January 2010 JUDDD/Alternate Day Diet Thread (We can do hard things....) - Page 2

EmandM · 01-02-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ouizoid

Hi JUDDD peeps. I have been lurking on your board for a loooong time, and I have questions. The few times I have tried a down day, I just could NOT seem to get my calories below say 800, which discourages me from trying this--You all make it seem so effortless. I have read the sticky and been to the JUDDD site--but I am wondering how you make it through to dinner or whenever you eat the bulk of your calories. This plan really calls to me--but I wonder if I can really do it

Ouis

Hi and welcome. I try and fast as long as I can on DD's, but some people (ie Leo) eat most of their DD cals in the morning. She is finished eating by around 2:00 for the day. I think it depends on your body and what works for you. Some people are starving after carbs (ie. a bowl of oatmeal) while others, like myself, do not follow low-carb, so that is something I can eat. I keep my cals and fat low and my fiber and protein high on DD's. Some DD's I fast all day and eat my meal around 5:00 with my family. That way I can eat whatever they are eating, I just make sure it's a 500 cal portion. They do get easier. I remember white-knuckling my way through the first few and then they got easier. But, I still have hard ones at times and I just tell myself I can eat tomorrow (pickles are great for satisfying hunger as are cans of V-8).

Good luck!

As for the protein powder, I need to avoid whey as per my cancer specialist. So I will have to look into other sources that are not whey and not processed! lol

seoulgrlsara · 01-02-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Redeemed

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If I eat the bulk of my calories during the early part of the day, there is no big dinner in the evening. The evening meal is my favorite, that is why I save my calories for then. Some here on the thread are morning eaters, and some like Seoulgrlsara seem to space out their meals evenly. It's totally individual. Whatever works best for you. As for the 800 calories. I say try it and see if you loose. I could be wrong, but I think Batlou used to give himself 800 calories, you might try PM'ing him.

What she said.

It all comes down to willpower. You have to listen to that voice in the evening that says "tomorrow..you can eat tomorrow".

And actually I didn't think at first Id be able to do it but its amazing with a little creativity and research, how much you can eat for 500 calories. Just look on these threads for people (like me) who post their menu's, and get some ideas.

I completed yesterday (my 3rd DD) with success. At 7 pm we decided to go to the movies...I had 100 calories left, so I popped 3 cups of airpop corn (90 caloreis) and put them in a sandwich bag and I had a snack at the movies. Worked perfectly.

Im going away for the night today, which means Im not sure how tomorrow's down day is going to go. I didn't want to take a moderate day so early in the program...... but Im thinking of doing today and tomorrow moderate...or just suffer all day tomorrow and eat my 500 calories at dinner tomorrow when we are at my parents in law. Its a battle of the mind right now. I think I will go fo the latter. Any advice?

Last night all I could think about was what I would eat this morning. Here it is 10:52 and I have done my Turbo Jam Cardio Party workout and had a 40 calorie protein crystal. Weird. I know we are going to Wendy's tonight though..... its kids choice. Thankfully its an UD!

Redeemed · 01-02-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by seoulgrlsara

What she said.

It all comes down to willpower. You have to listen to that voice in the evening that says "tomorrow..you can eat tomorrow".

And actually I didn't think at first Id be able to do it but its amazing with a little creativity and research, how much you can eat for 500 calories. Just look on these threads for people (like me) who post their menu's, and get some ideas.

I completed yesterday (my 3rd DD) with success. At 7 pm we decided to go to the movies...I had 100 calories left, so I popped 3 cups of airpop corn (90 caloreis) and put them in a sandwich bag and I had a snack at the movies. Worked perfectly.

Im going away for the night today, which means Im not sure how tomorrow's down day is going to go. I didn't want to take a moderate day so early in the program...... but Im thinking of doing today and tomorrow moderate...or just suffer all day tomorrow and eat my 500 calories at dinner tomorrow when we are at my parents in law. Its a battle of the mind right now. I think I will go fo the latter. Any advice?Last night all I could think about was what I would eat this morning. Here it is 10:52 and I have done my Turbo Jam Cardio Party workout and had a 40 calorie protein crystal. Weird. I know we are going to Wendy's tonight though..... its kids choice. Thankfully its an UD!

