 for a total of 1800. That big bounce between quite low and nice high numbers is a big part of the magic that gives you weight loss from DDs and heals the way your broken body works on the UDs. It's important to fill up on the UDs, which will help you hold your consumption down on your DDs, and by holding down you'll lose weight, and by pounding up against that UD calorie ceiling, you'll keep telling your metabolism it doesn't need to stay slow, there is plenty of nourishment, rev up and make me skinny. And then, in turn, your faster metabolism will be able to burn up your fat reserves better, making it increasingly easy to lose the fat.

Our learned response to weight gain and overweight has been to cut calories down every single day and hold them there, and we have to be consciously aware not to do that with JUDDD. The cut is automatic when we do a successful DD. But of more importance is the UD healing that is going to happen for us with our UD calorie consumption, and that's going to benefit us for the rest of our lives.

I don't know whether you have weight that you want to lose, or whether you are in maintenance these years, but either way, JUDDD will be a very healthful way for you to take in your food.

Dottie 10-21-2011 02:59 PM

Thanks :)
I still have quite a few pounds to lose, so I'll give this a try. I have been thinking of using JUDDD as a maintenance program, but after seeing that my calories are way too low way too long, I'm thinking maybe if I have a schedule where I *need* to eat more, I'll be more conscience of it lol.
Thanks again :)

sophiethecat 10-21-2011 03:05 PM

Hi Dottie! :hiya:

What Pat said about the importance of getting those UD calories in. Think about the way our bodies developed over ages past, a "feast and famine" diet may have been the way it was. Eat and eat when food was there one day (UD), and the next the hunt might not have been successful and there was little to eat (DD).

Whatever one thinks of that, it seems like JUDDD keeps the metabolism revved and the body guessing, which is a good thing :up:

Dottie 10-21-2011 03:32 PM

So because I'm a little slow (lol). I've had 1 down day, but 100 cals over, followed today by a medium day, would tomorrow be a true down day or an up day?

Dottie 10-21-2011 03:33 PM

I swear I have the book but it did more to confuse me than explain ;)

SoHappy 10-21-2011 03:54 PM

Yeah... well, that book... :annoyed:

Here are some suggestions about the up and down rhythm of the days.

Some people find it easy to just do a straight alternating pattern. UD - DD - UD - DD...... and that's pretty much that. Really easy.

Some want every Monday and Wednesday and Friday to be UDs, because those are the days they want to go to the gym, and they want fuel on those days. Therefore, they are going to have Tuesday and Thursday be DDs, and hmmmmm..... either Saturday or Sunday be the other UD, and then.... that leaves the MD for the other weekend day, whichever one can be the Up or the Medium.. doesn't matter.

So maybe your rotation will look like this:

Monday will be a DD
Tuesday will be an UD
Wednesday will be another DD
Thursday will be another UD
Friday is a DD
Saturday is an UD (because everyone is going out for a FUN evening!)
Sunday is held to a MD

and then Monday starts in again as the DD
and the rotation begins another week

Dottie 10-21-2011 04:00 PM

Ah thanks, wish the book explained it that way lol :D

SoHappy 10-21-2011 04:10 PM

Or, I guess I should add, the UD and DD are easily reversed too, making whichever days you want as your UD or your DDs.

Most of us have certain routines in our lives and throughout our weeks so sort of know ahead of time how to best schedule our JUDDD to make it as compatible with our busy lives as can be.

Speck333 10-21-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottie (Post 15109728)
Hello :)
I do primal, so I avoid foods with a lot of chemicals as much as I can (most times lol).
I was checking my food log for the last few weeks and I saw that I was eating very little - most days 500-800 calories for weeks on end.
So I decided to pig out 2 days ago and ate 2300 calories (which is my UP day total according to the calculator).
Yesterday was 605 calories, and I was completely satisfied. That's above what the calculator says my down day should be by a little over 100 calories.
Today is about 900 calories and I don't imagine I'll be eating anything else today. (medium day?)

Surprisingly, my weight was the same the day after the 2300 calories, and I was down half a pound today. Because of pms, on top of that, I expected a 5-6pound gain lol.

