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Old 01-13-2010, 03:19 PM   #361
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I am really intrigued by this woe, and want to give it a try, combining it with LC (I'm Type II diabetic) and I'm hopeful someone will be willing to give me a little bit of help. Could you please tell me what AWF, and MD stand for? And if anyone is diabetic, do you find that your blood sugar becomes very unstable on the Down Days? Thank you so much for your help!
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Old 01-13-2010, 04:26 PM   #362
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Bill - great story and thanks for sharing. I teach grade 6 and every year the students and I embark on a Random Acts of Kindness week. They do something kind and anonymous for someone in the school (I emphasize that the true act of kindness is doing something because it is kind, not for any reward or aknowledgement. Some things were small (holding the door for someone else) and others were big (baking muffins and dropping them off in another classroom, re-shelving books for the librarian when she was in another class). I guess what we were doing leaked out and so people started posting sticky notes on my door and outside my classroom thanking the students for what they had done. So one note would be from the caretaker saying "thank you to the student who wiped the classroom desks" or from another teacher "thank you to the student who cleaned by blackboard at recess". Even though I hadn't wanted it to be acknowledged, it turned into a really wonderful experience and drew students and staff closer in some way.

What are your top 5 favourite children's books? I love them too. Right now we are engrossed in The Balloon Tree (great illustrations) and Red is Best (cute story which I have read to my girls umpteen times)!
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Hi Doxielove!

The man who posts as "Bill" is diabetic and seems to have no problems with this plan [OK, Bill, now you respond], but some others have had problems and abandoned it. In his book, Dr. Johnson mentions that it might not be appropriate for some diabetics, but I did not follow his explanation because I'm not diabetic myself.

The AWF means "almost water fast" and comes from the fact that a while back some people were doing their DDs as water fasts but others wanted to have coffee with cream or tea during the day, and they called it AWF. Keep in mind that the basic principle that Dr. J espouses is that science shows that you get the same benefit from <500 cal as you do from fasting, so no one should feel that AWF is 'required.'

The MD means "medium day" and it can be used to either change your alternation or keep a regular schedule of DDs and UDs. That's what I do. Since I only have DDs on M, W, F, and I'd like to avoid two consecutive UDs, I try to keep either Saturday or Sunday as a MD. That means that I eat the average of my DD/UD calories--i.e., more than a DD but less than an UD. When I wanted Christmas (a Friday this year) to be an UD, I threw in a MD that week to switch my rotation so that the Friday would be an UD rather than my usual DD.

I hope this is clear, but if it's not, feel free to ask more about this.
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Old 01-13-2010, 04:48 PM   #364
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I am really intrigued by this woe, and want to give it a try, combining it with LC (I'm Type II diabetic) and I'm hopeful someone will be willing to give me a little bit of help. Could you please tell me what AWF, and MD stand for? And if anyone is diabetic, do you find that your blood sugar becomes very unstable on the Down Days? Thank you so much for your help!
Hi Doxie,

Nice to see you over here...I remember seeing you over in the main lobby pretty often.

I second what Leo said...

I believe that diabetes+LC+any plan=YMMV.

I have been doing great on JUDDD (fasting sugars in the 80s and almost never anything over 110 2 hours after a meal). However, I have been eating LC/VLC for a while. Recently, I have been able to seriously increase the veggies in my diet. My ketosis is very "strong" (some would argue that is the wrong word) and I feel better than I have felt in a long time (aside from an unrelated sickness).

Jenny (BloodSugar101) recently tried JUDDD and found it did not work for her. I have utmost respect for Jenny, but she also chooses to eat a lot more carbs than I do, and I think that might have something to do with why the alternation did not work for her.

I think if you are going to try this, you should be prepared to monitor your BG a little more often for a couple of weeks, so you can know exactly what effect the plan has on you.

I hope some of the other folks will chime in with some of the reasons JUDDD has worked for them. The overwhelming result for many of us is re-learning (unlearning?) habits that have caused us problems in the past.

...pull up a chair and stay a while.

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Old 01-13-2010, 05:42 PM   #365
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Bill - great story and thanks for sharing. I teach grade 6 and every year the students and I embark on a Random Acts of Kindness week. They do something kind and anonymous for someone in the school (I emphasize that the true act of kindness is doing something because it is kind, not for any reward or aknowledgement. Some things were small (holding the door for someone else) and others were big (baking muffins and dropping them off in another classroom, re-shelving books for the librarian when she was in another class). I guess what we were doing leaked out and so people started posting sticky notes on my door and outside my classroom thanking the students for what they had done. So one note would be from the caretaker saying "thank you to the student who wiped the classroom desks" or from another teacher "thank you to the student who cleaned by blackboard at recess". Even though I hadn't wanted it to be acknowledged, it turned into a really wonderful experience and drew students and staff closer in some way.