Sometimes if I work until late, I will space out my meals. The best plan I have for that is three fried egg sandwiches made with 45 calorie bread. You can add egg beaters to the eggs when frying them and it increases the volume of the fried egg filling for sandwiches. Mustard is zero calories - so I use that iinstead of butter. A slice of tomato or onion adds weight and flavor.

aim in Fla*working · 01-02-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by EmandM

Hi and welcome. I try and fast as long as I can on DD's, but some people (ie Leo) eat most of their DD cals in the morning. She is finished eating by around 2:00 for the day. I think it depends on your body and what works for you. Some people are starving after carbs (ie. a bowl of oatmeal) while others, like myself, do not follow low-carb, so that is something I can eat. I keep my cals and fat low and my fiber and protein high on DD's. Some DD's I fast all day and eat my meal around 5:00 with my family. That way I can eat whatever they are eating, I just make sure it's a 500 cal portion. They do get easier. I remember white-knuckling my way through the first few and then they got easier. But, I still have hard ones at times and I just tell myself I can eat tomorrow (pickles are great for satisfying hunger as are cans of V-8).

Good luck!

As for the protein powder, I need to avoid whey as per my cancer specialist. So I will have to look into other sources that are not whey and not processed! lol

EmandM-would you share with me what was said about whey? I unserstood soy to be a big no no for me wioth thyroid cancer but what about whey?

ouizoid · 01-02-2010, 09:09 AM

ok--so I am hearing a couple of things--It might be helpful to delay eating as long as possible, and creativity around eating. I also eat lowcarb and will do so on my up days as well--but lowcarb tends to be higher fat, and one thing I am finding is that contrary to all the conventional knowledge on LCF, I can NOT lose weight with higher fat. I am menopausal and hypothyroid. I am wondering if JUDDD might be the ticket for me--but of course, I have not yet had much success with dd. I so appreciate everyone's advice!

Ouis

aim in Fla*working · 01-02-2010, 09:09 AM

how much have you guys lost with Juddd-ing?

Redeemed · 01-02-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ouizoid

ok--so I am hearing a couple of things--It might be helpful to delay eating as long as possible, and creativity around eating. I also eat lowcarb and will do so on my up days as well--but lowcarb tends to be higher fat, and one thing I am finding is that contrary to all the conventional knowledge on LCF, I can NOT lose weight with higher fat. I am menopausal and hypothyroid. I am wondering if JUDDD might be the ticket for me--but of course, I have not yet had much success with dd. I so appreciate everyone's advice!

Ouis

You can do JUDDD and LC. Many on this thread do. There are others on this thread who are menopausal and hypothyroid who do LC with success. I'm sure you'll be hearing from them as the day goes on.

Redeemed · 01-02-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aim in Fla*working

how much have you guys lost with Juddd-ing?

I lost an initial 11 or 12 pounds within two weeks. But, as I have shared, I also went off Prometrium at the same time I started JUDDD. I need to gain control of my UD's and start logging calories again. I'm still optimistic about JUDDD. I love the concept and need to MAKE IT WORK for me. I have my notebook ready for tomorrow and am looking forward to the New Year with JUDDD.

aim in Fla*working · 01-02-2010, 09:27 AM

that is great-Redeemed!

seoulgrlsara · 01-02-2010, 09:57 AM

I've only been Juddding since monday, and I weighed in this morning after a down day just for fun at 216. On monday I was 223.

ouizoid · 01-02-2010, 10:26 AM

Wow SG--that is amazing! Here is another question--I work out most days--how do you deal with that on a DD? Does it make you hungrier?

Redeemed · 01-02-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by seoulgrlsara

I've only been Juddding since monday, and I weighed in this morning after a down day just for fun at 216. On monday I was 223.

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nitenurse · 01-02-2010, 10:58 AM

Ouiz-I lost 20 lbs June-August, then went off it for a month, tried a different plan for another month, and then spent the next couple months on JUDDD getting back to where I was in August, then lost 5 lbs more Nov & Dec. Total for 6 months was 25#.
I have been on LowCarb forever, since 1972. and it was working well for maintainence but not so much for weight loss, always on a plateau of some kind, JUDDD is the first real progress I have made in the last couple years.
I still lowcarb, for health reasons, I am also postmenopausal and thyroid issues. If I can average a pound a week I would be estatic. I try to make sure that I get enough protein on both DD and UDs. Less fat on DDs, trying to stay at 500 cals, regular lowcarb on UDs.
If you can only do 800 cals on DDs, just be really careful and see what happens???Have you got the book? Have you checked the website for Dr. Johnson to see what cals he recommends for you?
When I was first doing this I was having 2 shakes a day and a hamburger patty with lowcarb catsup and onions every DD. Pretty boring but easy and quick.. could also have wrapped that in a lettuce leaf. and had some pickles......Worked for both lowcarb and DD. .Some of the others on this site do better by having solid food, carefully measured for the DDs. For me, the less I have to think about this on DDs the better off I am.