Sorry for droning on!
My question I guess is: does anyone else do a primal style plan and JUDDD?
I have the book on my kindle and I've glanced through it, but I'm still a little confused on the scheduling of UD/DD/MD.
I know you're not supposed to have 2 DD's in a row, but can you do a DD then a MD then an UD? I can't eat that much every other day I dont think lol!

Well, I just started yesterday, but that's my intention, more or less! :) I say "primalish" for myself because I do consume artificial sweeteners (daily) and peanut products (weekly)... and I don't lift heavy things too often :laugh: Also, my ability to obtain grass-fed and organic this and that is extremely limited.

Dottie 10-21-2011 04:20 PM

Oh I know about the grass fed! Luckily Randalls had the 1lb tubes of 93% lean grass fed hormone free ground beef on sale a few weeks ago and I got a bunch of it for the freezer lol.
Other than that, the selection here pretty much bites.
I did get some buffalo from Kroger and I was not impressed at all. It was expensive and just blah.

Speck333 10-21-2011 04:27 PM

At this point in my life, I cannot justify spending 3 times as much on these things. I have a family to feed, and while I'm torn between wanting us all to have the best food available, I have to settle for the best food we can afford. And would you believe, even here in hippy dippy SoCal, the selection and prices on organic produce stinks!? And I have never even seen grass fed beef or butter at my regular market. I've seen it at the Henry's (now Sprouts) across town for like $8 a pound. We have a little farmer's market in my town on Saturdays, and again, the selection and prices stink. And I actually live nearby agricultural areas. Not a single old-fashioned butcher to be found anywhere near me.

itsmeshelly01 10-21-2011 04:36 PM

I eat very clean and do my own version of juddd. I eat veggies and boiled eggs, tuna muffins on DDs. Right now I'm reading the warrior diet. Very very good read. His concepts are right on targe with the way I bet things were. I am loving the book. If you are doing paleo I really suggest reading it. I'm not tfollowing the eating plan. His plan is eating very light during the day, only veggies, a little protein maybe and having 1 big meal in the evening. I think juddd works the same tho. changing things up in the body. Detoxing 1 day and then eating heartily the next. Also totally agree aboutmaking those UDs count. If I make sure to eat quite a bit and hit my ceiling on UDs my DDs are much much easier. I'm eating about 1800 to 1900 cals on UDs and 600 to 700 on DDs. I do things a little differnt. I only do mon wed fri DDs. Sat is a carb up day for me. I follow a ketogenic diet with a refeed on sat. I lift weights so this works really well for me. I am losing about a lb a week and keeping and building muscle. I'm loving it.
I don't post much at all but I read everyday. Good luck and I really suggest that book. Its wonderful. I have learned a lot from it.

SoHappy 10-21-2011 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by itsmeshelly01 (Post 15110110)
I eat very clean and do my own version of juddd. I eat veggies and boiled eggs, tuna muffins on DDs. Right now I'm reading the warrior diet. Very very good read. His concepts are right on targe with the way I bet things were. I am loving the book. If you are doing paleo I really suggest reading it. I'm not tfollowing the eating plan. His plan is eating very light during the day, only veggies, a little protein maybe and having 1 big meal in the evening. I think juddd works the same tho. changing things up in the body. Detoxing 1 day and then eating heartily the next. Also totally agree aboutmaking those UDs count. If I make sure to eat quite a bit and hit my ceiling on UDs my DDs are much much easier. I'm eating about 1800 to 1900 cals on UDs and 600 to 700 on DDs. I do things a little differnt. I only do mon wed fri DDs. Sat is a carb up day for me. I follow a ketogenic diet with a refeed on sat. I lift weights so this works really well for me. I am losing about a lb a week and keeping and building muscle. I'm loving it.
I don't post much at all but I read everyday. Good luck and I really suggest that book. Its wonderful. I have learned a lot from it.

I wondered where you were, Shelly, and I'm so glad you posted. I'm tickled pink to hear this is still working so wonderfully for you, because it sounds not just doable but fun, and oh, so good for you. Exciting to hear you are losing about a pound a week at the same time you are BUILDING more muscle! So... I wonder how much fat you must actually be losing to balance against muscle growth, if the scale shows a loss of only a pound.

