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Old 10-24-2010, 07:15 PM   #121
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Thanks for the info loves2sing! I'll try and read through the JUDDD site and JUDDD threads starting tomorrow, I just didn't want to wait to get started. I hope this works for me. It sounds like a really liveable plan if it can get me down to my goal weight. Thanks for the help.
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Hi JUDDers--
Sorry I didn't post over the weekend, but I was away visiting my niece at college. (And it was a weekend of too many carbs and calories, so I'm counting on JUDDD to minimize the damage now that I'm back on track!)

dasiey- I don't know what to suggest with your schedule, but my guess would be for you to go with what works best for you. My inclination would be that wake to sleep would be the most natural, but I've never worked shifts like that, so I can't be sure. As you know from reading these threads, we all are different in our needs, so just trust yourself with this.

So Happy- As you've been advised, that UD you describe seems fine. You don't have to worry about getting a specific number of calories on UDs; you should eat to be satisfied and try not to overeat. Some of us (me!) actually have to watch calories fairly carefully on UDs, but others can eat more freely. The key to JUDDD is the DD, and keeping the UD in 'control'--i.e., not a binge, which has been a problem for some people.

Jodi- Thanks for asking about the cat! I didn't go broke, fortunately (bill was $750, but I was anticipating about $2000). I won't have specific results for another week because they did a test of his kidney function that has to be analyzed at another lab. But the specialist affirmed what my own vet has mentioned--i.e., we can never know exactly what has caused his kidney problems nor can they anticipate the course it will take--whether it will be rapidley progressive or remain fairly stable long term. (I'm encouraged by the fact that since his first symptoms in June, all his tests have been basically the same numbers showing that he's been stable at these levels.) When we get the results of his kidney function, the vets will know exactly how well (or poorly) the kidneys are working.

After that, he'll probably have to be monitored every 3 months to see how he's doing. I hate that he'll have to endure these regular blood tests because it's so stressful for a cat, but my primary vet is a wonderful guy, and I'm sure he'll be giving me advice on how to make this as easy on my boy as possible. When my first cat was elderly and nearing the end, my vet gave me so many tips on ways to make her more comfortable and ease things for her. I trust he'll help with this as well.
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Welcome, NewSize! I'm a newbie here too, although an old timer at LCF. I'm mostly maintaining my weight, but at a bit higher level than would be ideal for me, so thought I'd find out how this JUDDDD works for me. So we can learn how to do it together!

So far, I'm LOVING it! I don't get too hungry on the low cal days, and I'm able to keep at about 500 or below without much trouble by focusing on a lot of veggies on that day. I'll be looking forward to reading your menus for the down days as I'm always interested in new ideas that will appeal to me.

Had a MAJOR Up Day yesterday, although just two meals, which seems to be how my body likes to eat. I feasted without gorging myself senseless, and am up only .2 of a pound this morning. Thrilling, as I thought I'd probably have undone it all. And hopefully the DD today will undo that small gain.

Hope Everybody has a great and successful day. I'll read your posts with interest later this evening.
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Welcome to all the newbies!

I did the calorie cycling last week and lost 1.5 pounds. Go me, but like Cynthia has said, constantly keeping track of calories sure gets old. I think I am going to try and somehow merge Juddd and calorie cycling together. Till I figure that out, sticking to basically Juddd.

I had an easy DD yesterday especially with the help of my aching tummy.
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Kelly- I'm not sure exactly what you mean by merging JUDDD and calorie cycling--since JUDDD is basically a form of calorie cycling. Is it that you don't count on UDs when you're doing JUDDD? If so, I can see that would be a relief.

Alas, I need to count every day. . . .
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Kelly- I'm not sure exactly what you mean by merging JUDDD and calorie cycling--since JUDDD is basically a form of calorie cycling. Is it that you don't count on UDs when you're doing JUDDD? If so, I can see that would be a relief.

Alas, I need to count every day. . . .
Exactly! I stalled after week 2, so I think I had way to much uncontrollable eating on my UD. Hence my merge...lol.

and yea, it sucks to have to count em everyday.
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Welcome to all the newbies!

I did the calorie cycling last week and lost 1.5 pounds. Go me, but like Cynthia has said, constantly keeping track of calories sure gets old. I think I am going to try and somehow merge Juddd and calorie cycling together. Till I figure that out, sticking to basically Juddd.