Blood Sugar 101 · 01-02-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ouizoid

Hi JUDDD peeps. I have been lurking on your board for a loooong time, and I have questions. The few times I have tried a down day, I just could NOT seem to get my calories below say 800, which discourages me from trying this--You all make it seem so effortless. I have read the sticky and been to the JUDDD site--but I am wondering how you make it through to dinner or whenever you eat the bulk of your calories. This plan really calls to me--but I wonder if I can really do it

Ouis

I have been ignoring the whole concept of "meal" on the DDs. I let my Sweetie cook for himself on those days (the kids are grown and gone) and have two 200 calorie food servings one around lunch and one at dinner.

That's it. I find I have a couple periods when I'm hungry, but I take the radical approach of just BEING hungry. Getting busy helps a lot. I did all my end of year tax stuff yesterday, wrote long letters to friend and watched the Ohio football game. The hunger passes. I logged, out of curiosity and hit 415 total for the day, of which 100 calories was two cups of coffee.

I drink decaffeinated fruit flavored teas all day long when I feel like I have to put something in my stomach.

It's a whole different approach to eating than the diets that attempt to make you feel like you aren't changing anything.

Leo41 · 01-02-2010, 12:05 PM

EmandM-
I, too, would like to know why your doctor doesn't like whey if you can share that information. I think it's best to get my protein from whole foods, and that's why I've been avoiding whey for a while, but with these low calories, I was thinking of adding it again. But I don't want to do anything negative, so I'd really like to know if I should continue to avoid whey.

Ouis-
You can do JUDDD! I never thought I'd be able to do DDs either (and mine are 400cal or less), but the accomplishment of doing just one really helped me gain a sense of control over food. After you've been doing them for a while (a couple of weeks), I think you'll see what I mean.

I see that people have shared their experiences, and I hope you realize that it's important to know what will work for you (it might be trial and error at first). When I started, a lot of people were 'saving' their calories all day for an evening meal. I knew I'd never be able to do that. I need the assurance that I can eat. So I divided my calories into 3 'meals'--obviously, you need to revise your definition of 'meal.' But, as Sara has mentioned, you'd be surprised at the food you can get into a 150 cal. meal. If you read through our threads here, you'll see all sorts of things that we eat and drink. I get through my DDs with my morning coffee (a lot) and gallons of tea throughout the day--I drink both plain so they're free calories and very filling.

I am post-menopausal and hypothyroid, and I eat strictly low carb, but I came to JUDDD because in order to lose, I need to keep my calories to <1000 a day. That's too frustrating to do daily, but the alternation of JUDDD gives me days where I can eat 'normally' (i.e., 1400 cal. low carb).

I only work out on UDs (which Dr. J advises, too), but others have worked out on DDs. I swim laps, and I've done it on DDs twice (because of schedule problems) and didn't find that it made me any more hungry. By the way, if you're hypothyroid, you might be working at too much if you're doing it daily--at least that's what I've read.

I don't do true alternation. I have DDs on M, W, and Fri. for convenience, and I make either Saturday or Sunday a "medium" day to keep my rotation.
I started JUDDD at the end of Dec. last year, so I've just completed a year, and I averaged a pound a week (54 total). That is practically miraculous with my compromised metabolism, and I'm a big fan of JUDDD for those like me who simply cannot lose otherwise. It's tough, and if I could lose just eating low carb, I would not be doing JUDDD.

If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to post. We're all here to support each other.

EmandM · 01-02-2010, 12:10 PM

Sorry folks, it's soy I am to avoid, not whey! I hadn't realized my mistake until Nitenurse pm'd me to ask for more info, since she uses a lot of whey! Hope I didn't scare anyone (soy is still controversial regarding it's impact on breast cancer but my doc is adamant I stay away from it unless it's fermented like tempeh etc).

EmandM · 01-02-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by aim in Fla*working

EmandM-would you share with me what was said about whey? I unserstood soy to be a big no no for me wioth thyroid cancer but what about whey?