Glad your body loves this so much. I think the calorie cycling is very good for a body, very healing for so many of us who have managed to bring our bodies down into the abyss of negative ability to function normally. :annoyed: Leave it to us. Given enough years, we can manage to break anything, even ourselves. JUDDD has me feeling better than I've felt in years!

sophiethecat 10-21-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by itsmeshelly01 (Post 15110110)
I eat very clean and do my own version of juddd. I eat veggies and boiled eggs, tuna muffins on DDs. Right now I'm reading the warrior diet. Very very good read. His concepts are right on targe with the way I bet things were. I am loving the book. If you are doing paleo I really suggest reading it. I'm not tfollowing the eating plan. His plan is eating very light during the day, only veggies, a little protein maybe and having 1 big meal in the evening. I think juddd works the same tho. changing things up in the body. Detoxing 1 day and then eating heartily the next. Also totally agree aboutmaking those UDs count. If I make sure to eat quite a bit and hit my ceiling on UDs my DDs are much much easier. I'm eating about 1800 to 1900 cals on UDs and 600 to 700 on DDs. I do things a little differnt. I only do mon wed fri DDs. Sat is a carb up day for me. I follow a ketogenic diet with a refeed on sat. I lift weights so this works really well for me. I am losing about a lb a week and keeping and building muscle. I'm loving it.
I don't post much at all but I read everyday. Good luck and I really suggest that book. Its wonderful. I have learned a lot from it.

Hi Shelly, nice to meet you! :shake:

It's neat to hear about your experience with JUDDD and how you've adapted it. Sounds like you're getting ssstttrrrong with your workouts! Love it! :high5:

tiva 10-21-2011 05:04 PM

I don't do primal, but I do eat only grass-fed beef, happy cows and chickens, and wild fish. Eat Wild is an amazing resource---it lets you find all the local farmers who will sell pastured, happy meat directly to you. I found some wonderful farmers who live nearby (who knew??) and who sell me grass-fed meat for less than nasty meat from Walmart. So we bought a freezer on craiglist, and I stock up from my neighbor every now and again. I pay $3.50 a lb for excellent grass-fed burger, $4 a lb for great pork chops and pork steaks, etc. And it tastes good.

I minimize frankenfoods and low-fat foods on JUDDD. We have laying hens, so I use whole eggs, but on DDs, I use the egg whites, and on UD I use the yolks.I use heavy cream on all days, and coconut oil, and olive oil (but much less on DD). I did buy oat fiber from netrition and glucommanan, and I make very low calorie muffins with them for DDs. And I bought the peanut butter powders with the fat removed--great for quick treats, and delicious when I mix it with coconut oil on UDs.

Otherwise, I stay pretty close to my food choices from before, but I eat a lot more berries and veggies than I could before. I had maintained on LC for almost 9 years, but I found that once I hit menopause, to keep the weight off I had to eliminate more and more foods that I loved (nuts, cheeses, many veggies and berries). JUDDD lets me have those foods. The tradeoff is hunger on DDs! But it's getting better, now that I eat more fat on DDs.

Good luck, Dottie. You might find JUDDD to be a useful tool for getting the scale moving again. You don't need to eat artificial or low-fat anything to do well with JUDDD. (And you don't need to read the book, either! I go on what I found here at this site, adapted to my own organic, grass-fed preferences).

tiva 10-21-2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by itsmeshelly01 (Post 15110110)
tuna muffins on DDs..

Do you have a recipe for the tuna muffins? Sorry for the threadjack, Dottie!

Speck333 10-21-2011 05:40 PM

I checked that EatWild website... not a single thing within 100 miles of me. Such a shame!

putthekettleon 10-21-2011 07:04 PM

This is such an interesting thread. I'm not on JUDD, but I love reading these threads because the only thing that EVER worked for me was limiting calories, be it Weight Watchers, calorie counting or the old food exchange system (if anyone remembers that).

I'm afraid of JUDD because I'm afraid of hunger on the DDays. But I'll tell you this. Calorie cycling works. On my last successful calorie counting foray, I just naturally kept my calories lower on some days, then went higher on other days (always averaging out to how many calories I should be eating in a day anyway).

I love reading these threads. So I hope you don't mind me lurking, even if I don't follow JUDDD!

putthekettleon 10-21-2011 07:05 PM

I forgot to add the most important point. When I cycled my calories I lost double the amount in a week than I'd normally lose. I still can't get over it. Calorie cycling works.


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