What are your top 5 favourite children's books? I love them too. Right now we are engrossed in The Balloon Tree (great illustrations) and Red is Best (cute story which I have read to my girls umpteen times)!
That is a fantastic project/learning experience for 6th graders (or any graders, but 6 seemed to me to be such a pivotal year...)

I am not sure I can choose "top 5" and the range for kids' books to me includes everything from what Mom called "easy books" to what kids now call "chapter books" (Harry Potter). Many of the books I am going to mention are books that I have given to children of all ages (including people older than me). Here goes:


If You're Afraid of the Dark, Remember the Night Rainbow
--Cooper Edens
Now Is the Moon's Eyebrow--Cooper Edens
Nimby--Jasper Thompkins
The Fall of Freddie the Leaf--Leo Buscaglia
The Geranium on the Windowsill Just Died, But Teacher, You Went Right On--Albert Cullum
Blubber--Judy Blum
Iggy's House--Judy Blum
From the Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankenweiler--E. L. Konigsburg
Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH
--Robert C. O'Brien
Harriet the Spy--Louise Fitzhugh
Miss Hickory--Carolyn Bailey
Sylvester and the Magic Pebble--William Steig
We Are All in the Dumps with Jack and Guy--Maurice Sendak
The Hobbit--J.R.R. Tolkien
The Wolves of Willoughby Chase--Joan Aiken
A Christmas Memory--Truman Capote
Cranberry Thanksgiving--Harry Devlin
A Sound Like Someone Trying not to Make a Sound--John Irving
The Pigman (series)--Paul Zindel
Island of the Blue Dolphins--Scott O'Dell
Cowslip--Betsy Haynes
Where the Lilies Bloom--Bill & Vera Cleaver
Sounder--William Armstrong
Farmer Boy (and everything else by)--Laura Ingalls Wilder
The Lorax--Dr. Seuss
James and the Giant Peach--Roald Dahl
A Friend is Someone who Likes You--Joan Walsh Anglund
Baba Yaga--Ernest Small
A Crowd of Cows--John Graham
The Great Brain--John Fitzgerald
How to Eat Fried Worms--Thomas Rockwell

I hope you're not sorry you asked.

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Old 01-13-2010, 06:31 PM   #366
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Oh Bill, I love your selections. I read The Lorax every year and we write persuasive letters to the editor on how we need to protect the environment and not be so materialistic! My students love it. The Pigman is amazing, but too high for my 6's. I read that to my grade 8's when I taught that level and they loved it. Island of the Blue Dolphins is a great novel for my high 6's and I, too, love that book! I read Blubber, The Hobbit and How to Eat Fried Worms as a kid. Oh, I also loved The Secret of Nimh and I let my students read my copy (the one I had as a kid) and they think that is really cool! lol It was actually the first movie I saw and it scared the bejeezus out of me! I am tres impressed with your list and may check out some of the ones on your list that I haven't read yet. Nimby really rings a bell for me. Is it a book about a cloud?

Hi Doxie and welcome!
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:07 PM   #367
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EmandM My favorite childhood books were the Beezes and Ramona series, and also the Secret Garden.

I will be very busy tomorrow and may not get to post until Friday evening. Happy JUDDDing everyone!

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Old 01-13-2010, 08:40 PM   #368
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Welcome Doxielove. I can't add to the advice you have gotten already from this group, but wish you good luck if you decide to try Juddd.

I was inspired by Bill's awf's and although I did have a cup of coffee with a little half/half (20 calories) I have had nothing else all day. I am really trying to make it through my first fast. I feel fine and am taking a page out of Leo's book and drinking green tea (decaf).
I will definitely have to go to bed early tonight. This is tough.
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Welcome Doxielove. I can't add to the advice you have gotten already from this group, but wish you good luck if you decide to try Juddd.

I was inspired by Bill's awf's and although I did have a cup of coffee with a little half/half (20 calories) I have had nothing else all day. I am really trying to make it through my first fast. I feel fine and am taking a page out of Leo's book and drinking green tea (decaf).
I will definitely have to go to bed early tonight. This is tough.
Wow....I am so proud of you! If you feel good tomorrow, I say try it again, but if you don't feel good...it's not worth it.