I had an easy DD yesterday especially with the help of my aching tummy.
I think I know how you feel. I had success cycling calories, but it got to be too much work counting out my different set of calories for the day. It's much easier for me to stay with the same calories for the day. JUDDD was easy in that my DD meals were pretty much the same - veggie soup during the day and a nice dinner at night. I had the calories for my food items memorized.
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Thanks for the welcome everyone. I started today at 175.8 (up 2 from yesterday ), so that will be my official starting weight. I think I won't weigh in again until after my first DD next week, Tuesday.

Thankfully the day's almost over, because I've had exactly 500 calories so far, and I'm hungry. LOL I kind of started this without planning, so tomorrow on my UD I'll go shopping and try and get some good low-calorie choices for Wednesday's DD.

PS - is it normal to get a headache on DDs at first, and if so how long does it usually take before they stop being an issue? Thanks.
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PS - is it normal to get a headache on DDs at first, and if so how long does it usually take before they stop being an issue? Thanks.

Some people have reported headaches. I didn't have any, myself.

Be sure to drink lots of no-calorie liquids on your DDs.

I have water & different kinds of tea all day long... I like to start with a mug of green tea in the morning, then have a mug of flavored black tea, and then, after lunch, move to no-caffeine herb teas. All without sweetener. They are delicious, and when I vary the flavors from day to day, I feel like I get a luxurious treat with each mug of tea.

Congrats on getting started!
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Like Cynthia, I didn't have any headaches when I began, but others have reported them for the first couple of DDs. Also like Cynthia, I drink hot liquids all day--black coffee all morning and green tea all afternoon. I think it really helps with the hunger.

By the way, one thing that helps is to 'save' 50 cal or so for late on a DD in case you get so hungry that you really need to eat. I've found that a little snack like that will get me through.

For me, the key to all this has been planning. For both DDs and UDs, I have my food planned in advance so that I'm sure of the calorie count--and, especially for DDs, I don't need to think about food at all during the day.
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also. I spread my dd calories thru out the day. I have alot of low cal. items on hand to get me thru. I also drink black coffee and green tea. and water. I wait as long as I can to eat on dds and I eat very slowly. I heard some where that it takes 15 minutes for your stomach to tell your brain its full.

I dunno it works for me.
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I am thinking about trying this. What is the average loss per week for others? I am also taking HHCG.
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As with any weight loss plan, the loss per week entirely depends on the individual. A person's age, medical condition, etc. all impacts weight loss. Many of us have come to JUDDD because we were unable to lose with traditional plans, and losses have varied from 1 to 2 lbs a week. As with many plans, some experience greater losses in the early weeks.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but your signature lists "HCG my way," and my understanding of the HCG protocol is that it has to be done exactly as specified. I read in another thread that because of the hormones you're taking, it's not advised unless the person follows the protocol as prescribed.
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Well, I just finished my first full week back on JUDD, I haven't done it since early in 2009 because I switched to Stillmans. When I hit a plateau on Stillmans and realized constant calorie restriction wasn't working, I thought I would come back and try JUDD. It's amazing how my body does not like to stay in one place calorie wise. Too many calories and I gain...too few and I won't lose!

Anyway, for by first week....I have lost 2.6 lbs

Now, I know that is just the first week. But, I have truly enjoyed a rest in the constant restriction I felt on Stillmans plus adding veggies and fruit has been a treat for me!

Yesterday was a DD and I had:

coffee (several cups)
90 calorie Special K bar
celery/Lite Laughing cow cheese

Then: I had a dinner party, unfortunately, and I had a slice of lean brisket, a bite of roasted goat (yum), a cup of romaine with dressing and a bite of no flour cake and apple dumpling.

Now I know that sounds like A TON for a DD and it was higher than I wanted but I added the calorie when I got home and I fell between 600-650.

JUDD says my DDs should be around that mark, but normally shoot for 500 or below. It just goes to show you can work this plan, even on DDs, if you work hard!
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daisey - I too have a lot of low cal foods on hand to help in case of emergency. It's funny because sometimes I find I want those on my UDs too!

NewSize - I too drink hot liquids most of the day. It really helps me because it seems that on my DDs I am cold most of the day! I also would wait to weigh until you have at least two DDs under your belt. I think it makes a difference for sure!