I just posted my mistake before reading this. That's exactly what I did; mixed up soy with whey! Soy is the no no, you are right!
:blush:

aim in Fla*working · 01-02-2010, 12:18 PM

whew! Thanks Emand for the update

WHey shakes are going to be a part of my life with JUDDD i am sure

Leo41 · 01-02-2010, 01:11 PM

Thanks for the update EmandM. I already avoid soy because of my thyroid, and I'd been trying to avoid whey because I try to avoid all processed foods. But I may need the protein, especially for DDs.

ouizoid · 01-02-2010, 02:18 PM

you guys are so helpful! I have made it thru so far today (it is 2pm) on about 200 cals--just hope I can make it thru the rest of the day. I do need to go back and look at some down days--do we have a recipe page or sticky for that? Do you all count supplements as part of your daily calories? The JUDDD site has me at slightly over 400 cals for my DD. Clearly I am going to have to do something about the half n half in my coffee and my supplements because there go 120 cals right there, erk. Thanks for all the feedback--I am thinking I will hold off on the exercise til tomorrow.

Ouis

snaggle · 01-02-2010, 02:45 PM

Happy new year everyone!

Welcome back AIM-- good to have you back. I lost 25 with JUDDD from april til the end of October, but have been fairly off plan since then between vacation, holidays and way too many social obligations. Hubby and I will be starting back strictly on Monday. I have at least kept up with working out and had only gained back 3 lbs last time I checked. Probably up a couple more now. Weigh in Tuesday morning.

Ouis- welcome to you too. I have had way better success by just saving all my calories (except for a little milk in my coffee) for dinner. You would be amazed at the good dinners you can create with 300-400 calories. When I first started, I just went for keeping them under 500, but now I find that I can manage with around 350. I usually do down days low carb because it is a more satisfying way to use my limited calories. I still enjoy carbs and try and keep them in moderation on up days, but I have no satiety mechanism when it comes to carbs. I also feel better when I cut out the bad carbs.

Glad to see everyone here.

Blood Sugar 101 · 01-02-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EmandM

Sorry folks, it's soy I am to avoid, not whey! I hadn't realized my mistake until Nitenurse pm'd me to ask for more info, since she uses a lot of whey! Hope I didn't scare anyone (soy is still controversial regarding it's impact on breast cancer but my doc is adamant I stay away from it unless it's fermented like tempeh etc).

You have a good doctor. Soy damages the gut lining allowing proteins to leak through and provoke autoimmune attack. It slows the thyroid. It mimics female hormones in ways that do very bad things to boy babies (I learned that the hard way as when my son was little and had allergies we were told soy was safer than dairy. He grew little boobs.)

Leo41 · 01-02-2010, 03:09 PM

Ouis

Yes, I count the calories in my supplements, but my fish oil seems to be the only one with significant calories.

I don't think we have any special place for all our DDs food suggestions. We mainly respond to people, and, quite frankly, a lot of our choices change over time. It's different if you're saving for one meal as Snaggle does, or eating throughout the day as I do most often (although I change at times).

My suggestion is to find things you like to eat for DDs because it's difficult enough to control the calories without eating things that are tasteless to you. Keep in mind that you may find that you like things that you never ate before (sardines for me).

I'm finding that the nice thing about my small 'meals' is that they help me be satisfied with less food--even on UDs--because I've become used to that portion size. In fact, when I eat a "normal" portion on an UD, I feel as though I'm having a feast!

ouizoid · 01-02-2010, 03:14 PM

Leo--you bring up a great point--how do you guys DO an up day after a down day? I usually find my appetite quite suppressed by undereating--I imagine not being very hungry tomorrow morning--I know my appetite usually kicks in after a couple of days of low calories, but not usually the second day--do you wait to eat til you are hungry on an up day???

ouizoid · 01-02-2010, 03:21 PM

by the way--I am really wanting to be hopeful about this--I have not lost weight in more than a year--as a matter of fact the only way i have lost weight in the last three years was the dreaded kimkins--it seems like lowcarb lowfat works, but the weight just POURED back on (I was originally down to 155), so i have been left feeling helpless--I can eat less than 1000 calories for days on end and not budge an ounce--what the hell is up with that? Leo, I do work out a fair amount (3x a week with a trainer)--you think that is further suppressing my thyroid? I should probably get it tested, it has been awhile--

sorry to be so voluble, but I SO need something to work.