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Old 01-13-2010, 10:12 PM   #370
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Hello All,

Snaggle good job on your awf ! I just haven't been able to pull one off in a while. Today is a DD and considerably hard for some reason. Been tempted to turn it into a MD but got through it some how with about 540 cal. so I too will be going to be early tonight, well at least tomorrow I can eat right, Anyway just wanted to say a very hearty welcome to


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Hope everyone made wise decisions today and if not there's always tomorrow, night all.
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Hi everyone...it's been a CRAZY day here in my household. I joined the local gym with my 13 year old daughter. Did the elliptical for 30 minutes today and that was all.
Then delivered my daughters to 3 separate sides of the county for their evening activities and just as I was picking up the first one at the end of the evening, I got a call saying my middle daughter had been hurt. I called dh to go get her and we met at the hospital where she had an x-ray of her hand...no broken bones, just bruised and swollen...it will be fine, but she and another girl ran into a wall and the other little girl got 11 stitches in her forehead. ouch! We got home after midnight and I'm beat....UD today (THANK GOD!) tomorrow I'll do my egg creams probably and that's all. Have a great day tomorrow...I'll probably be on, but am not sure.
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:19 AM   #372
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I'm almost there....

Hi All,

Have been reading all of the recent posts - thanks Bill for the story about the monastary; very spiritual and powerful! Isn't it interesting how we are all greater than the sum of our parts when we come together for a common cause? That's one reason I love this forum so much - it works because we have so many wonderful "parts"...

Just want to check in and say that after my DD yesterday, my weight is now only one pound over my pre-Christmas weight and that my breathing is once again markedly improved! I'm trying to gear up for my "annual" appt with the pulmonary doc and am envisioning a noticeable weight loss and me telling him about this WOE and how it's immensely improved my breathing and being able to use only one medication instead of 3 in the course of a day!
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Yesterday's DD was interesting. I usually aim for about 350 cal and came in at 250. One reason is that I was out and busy for 4 hours. I now know what Kisha means when she's happy that she has evening activities after work on a DD. I was amazed at what a difference it made being away from home and occupied.

In addition, when I came home in the afternoon, I'd planned a protein shake (150 cal), but I realized that I wasn't really hungry, so I waited and had my broth later on. I usually don't think about hunger on a DD--just eat what I've planned. I think this is another "development" of JUDDD for me--actually thinking about whether or not I'm hungry. Usually, when restricting calories my focus has been eating all the food I'm "entitled" to

GrammyPat-
Congratulations on getting back on track! When you mention this to your pulmonary doctor, you might also tell him that Dr. J has done studies with asthma patients that show improvement with JUDDD. I don't know your doctor, but I have some specialists who are very skeptical of any 'new' information I offer them, and it might help that your experience is supported by actual scientific research.
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Wow....busy couple of days and haven't caught up on all the posts here yet. DD today and it should go well as I'm with my Alzheimer's patient all day and can only eat what I've packed in my lunch.....being away from home does help, I agree Leo.

Grammy Pat...glad your breathing is better. I bet your doctor will be pleasantly surprised.

Bill...I had just quickly scanned your posts but so much good thought here and want to go back and really digest it all. I love this board!!

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Good morning everyone...I'm just starting to move around after my late night last night in the emergency room with dd. This morning I will homeschool my very tired little girls, lol and then at 3pm, I have an appt at the gym for orientation with the personal trainer. Tonight, dd#2 who hurt her finger last night has ballet but I think dh will be taking her. I'm still exhausted from yesterday and haven't even started yet. I'm sorry not to be commenting on anything going on on here.....I try to read but it's been more of a skim this week. Hope everyone will forgive me for not participating more. DD for me today. I'm planning the egg creams but will have them later this evening. Hope everyone has a great day!
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Wow Grammy--good for you!

LBishop--How relieving that your daughter is ok!


Leo--I am so fascinated by the mental aspects of this WOE--really, something profound changes, doesn't it--I am particularly interested in the observation of you senior JUDDDers--I have a feeling there is some kind of developmental arc to mental growth on this woe.

I was another two pounds down today--I think that is something like 4 pounds in the last 10 days. My DD yesterday was unique in that I had nothing but liquids til dinner--what a revelation that was! I had moments of hunger, but really, they went away and then I felt good--it was definitely easier for me then punctuated eating--it tempts me to try Fast 5 it on my UD's as well--

I am worried about the next 5 days away at my conference--we travel about 10 or more times a year or so to these conferences--it is a national academy of divorce lawyers (DH) and these people like to party and like to eat and expensively too. I do know that just because everyone else is indulging doesn't mean I have to, but it is hard to be exposed to it all so frequently. I am just going to take it a day at a time--I won't be doing any DD's, but I am so wanting to get into the 160's and I am so so close and so so hoping I don't blow it. I am taking heart from everyone's posts that JUDDD is very forgiving. I don't know if I will post at all til next week, but I will try and at least get onto my phone and read about everyone's progress.