Redeemed - Glad to see you are here!!! I remember you from when I was on JUDD the first time. You and LEO are such encouragers!!

To everyone else....HAPPY JUDDING!
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Thanks for the suggestions Cynthia, Leo41 and dasiey. I ended up at 610 calories for my first DD. It was a little hard, but not as bad as I thought it would be. I'm better prepared today, I think, after reading all your suggestions and planning ahead.

So the plan for today's DD is to wait as long as possible before I eat anything and drink lots of water and tea to see if I can't keep the calories down to 500. I also like the suggestion to save about 50 calories for the end of the day in case I need them. I'll try that today too. Thanks again everyone.
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Sorry to be a thread hog but...

Just thought I would add - today is my UD and still haven't eaten yet. I don't wake up ravenous like you would expect on my UDs. Getting ready for an apple though and I am so happy to have my fruit!
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Newsize - waiting as long as possible is what I do and it seems to help DD not be so hard. I will tell you though if you get hungry drinking (water, coffee, or other liquids) helps the tummy growls to subside somewhat.
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NewSize - I too drink hot liquids most of the day. It really helps me because it seems that on my DDs I am cold most of the day! I also would wait to weigh until you have at least two DDs under your belt. I think it makes a difference for sure!
Thanks msgirl. It's so hard to stay away from the scale, but I'm really going to try and wait until after the first week to weigh myself.

Just a question about weighing while doing JUDDD for anyone who has an opinion -- I know Dr. J suggests on his site to weigh in after a DD, but as long as I wait a week to weigh, wouldn't it be a more accurate reflection of where I'm at to weigh in after an UD? I'm just thinking that because after a DD the scale would go way down, and after an UD it would go up some, and my starting weight wasn't taken after a DD - so I guess that's why it seemed that weighing after an UD in one week would be more reflective of my true loss for that week. Does that make sense? I don't have the book, so I don't know if that's addressed there or not. Maybe I'm overthinking it. What do you do?
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Newsize - waiting as long as possible is what I do and it seems to help DD not be so hard. I will tell you though if you get hungry drinking (water, coffee, or other liquids) helps the tummy growls to subside somewhat.
Msgirl, I didn't see this post when I responded to your other message. Thanks for the help. That's what I'm trying to do today, wait as long as possible before eating and drink lots of fluids. I like the added benefit of drinking my water - less tummy growls. Sometimes I think they must be so loud the neighbors could hear them. :blush:
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Congratulations on the loss! I have the same issue--i.e., too many calories and I'll gain, but too few, and I don't lose. It's tough finding the right balance, but JUDDD has helped me with that.

I'm curious--did you get a 600 cal DD from the JUDDD calculator? I ask because I weigh more than you do, and my DD# is 370 cal--for weight loss.

Perhaps you have the higher number because you're already at a good weight for your height.

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Good luck with your DD! I'm the maverick on this board because I'm a 'morning eater' (got into that habit from meds that needed to be taken with food). I always eat as soon as I get up, but it's always protein--to control hunger. Breakfast takes care of most of my calories for the day. On DDs, I often don't eat after noon, although occasionally I'll have a cup of broth (50 cal) about 3 pm.

I would not weigh after an UD--based on my own experience with JUDDD. There were times when I was tempted to check my weight mid-week, and I find that JUDDD causes bigger fluctuations than any other plan. I could be up 2-3 lbs mid-week if I weighed after an UD--and sometimes even after a DD! Just pick a time to weigh weekly, and I'd advise sticking to the 'after a DD' routine just to try or the lowest number:-)
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Hey Juddders!

Leo - It's great to see you

I am here and still JUDDDing away. I am still struggling with what I have always struggled with. I do perfect during the week, and then weekends it goes all to H***. I know when I make up my mind to stop doing that, I will. For now, I have no idea what's going on or why I am sabotaging myself.

Glad to see everyone doing well!
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Good luck with your DD! I'm the maverick on this board because I'm a 'morning eater' (got into that habit from meds that needed to be taken with food). I always eat as soon as I get up, but it's always protein--to control hunger. Breakfast takes care of most of my calories for the day. On DDs, I often don't eat after noon, although occasionally I'll have a cup of broth (50 cal) about 3 pm.