Ouis

EmandM · 01-02-2010, 03:45 PM

Oius (and anyone else interested) Here is something mamapo posted awhile back and I copied and pasted into Word as I found it so helpful. She used to post here and I don't think she would mind me re-posting her advice:

1) Sticking to your DDs is like therapy - not being able to eat will force you to deal with those issues. You will find yourself working through them. Many of us have. Just make a pact to stick with the DD, on the DD, even when freaking out. Tell yourself "I can emotionally eat all I want tomorrow" and then let yourself go to that place you're afraid to go. Ask yourself what's really wrong, and then take the time to listen to the answer. :-)

2) I deal with the blood sugar thing on DDs too - my hints...

a) Save your calories for as long as you can. I do this all the time. My total DD calories are 400. I usually have one meeting a day, so I eat an apple or something like that, which is about 70 calories. It doesn't destroy my DD, it raises my blood sugar, and it helps me function. Always choose high fiber, high water, low calorie. Set a total caloric limit of 1/3 over the course of the day, so you can save 2/3 of your calories for your dinner (more on that in a minute)

b) learn your energy cycle and plan your meetings to avoid slumps, if you have control of scheduling.

3) Your night time eating habits are just that - habits. At first I struggled with this, but I found over time it gets better. In the meantime

a) Save 2/3 of your total daily calories for dinner. TO fill up before the main shebang, first drink a big glass of water (right before you leave work). Then while you're cooking dinner, start sipping hot tea, coffee, boullion, or broth. Keep sipping while you cook! By the time dinner comes, this will have helped stave hunger. THEN for a first course, eat a big plate of lettuce salad or drink a SF metamucil 'smoothie" made with 1 Tbsp metamucil, ice, and water. This will help fill you for about 20 calories. Then eat a normal dinner - just make the portions small enough that you come in under the limit. Then immediately end dinner with another hot drink. This will definitely help!

b) Foods that have nearly no calories and will fill you: metamucil smoothies, shiritaki noodles, lettuce, low carb green veggies like asparagus, green onions, miso soup, egg drop soup. Use all or any of these as fillers along with whatever you're already making.

c) This is a tweak, but I've found it works. Count your calories on the calculator like normal, then add extra work outs on DDs and allow yourself to eat that many extra calories. This will allow you to eat more, while yielding a net calorie limit that's the same. I only count this on "extra" workouts that I do on DDs above and beyond my normal routine. I only allow myself to eat the calories AFTER I did the extra workout - no cheating in hopes of working it off later! Life gets in the way too often for 'good intentions.

Hope this helps! As for your questions about eating on the UD, I did find my appetite was suppressed after undereating on the DD's. But after I began eating that day it came back. So if I waited until I felt a little hungry I was often waiting until 1:00 or 2:00 on an UD to be hungry and eat. But now I eat shortly after I first get up, and it stimulates my appetite.

EmandM · 01-02-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Blood Sugar 101

You have a good doctor. Soy damages the gut lining allowing proteins to leak through and provoke autoimmune attack. It slows the thyroid. It mimics female hormones in ways that do very bad things to boy babies (I learned that the hard way as when my son was little and had allergies we were told soy was safer than dairy. He grew little boobs.)

Yes, I am really lucky. I am high risk as there have been a lot of deaths from br. cancer at an early age (30's and 40's) in my family, as well as post-menauposal on both sides of the family. They tested me for the brca1 and 2 mutation and I am not a carrier (phew) but they didn't just drop me. They still monitor me throughout the year with clinical breast exams, MRI's etc and I get up-to-date info as it comes out.

ouizoid · 01-02-2010, 04:21 PM

Very helpful! Thanks!

aim in Fla*working · 01-02-2010, 04:40 PM

okay...I was over 500 a bit. Came out to 530 ..I am going to get a way to post my ******. Tomorrow is day.
Today I had 1 boiled egg (80) I whey shake(110) with a raw egg(80) and one pint of hot and sour soup.

aim in Fla*working · 01-02-2010, 04:45 PM

Total 596
darn...it was more...try again. Tomorrow is an UD...