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Wow Grammy--good for you!

LBishop--How relieving that your daughter is ok!


Leo--I am so fascinated by the mental aspects of this WOE--really, something profound changes, doesn't it--I am particularly interested in the observation of you senior JUDDDers--I have a feeling there is some kind of developmental arc to mental growth on this woe.

I was another two pounds down today--I think that is something like 4 pounds in the last 10 days. My DD yesterday was unique in that I had nothing but liquids til dinner--what a revelation that was! I had moments of hunger, but really, they went away and then I felt good--it was definitely easier for me then punctuated eating--it tempts me to try Fast 5 it on my UD's as well--

I am worried about the next 5 days away at my conference--we travel about 10 or more times a year or so to these conferences--it is a national academy of divorce lawyers (DH) and these people like to party and like to eat and expensively too. I do know that just because everyone else is indulging doesn't mean I have to, but it is hard to be exposed to it all so frequently. I am just going to take it a day at a time--I won't be doing any DD's, but I am so wanting to get into the 160's and I am so so close and so so hoping I don't blow it. I am taking heart from everyone's posts that JUDDD is very forgiving. I don't know if I will post at all til next week, but I will try and at least get onto my phone and read about everyone's progress.

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Ouis, maybe you can try Fast 5 at the conference if most of the social eating is done in the evening, you can just wait and then you won't feel like you stick out cause you're not eating...you can go ahead and just have your meals. Might be harder to combine it with JUDDD but if you Fast 5, you shouldn't have quite the negative results as you would. Either way, enjoy your time away with your hubby! JUDDD is very forgiving and you will be able to undo any damage pretty quickly once you're back!
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Great job Grammy Pat getting off that holiday weight.

Ouis-I think Leisa's idea of doing fast five at your conference could be a good approach. I don't travel for business anymore, but I remember it was always bad news for my diet.
Good luck- stay the course.

I managed to get through my dd as an awf, or at least what I will consider an awf since I just had water, tea, coffee and 1 tb half/half. It was hard and I am not sure I will do it again soon. I was hungry and woke up a couple of times last night. I was extra ravenous at breakfast today and ate more than usual, so I am thinking that I should just stick with trying to keep my downs low. I have been averaging around 400 cals, so maybe I will shoot for 350 next week. I am worried because I have another 50th bday party tomorrow and a dinner thing saturday, so I plan to try and do fast five tomorrow and just keep Sat. lower than my usual ups.
The weight is not exactly dropping off. At this rate it will take me a full month at least to get back to my pre-vacation weight.
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I agree that trying to only eat an evening meal (if that's the best one) might be a good approach. I've found that at conferences, it's relatively easy to skip breakfast--and often lunch as well. If the lunch is part of the conference, then I'd eat as little as possible. One thing I've noticed is that NO ONE notices what I'm eating (or not eating).

As I've mentioned, I have a 2-week cruise coming up next month that terrifies me in terms of food, but I was reading recently about "being good to yourself." I realize that for me that means eating carefully, not indulging in 'junk,' etc. Think about being good to yourself at this conference rather than denying yourself.

Before retirement, I was an English professor, and I truly think that the language we use in self-talk is important in terms of subsequent behavior. If I talk about 'being good to myself' in terms of my food choices, I'm more likely to have a positive experience than if I worry about "not eating too much."
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I'm BACK!

I'M BACK! Seven actual days of jury duty plus the weekend in between. It was a VERY good experience and I must say I feel very good about our justice system right now.

I took a little mini JUDD vacation (Jury-Cation) meaning I stuck great with my low carb eating but only did one true DD during the time period with a couple of MDs and the rest UDs. Weight the same this morning as my sig and when I last posted so no harm done

I'm going for DD today and it should be okay since I'm not carbed up or anything so hunger should be managable. Probably just eating tuna, a coupla eggs and some green beans.

I missed you guys! I'm going to *try* to read back y'all have been busy!
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I usually don't think about hunger on a DD--just eat what I've planned. I think this is another "development" of JUDDD for me--actually thinking about whether or not I'm hungry. Usually, when restricting calories my focus has been eating all the food I'm "entitled" to

This is my problem now. Physically, I think I could do a WF or an AWF. Or even eat far less than my allocated DD calories. But, I ALWAYS eat every bite of food I am entitled to (as in if I have 10 cals left I will have that pickle)! lol I am going to work on this. It's funny, because on UD's, I eat to hunger and satisfaction, but on DD's my psychology is different.