I would not weigh after an UD--based on my own experience with JUDDD. There were times when I was tempted to check my weight mid-week, and I find that JUDDD causes bigger fluctuations than any other plan. I could be up 2-3 lbs mid-week if I weighed after an UD--and sometimes even after a DD! Just pick a time to weigh weekly, and I'd advise sticking to the 'after a DD' routine just to try or the lowest number:-)
Wow, I'm impressed. It sounds like you are pretty much fasting for a good part of the day! That's a lot of self-control. No wonder you've been so successful.

Thank you for responding to my question about weighing in. Looking at your stats, you've had a lot of success, and I really appreciate your input. Those daily scale fluctuations sound like something I don't want to know about, so I'll take your advice and stick to a once a week weigh in, after a DD.
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LEO - you made me question my calories - so I went back to the calculator and checked Anyway, the first time it came up with DDs being 693, so I thought I am gonna do this 3 more times just to be certain, well then it changed to 451 and that was using 150 as my weight from last week. So, it showed my DDs at 451 and UDs as 2254. I don't know I am gonna try to keep it right at 500 if I am still losing. Obviously, I will lower it to 400 or so if I stop losing.

Could it be my height and my exercise that would make mine so different from yours? I do run/jog and speed walk 3-5 times a week.

But, either way, thank you for bringing that to my attention. I don't want to overdo the DDs for sure!
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It could be all kinds of factors that influence the calculator numbers, but I don't know of anyone who got over 600 cal to lose. I was 254 lbs when I started JUDDD, and my DD cal # was 430!

By the way, you know that you can pretty much ignore the UD number? Even Dr. J admits that's not important. If I ate the calories I get from the calculator on UDs, I'd never lose! You just need to find a level for UDs that's comfortable for you and allows you to lose.

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Perhaps the problem is a lack of 'urgency' to lose? Now that I'm supposed to be 'maintaining' (would like to lose 10 more lbs!), I'm finding that I tend to go overboard on some UDs, especially those involving social engagements. I keep wondering why I'm doing this because it becomes a 'feast or famine' situation when what I'm trying to do is find a comfortable level fo maintaining at this weight.

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You'll be much better off not weighing too frequently if you're anything like me. The few times I weighed mid-week and saw a jump of 3-4 lbs, I was really depressed and had difficulty sticking to my DDs (what's the use?). Fortunately, I got through the week on plan and saw my 'true' loss for the week, and that's how I discovered those crazy fluctuations. I'm sure it has something to do with the calorie cycling process, and the high weight doesn't last--but it's something I'm better off not seeing
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Leo- do you think height and percentage of weight loss would influence DD numbers? I could've sworn I read loves2sing said hers was mid 600's. I may have read wrong though. I am however, striving for 500 on my DD I never keep up with the UD numbers, I just eat what I want but don't overstuff. It is truly a learning processfor all of us!


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Leo -

This is what I meant from loves2sing -
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I was probably wrong - but I was thinking the weight loss range....not necessarily staying in the lowest range of 20%. I may have hit the 25 or 30% weight loss range when I did the first numbers.

I am 5'8.5" so that may have something to do with my calorie intake as well.



But, you are definitely more versed in JUDD than I am. So, I will hover around 500 - I think I may lose faster with only 350 or so but I may end up sabotaging myself if I go that low. It is such a learning process with weight loss!



I am losing though and my goal is 500 or under for DDs!
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wow this tread as beed busy. I don't have anything to add.
I just try to stay under 500 calories on dds. today is dd. and my transition
back to working midnights. so 500 calories is going to have to last along
time. until thurs day around 6pm. so far I have had nothing.
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Perhaps the problem is a lack of 'urgency' to lose? Now that I'm supposed to be 'maintaining' (would like to lose 10 more lbs!), I'm finding that I tend to go overboard on some UDs, especially those involving social engagements. I keep wondering why I'm doing this because it becomes a 'feast or famine' situation when what I'm trying to do is find a comfortable level fo maintaining at this weight.
Leo - That very well could be the reason. My sense of urgency tends to go up and down. I really do need to lose at least 10 more lbs for my height, but I tend to justify and say that I look okay. Then other times I know I don't want to just look okay, and want to look fit and healthy. For me personally, with 10lbs to lose, that doesn't look fit and healthy.

So, with all the being said, I am about to hit the treadmill..LOL.
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