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EmandM Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 754 Gallery: EmandM Stats: Maintaining at 114 (5'5" 35 yrs) WOE: JUDDD/Whole foods Start Date: JUDDD start date: Nov. '08	Soy, not whey! Sorry folks, it's soy I am to avoid, not whey! I hadn't realized my mistake until Nitenurse pm'd me to ask for more info, since she uses a lot of whey! Hope I didn't scare anyone (soy is still controversial regarding it's impact on breast cancer but my doc is adamant I stay away from it unless it's fermented like tempeh etc).

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ouizoid Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,920 Gallery: ouizoid Stats: 225/165/145 WOE: JUDDD	ok--so I am hearing a couple of things--It might be helpful to delay eating as long as possible, and creativity around eating. I also eat lowcarb and will do so on my up days as well--but lowcarb tends to be higher fat, and one thing I am finding is that contrary to all the conventional knowledge on LCF, I can NOT lose weight with higher fat. I am menopausal and hypothyroid. I am wondering if JUDDD might be the ticket for me--but of course, I have not yet had much success with dd. I so appreciate everyone's advice! Ouis

01-02-2010, 09:09 AM	#36
aim in Flaworking Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,024 Gallery: aim in Flaworking	how much have you guys lost with Juddd-ing?

01-02-2010, 09:27 AM	#39
aim in Flaworking Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,024 Gallery: aim in Flaworking	that is great-Redeemed!

01-02-2010, 09:57 AM	#40
seoulgrlsara Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 83 Gallery: seoulgrlsara Stats: sw: 223 cw: 204 gw: 185 by July 20 WOE: Weight Watchers Start Date: Feb 1/10 at 223 pounds	I've only been Juddding since monday, and I weighed in this morning after a down day just for fun at 216. On monday I was 223.

01-02-2010, 10:26 AM	#41
ouizoid Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,920 Gallery: ouizoid Stats: 225/165/145 WOE: JUDDD	Wow SG--that is amazing! Here is another question--I work out most days--how do you deal with that on a DD? Does it make you hungrier?

01-02-2010, 10:58 AM	#43
nitenurse Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 2,075 Gallery: nitenurse Stats: 290-/(230-229)/160 WOE: Atkins/PP/ JUDDD /IF/Fast 5 Start Date: 1972	Ouiz-I lost 20 lbs June-August, then went off it for a month, tried a different plan for another month, and then spent the next couple months on JUDDD getting back to where I was in August, then lost 5 lbs more Nov & Dec. Total for 6 months was 25#. I have been on LowCarb forever, since 1972. and it was working well for maintainence but not so much for weight loss, always on a plateau of some kind, JUDDD is the first real progress I have made in the last couple years. I still lowcarb, for health reasons, I am also postmenopausal and thyroid issues. If I can average a pound a week I would be estatic. I try to make sure that I get enough protein on both DD and UDs. Less fat on DDs, trying to stay at 500 cals, regular lowcarb on UDs. If you can only do 800 cals on DDs, just be really careful and see what happens???Have you got the book? Have you checked the website for Dr. Johnson to see what cals he recommends for you? When I was first doing this I was having 2 shakes a day and a hamburger patty with lowcarb catsup and onions every DD. Pretty boring but easy and quick.. could also have wrapped that in a lettuce leaf. and had some pickles......Worked for both lowcarb and DD. .Some of the others on this site do better by having solid food, carefully measured for the DDs. For me, the less I have to think about this on DDs the better off I am.

01-02-2010, 12:05 PM	#45
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	EmandM- I, too, would like to know why your doctor doesn't like whey if you can share that information. I think it's best to get my protein from whole foods, and that's why I've been avoiding whey for a while, but with these low calories, I was thinking of adding it again. But I don't want to do anything negative, so I'd really like to know if I should continue to avoid whey. Ouis- You can do JUDDD! I never thought I'd be able to do DDs either (and mine are 400cal or less), but the accomplishment of doing just one really helped me gain a sense of control over food. After you've been doing them for a while (a couple of weeks), I think you'll see what I mean. I see that people have shared their experiences, and I hope you realize that it's important to know what will work for you (it might be trial and error at first). When I started, a lot of people were 'saving' their calories all day for an evening meal. I knew I'd never be able to do that. I need the assurance that I can eat. So I divided my calories into 3 'meals'--obviously, you need to revise your definition of 'meal.' But, as Sara has mentioned, you'd be surprised at the food you can get into a 150 cal. meal. If you read through our threads here, you'll see all sorts of things that we eat and drink. I get through my DDs with my morning coffee (a lot) and gallons of tea throughout the day--I drink both plain so they're free calories and very filling. I am post-menopausal and hypothyroid, and I eat strictly low carb, but I came to JUDDD because in order to lose, I need to keep my calories to <1000 a day. That's too frustrating to do daily, but the alternation of JUDDD gives me days where I can eat 'normally' (i.e., 1400 cal. low carb). I only work out on UDs (which Dr. J advises, too), but others have worked out on DDs. I swim laps, and I've done it on DDs twice (because of schedule problems) and didn't find that it made me any more hungry. By the way, if you're hypothyroid, you might be working at too much if you're doing it daily--at least that's what I've read. I don't do true alternation. I have DDs on M, W, and Fri. for convenience, and I make either Saturday or Sunday a "medium" day to keep my rotation. I started JUDDD at the end of Dec. last year, so I've just completed a year, and I averaged a pound a week (54 total). That is practically miraculous with my compromised metabolism, and I'm a big fan of JUDDD for those like me who simply cannot lose otherwise. It's tough, and if I could lose just eating low carb, I would not be doing JUDDD. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to post. We're all here to support each other.