LBishop - I am glad your DD's are ok! Scary!

Kisha! BACK! We missed you. Glad you are feeling good about the justice system!

Snaggle - congrats on the AWF! How are you feeling?

Bill - I am a super bookworm too! I was reading Bronte (Jane Eyre) and Dickens with my dad in elementary school! What I didn't understand historically, he would explain to me. These are some of my favourite childhood memories and why I read to my two girls each night (even if I want to hide some of the books as I've read them over 100 times)!
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My dds go best when I do liquid things, like shakes and soups, at least until evening, and sometimes all day.
My insides are so happy when I give them a break, instead of cramming a whole bunch of solid food down the chute, I hate to disturb it on the dds.lol.
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Thank you to everyone for making me feel so welcome, and a special thank you to Leo41 and Billb for explaining JUDDD in more detail to me. As a type II I choose to eat under 30 grams of carbs per day, more often under 20. I just can't go any higher and control my blood sugar.

I love the list of children's books - I teach 4th grade and love hearing about good book choices. I would rather read than almost anything! I really think I'm going to like this board...

(PS - Because I'm going out of town this weekend, I'm going to start with my first DD on the proverbial Monday...)
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Egg creams rock!! My whole family loves them including the kids. The raw eggs might freak some people out, but I have been doing egg creams for years and it's never bothered me. The one I use most often is this one. I normally eyeball everything so I am going to try and give measurements.

3 eggs
2 tablespoons 1/2 and 1/2
1 tablespoon cream cheese
1/2 tablespoon cocoa powder
ice
stevia to taste

The kids like when I throw 1/2 a banana or so and that's really good. I also like to put a dollup of whipped cream.

Blend in blender! Very creamy and tasty!

The variations I have used are coconut oil instead of cream cheese, maybe different fruits.
how many cals for this one?
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In the past year, I've fasted totally (except for black coffee and tea) on DDs only twice and then because I didn't feel like eating--i.e., I didn't do it as a plan. However, both times I found myself hungrier on the following UD and eating more than usual. I think Bill mentioned that while he was fasting his calories were the same, and I think the same thing happened to me--I ate more on the UD to compensate for the lack of calories with the fast.

That's why I don't try to fast; it's enough trouble making sure that I keep to my DD limit. And I've been finding it much easier NOT to overeat on UDs if I get at least 350 cal on my DDs. I'm also afraid that if I 'push it' by trying to get to 0 calories on my DD, I'll eventually cave in completely and fail to do the DD.

We all have to find works best for us. Caramel had a great run with doing an AWF every Monday, but I don't think that's for me.

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Keep in mind that for those of us who gain much more quickly than we lose, not gaining is an accomplishment in itself. And especially with jury duty, as my memory is of a lot of down time with people snacking all around me--and going out to lunch being the center of the day!

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Glad you're going to give this a try. I do JUDDD low carb, and I really think it helps control the hunger on DDs. Your decision to begin on Monday is a wise one because as you may know from reading our posts, we often have to 'adjust' for the social events on weekends.
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This woe interests me, and I have bought the book but haven't read completely. :blush:
Question: I exercise every day - (walk/bike 5 miles). On the DD's, I am supposed to eat 455 cals. So technically could I eat 955 (I burn 500 cals walking the 5 miles--WATP) so that my net cals are 455? or how does that work? TIA!
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YES thats really how I feel about it! Tons of downtime tons of snacking (going on around me). I'm happy to be even with where I was before jury duty esp. because I had the whole weekend at home. I only left the house once last weekend! I'm normally out and about alot but something got into me and I stayed home reading, watching tv and generally lazing about.

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This woe interests me, and I have bought the book but haven't read completely. :blush:
Question: I exercise every day - (walk/bike 5 miles). On the DD's, I am supposed to eat 455 cals. So technically could I eat 955 (I burn 500 cals walking the 5 miles--WATP) so that my net cals are 455? or how does that work? TIA!
Hey you, welcome! I know this has been discussed but I cant remember the answer. LOL. We went way into this months and months ago maybe may last year? Hopefully someone comes along who remembers
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how many cals for this one?
Less than 400. I usually calculate it as 350 depending on what I add. It might have 5 carbs or so without the banana and it's very filling.
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Joanne- welcome to the group. As to your question, you do not get to add the full amount of the calories burned. The way I would figure in the additional calories for your
exercise day is to just use the calculator set to a higher activity level than the one you usually would use. The activity level setting already builds in an additional calorie burn. Another way to go would just be to add 20% of the additional calories burned to your daily total on down days where you work out.
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