01-02-2010, 12:18 PM	#48
aim in Flaworking Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,024 Gallery: aim in Flaworking	whew! Thanks Emand for the update WHey shakes are going to be a part of my life with JUDDD i am sure

01-02-2010, 01:11 PM	#49
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Thanks for the update EmandM. I already avoid soy because of my thyroid, and I'd been trying to avoid whey because I try to avoid all processed foods. But I may need the protein, especially for DDs.

01-02-2010, 02:18 PM	#50
ouizoid Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,920 Gallery: ouizoid Stats: 225/165/145 WOE: JUDDD	you guys are so helpful! I have made it thru so far today (it is 2pm) on about 200 cals--just hope I can make it thru the rest of the day. I do need to go back and look at some down days--do we have a recipe page or sticky for that? Do you all count supplements as part of your daily calories? The JUDDD site has me at slightly over 400 cals for my DD. Clearly I am going to have to do something about the half n half in my coffee and my supplements because there go 120 cals right there, erk. Thanks for all the feedback--I am thinking I will hold off on the exercise til tomorrow. Ouis

01-02-2010, 02:45 PM	#51
snaggle Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: seattle Posts: 1,451 Gallery: snaggle WOE: juddd-5:2	Happy new year everyone! Welcome back AIM-- good to have you back. I lost 25 with JUDDD from april til the end of October, but have been fairly off plan since then between vacation, holidays and way too many social obligations. Hubby and I will be starting back strictly on Monday. I have at least kept up with working out and had only gained back 3 lbs last time I checked. Probably up a couple more now. Weigh in Tuesday morning. Ouis- welcome to you too. I have had way better success by just saving all my calories (except for a little milk in my coffee) for dinner. You would be amazed at the good dinners you can create with 300-400 calories. When I first started, I just went for keeping them under 500, but now I find that I can manage with around 350. I usually do down days low carb because it is a more satisfying way to use my limited calories. I still enjoy carbs and try and keep them in moderation on up days, but I have no satiety mechanism when it comes to carbs. I also feel better when I cut out the bad carbs. Glad to see everyone here.

01-02-2010, 03:09 PM	#53
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Ouis Yes, I count the calories in my supplements, but my fish oil seems to be the only one with significant calories. I don't think we have any special place for all our DDs food suggestions. We mainly respond to people, and, quite frankly, a lot of our choices change over time. It's different if you're saving for one meal as Snaggle does, or eating throughout the day as I do most often (although I change at times). My suggestion is to find things you like to eat for DDs because it's difficult enough to control the calories without eating things that are tasteless to you. Keep in mind that you may find that you like things that you never ate before (sardines for me). I'm finding that the nice thing about my small 'meals' is that they help me be satisfied with less food--even on UDs--because I've become used to that portion size. In fact, when I eat a "normal" portion on an UD, I feel as though I'm having a feast!

01-02-2010, 03:14 PM	#54
ouizoid Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,920 Gallery: ouizoid Stats: 225/165/145 WOE: JUDDD	Leo--you bring up a great point--how do you guys DO an up day after a down day? I usually find my appetite quite suppressed by undereating--I imagine not being very hungry tomorrow morning--I know my appetite usually kicks in after a couple of days of low calories, but not usually the second day--do you wait to eat til you are hungry on an up day???

01-02-2010, 03:21 PM	#55
ouizoid Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,920 Gallery: ouizoid Stats: 225/165/145 WOE: JUDDD	by the way--I am really wanting to be hopeful about this--I have not lost weight in more than a year--as a matter of fact the only way i have lost weight in the last three years was the dreaded kimkins--it seems like lowcarb lowfat works, but the weight just POURED back on (I was originally down to 155), so i have been left feeling helpless--I can eat less than 1000 calories for days on end and not budge an ounce--what the hell is up with that? Leo, I do work out a fair amount (3x a week with a trainer)--you think that is further suppressing my thyroid? I should probably get it tested, it has been awhile-- sorry to be so voluble, but I SO need something to work. Ouis

01-02-2010, 03:45 PM	#56
EmandM Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 754 Gallery: EmandM Stats: Maintaining at 114 (5'5" 35 yrs) WOE: JUDDD/Whole foods Start Date: JUDDD start date: Nov. '08	Oius (and anyone else interested) Here is something mamapo posted awhile back and I copied and pasted into Word as I found it so helpful. She used to post here and I don't think she would mind me re-posting her advice: 1) Sticking to your DDs is like therapy - not being able to eat will force you to deal with those issues. You will find yourself working through them. Many of us have. Just make a pact to stick with the DD, on the DD, even when freaking out. Tell yourself "I can emotionally eat all I want tomorrow" and then let yourself go to that place you're afraid to go. Ask yourself what's really wrong, and then take the time to listen to the answer. :-) 2) I deal with the blood sugar thing on DDs too - my hints... a) Save your calories for as long as you can. I do this all the time. My total DD calories are 400. I usually have one meeting a day, so I eat an apple or something like that, which is about 70 calories. It doesn't destroy my DD, it raises my blood sugar, and it helps me function. Always choose high fiber, high water, low calorie. Set a total caloric limit of 1/3 over the course of the day, so you can save 2/3 of your calories for your dinner (more on that in a minute) b) learn your energy cycle and plan your meetings to avoid slumps, if you have control of scheduling. 3) Your night time eating habits are just that - habits. At first I struggled with this, but I found over time it gets better. In the meantime a) Save 2/3 of your total daily calories for dinner. TO fill up before the main shebang, first drink a big glass of water (right before you leave work). Then while you're cooking dinner, start sipping hot tea, coffee, boullion, or broth. Keep sipping while you cook! By the time dinner comes, this will have helped stave hunger. THEN for a first course, eat a big plate of lettuce salad or drink a SF metamucil 'smoothie" made with 1 Tbsp metamucil, ice, and water. This will help fill you for about 20 calories. Then eat a normal dinner - just make the portions small enough that you come in under the limit. Then immediately end dinner with another hot drink. This will definitely help! b) Foods that have nearly no calories and will fill you: metamucil smoothies, shiritaki noodles, lettuce, low carb green veggies like asparagus, green onions, miso soup, egg drop soup. Use all or any of these as fillers along with whatever you're already making. c) This is a tweak, but I've found it works. Count your calories on the calculator like normal, then add extra work outs on DDs and allow yourself to eat that many extra calories. This will allow you to eat more, while yielding a net calorie limit that's the same. I only count this on "extra" workouts that I do on DDs above and beyond my normal routine. I only allow myself to eat the calories AFTER I did the extra workout - no cheating in hopes of working it off later! Life gets in the way too often for 'good intentions. Hope this helps! As for your questions about eating on the UD, I did find my appetite was suppressed after undereating on the DD's. But after I began eating that day it came back. So if I waited until I felt a little hungry I was often waiting until 1:00 or 2:00 on an UD to be hungry and eat. But now I eat shortly after I first get up, and it stimulates my appetite.

01-02-2010, 04:21 PM	#58
ouizoid Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,920 Gallery: ouizoid Stats: 225/165/145 WOE: JUDDD	Very helpful! Thanks!

01-02-2010, 04:40 PM	#59
aim in Flaworking Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,024 Gallery: aim in Flaworking	okay...I was over 500 a bit. Came out to 530 ..I am going to get a way to post my ******. Tomorrow is day. Today I had 1 boiled egg (80) I whey shake(110) with a raw egg(80) and one pint of hot and sour soup.

01-02-2010, 04:45 PM	#60
aim in Flaworking Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,024 Gallery: aim in Flaworking	Total 596 darn...it was more...try again. Tomorrow is an UD...